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On June 12 2012 05:09 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:30 BrownBear wrote:On June 11 2012 04:14 Radfield wrote:
Palmar, do you think that RNG lynching Day 1 gives town a better chance to win the game? On June 11 2012 04:14 Palmar wrote:
yes. On June 11 2012 04:17 Palmar wrote:
And I didn't think you were dumb enough to not understand why and how. These two posts are enough for me to throw a preliminary vote on Palmar. I don't understand why he is witholding the information of why he exactly thinks RNG is giving town a better chance, and I in fact disagree with him for reasons stated above. Caveat, of course, is I haven't fully read past page 8, and have skimmed the rest due to time constraints so this may change. ##Vote: PalmarInternets are down, posting from a friend's house. They should be fixed tomorrow so I can post more then. On the bright side, new keyboard! Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:06 BrownBear on Voting Thread wrote:
ohshit this exists.
##Vote: Palmar So, you only read up to page 8 and voted Palmar based on that stupid reason (that he hid information about the RNG). So..I assume that now you've read the rest of the thread....yet you still vote Palmar?
I'm in the middle of posting something larger. Jesus christ you guys move fast.
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Well, you know. 3 hours to go and all that.
I will be back in about 1 hour and 30 minutes before lynch time.
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On June 12 2012 04:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would not like a BB lynch simply because the last few games I've seen him play, he's posted a few times day 1 then been modkilled. iirc he's been town every single time so his inactivity isn't a tell. Wiggles I need to reread.
On June 11 2012 14:30 BrownBear wrote:
Internets are down, posting from a friend's house. They should be fixed tomorrow so I can post more then. On the bright side, new keyboard!
Hope that answers your question. Sorry I haven't been too active.
On June 11 2012 18:19 Palmar wrote:
@BrownBear, The information I withheld is crucial to the execution of the plan, as I explained above. You seem to be going after a pretty easy reason to lynch someone, is this because you're being lazy or cause you're scum?
I hate plans that rely on "withholding information from town" because it casts doubt on the guy who's doing the withholding. Which would be you. It's great you have this awesome plan and all, but as far as I'm concerned, you could be scum trying to mislead the town, you could be a townie with good intentions but a shitty plan... any plan we take should be out in the open for people to discuss, dissect, and modify, because even the act of discussion around the plan forces scum players to come out into the open and argue against it (if it's a good plan) or for it (if it's a bad plan). The reason PMs aren't in this game is so that information stays in the thread. You're trying to keep us in the dark. For what reason?
Also, you still haven't addressed the issues I have with the inherent shittiness of RNG lynches. If you did post about it and I missed it, could you enlighten me?
Palmar, I get that you like to play aggressive and by your own rules, but everything you've done so far this game makes me suspicious of you. Not to mention you've insulted me directly several times. As far as I'm concerned you're a cancerous influence on this town, and we need to either lynch you, or decide that you're just frustrating townie and ignore you.
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On June 12 2012 05:10 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:09 gonzaw wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 BrownBear wrote:On June 11 2012 04:14 Radfield wrote:
Palmar, do you think that RNG lynching Day 1 gives town a better chance to win the game? On June 11 2012 04:14 Palmar wrote:
yes. On June 11 2012 04:17 Palmar wrote:
And I didn't think you were dumb enough to not understand why and how. These two posts are enough for me to throw a preliminary vote on Palmar. I don't understand why he is witholding the information of why he exactly thinks RNG is giving town a better chance, and I in fact disagree with him for reasons stated above. Caveat, of course, is I haven't fully read past page 8, and have skimmed the rest due to time constraints so this may change. ##Vote: PalmarInternets are down, posting from a friend's house. They should be fixed tomorrow so I can post more then. On the bright side, new keyboard! On June 12 2012 05:06 BrownBear on Voting Thread wrote:
ohshit this exists.
##Vote: Palmar So, you only read up to page 8 and voted Palmar based on that stupid reason (that he hid information about the RNG). So..I assume that now you've read the rest of the thread....yet you still vote Palmar? I'm in the middle of posting something larger. Jesus christ you guys move fast.
Do it quickly, in 15 minutes I'm leaving for uni and I think I'll be back after the deadline (if it's in 3 hours).
Okay, this MZ lynch had no resistance at all, and I'm wary of that.
Grey is more active, and well, he's not doing shit but it seems he's doing that on purpose, and I've read part of his Election filter and apparently it's his thing.
I'll wait until BB says what he has to say. If what he says is not satisfactory I'll vote him, if not I'll vote Wiggles.
Everybody seems to find Wiggles suspicious but nobody seems to do anything about it.
Like I've seen these people find Wiggles suspicious:
-Me
-VE
-Grey
-chaoser (I think)
And some others if I recall correctly; yet he's getting away with it.
I think Wiggles would be a better lynch than MZ
I want more feedback about this, at this point I doubt MZ will flip scum (maybe he could flip SK, but I think it's kind of unlikely as well).
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On June 12 2012 04:01 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wait, so you seriously think I'm scum based on my reaction to your retarded "scumslip" post? My role PM doesn't even SAY ANYTHING about townie/y - my claim was a joke based on the fact that I've been claiming early the last few games.
##Vote: MZ
I enjoy these little talks guys. It was sarcasm (lol I can't believe you guys keep falling for it). Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 03:47 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote:
@Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there?
Radfield is still disappeared...interesting. What is it that I should comment on? Can you stop being an asshole and acting as if I'm not playing the game wtf is this shit, I've commented on just about everyone and everything in the game, why do people keep saying I'm not playing. fuck off. You didn't post any thoughts about Greymist nor Wiggles, and the discussion pertaining those 2, for instance
@Meapak: I don't see you doing shit, I may end up supporting your lynch after all. All these past few posts of you have been you bickering against Palmar and other people and not contributing at all.
Wiggles said he was afk. I don't condone shit like that (I think it's cheating to explain your in-game actions with out of game actions), lynching him would basically be a lurker lynch.
If we had nothing better, then sure.
I think you're more likely to be scum than Greymist gonz, and thus I don't want to lynch greymist right now.
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@BB: You've read the rest of the game right? What are your thoughts on grey, MZ, and Wiggles, and why would you want to lynch Palmar instead of those 3?
Why do you find Palmar suspicious because of some stupid RNG thing? Why don't you look at the cases that have been brought up in the thread?
You were the one that wanted to "spark discussion", yet now you are dampering it by continuing to argue about some useless RNG thing
I'll change my vote to you until then:
##Unvote: Greymist
##Vote: BrownBear
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On June 12 2012 05:15 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, this MZ lynch had no resistance at all, and I'm wary of that.
This is the reason I haven't voted MZ. The chief person driving the lynch appears to be MZ himself.
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Radfield is still fucking missing, and he still hasn't posted any real contributions.
When I asked him for his thoughts about Grey, Wiggles, Palmar, etc, he said "It's too early to talk about this"...but now that it is not in fact "too early to talk about this" he's not here.
Fuck.
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On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
I hate plans that rely on "withholding information from town" because it casts doubt on the guy who's doing the withholding. Which would be you. It's great you have this awesome plan and all, but as far as I'm concerned, you could be scum trying to mislead the town, you could be a townie with good intentions but a shitty plan... any plan we take should be out in the open for people to discuss, dissect, and modify, because even the act of discussion around the plan forces scum players to come out into the open and argue against it (if it's a good plan) or for it (if it's a bad plan). The reason PMs aren't in this game is so that information stays in the thread. You're trying to keep us in the dark. For what reason?
This is a dramatic misinterpretation of what I did, no information is hidden, the plan just requires people to use their brains, just like LAL which is basically an accepted policy. Did you even bother to read my explanation?
On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
Also, you still haven't addressed the issues I have with the inherent shittiness of RNG lynches. If you did post about it and I missed it, could you enlighten me?
If you did not understand it from my explanation, you're probably not going to get it. I explained pretty well why they're good, but only if people use their heads, which is rare.
On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
Palmar, I get that you like to play aggressive and by your own rules, but everything you've done so far this game makes me suspicious of you. Not to mention you've insulted me directly several times. As far as I'm concerned you're a cancerous influence on this town, and we need to either lynch you, or decide that you're just frustrating townie and ignore you.
So you're fine with killing me even if I'm town cause you don't like how I play? I have only insulted you once when I called you "fucking useless so far", but for someone that just claimed to have been inactive due to out of game shit, I think it's a pretty fair portrayal.
Or are you going to argue that you've been helpful?
several times seems a bit dramatic.
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On June 12 2012 05:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 04:01 gonzaw wrote:On June 12 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wait, so you seriously think I'm scum based on my reaction to your retarded "scumslip" post? My role PM doesn't even SAY ANYTHING about townie/y - my claim was a joke based on the fact that I've been claiming early the last few games.
##Vote: MZ
I enjoy these little talks guys. It was sarcasm (lol I can't believe you guys keep falling for it). On June 12 2012 03:47 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote:
@Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there?
Radfield is still disappeared...interesting. What is it that I should comment on? Can you stop being an asshole and acting as if I'm not playing the game wtf is this shit, I've commented on just about everyone and everything in the game, why do people keep saying I'm not playing. fuck off. You didn't post any thoughts about Greymist nor Wiggles, and the discussion pertaining those 2, for instance
@Meapak: I don't see you doing shit, I may end up supporting your lynch after all. All these past few posts of you have been you bickering against Palmar and other people and not contributing at all. Wiggles said he was afk. I don't condone shit like that (I think it's cheating to explain your in-game actions with out of game actions), lynching him would basically be a lurker lynch. If we had nothing better, then sure. I think you're more likely to be scum than Greymist gonz, and thus I don't want to lynch greymist right now.
Wiggles has posted some things that were scummy (in my opinion). Check my filter for them, or just check his filter.
Do you have any specific thoughts on that behaviour of his? Or do you think it's irrelevant.
Do you think I'm scum, or just that I'm more likely to be scum than greymist? (you can think both of us are town in the 2nd case).
What do you think of BrownBear? Would you be willing to lynch him now?
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Yeah, Radfield #1 Lurker bro.
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This game sucks, everyone is trolling me or being scum.
I don't think anything wiggles said is irrelevant. He's usually pretty easy to figure out when he's scum so... dunnoh. I'm not sure about you as I haven't played with you enough to know the difference between your scum and town play, all I know is your scumplay is pretty good.
I would be willing to lynch BB now though, but I prefer meapak.
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Okay BrownBear you are clearly active, you know I'm leaving in a few minutes yet you refuse to answer or even defend yourself (most likely so then I leave, you keep lurking and the lynch is on MZ or something).
It seems you are doing this on purpose.
Everybody, I'd want you to switch your vote to BrownBear.
His first posts were him discussing random fluff about the RNG deal; but again everybody did this.
Then he posted this:
On June 11 2012 03:39 BrownBear wrote:
and radfield, who ninja'd me to a certain extent.
so, let's spark some real discussion. chaoser, what do you have against ace this game. question mark goes here.
He wanted to "spark some real discussion", yet he's been absent since then.
Not only that, he wants to "spark some real discussion", yet now that he's active and real discussion did take place, he doesn't care about it and just dwells back on the RNG thing, failing to comment on anything else.
Not only that, his FoS on Palmar is stupid as fuck. You don't base your D1 vote on someone's opinion on RNG/policy lynches/etc, specially if you have millions of things to take into account about said player, like Palmar's FoS and vote on MZ for instance.
Yet BB completely fails to acknowledge Palmar's behaviour at all and just focuses on Palmar "withholding information about the benefits of RNG".
Seriously?
Again, he fails to comment on the Greymist or MZ issue at all; he only said that he wouldn't vote MZ because he agrees with me that the MZ lynch has no resistance at all.
However he doesn't comment on it at all.
Again, take notice how now he disappeared again.
Please lynch him, at least if you guys don't want to lynch Wiggles, I prefer him getting lynched over Meapak
Lynch BrownBear please
Okay I'm leaving
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I'd lynch Radfield for lurking like fuck in a serious game like this as well.
...but well if he's town he'll get killed on N1 and if he lives after D2 he's automatically scum, right? (that's how Radfield works...right?
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On June 12 2012 05:17 gonzaw wrote:
@BB: You've read the rest of the game right? What are your thoughts on grey, MZ, and Wiggles, and why would you want to lynch Palmar instead of those 3?
Why do you find Palmar suspicious because of some stupid RNG thing? Why don't you look at the cases that have been brought up in the thread?
You were the one that wanted to "spark discussion", yet now you are dampering it by continuing to argue about some useless RNG thing
I'll change my vote to you until then:
##Unvote: Greymist
##Vote: BrownBear
You see, I'm not dampering discussion. I'm pointing out that Palmar is. I'm not sure why you don't understand this.
Let me throw up a few examples.
On June 11 2012 06:14 Palmar wrote:
Just for the record, I think MZ failed already and I'd be willing to lynch him.
Piggybacking on Greymist's thoughts on RNG to express your own thoughts while making sure you're not the original argument for the idea is terrible.
Let's do this.
Post contributes nothing. Great, MZ "failed" by agreeing with Greymist? How about you explain some more exactly why and how he failed? How about you provide a logical, well constructed argument about why Greymist and MZ are "wrong" rather than just say "welp, they don't agree with me, they fail, LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH".
On June 11 2012 19:34 Palmar wrote:
you're all bad, inactive and boring.
So instead of complaining about it, why don't you change it bro?
On June 12 2012 01:42 Palmar wrote:
I would have to re-read chaoser to form an opinion on him, Radfield has been fairly towny which is why I was annoyed at him for being thick. Too many people are just content with not doing anything though.
"Thick" is not an accusation many would say about Radfield, particularly players who have actually played with him. There's a reason scum target him early on rather than let him play entire games. I think he's just as confused as I am - he wants to know your reasoning for supporting RNGs. I do too. Let's hear them?
On June 12 2012 02:03 Palmar wrote:
a) screw you for suggesting I'm not playing
b) I'm perfectly aware what you were responding to, that doesn't make what I said untrue.
This is the response of someone who's actually worried that they look like they aren't playing. If Palmar were playing and were secure in this fact, why wouldn't he just link to a bunch of his earlier posts where he was playing and contributing? That would be a much more airtight defense than a simple "screw you". Also, Palmar's too smart to mistake the volume of posts he's posted for actual, meaningful contribution. He's posted like 25 times: I count maybe 2 or 3 of those that are actually useful to town. This is a classic scum tactic (I used it in Mafia XXX, if you're curious) where volume makes a player look active, while clever words or subtle rehashes of earlier topics disguise the fact that none of the posts have much meaningful substance to them.
On June 12 2012 03:45 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 02:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 12 2012 02:03 Palmar wrote:
a) screw you for suggesting I'm not playing
b) I'm perfectly aware what you were responding to, that doesn't make what I said untrue. lol what you said is untrue. Direct quote: Now, about VisceraEyes, there isn't a case against him yet . So does hesmyrr not count? I await with baited breath for you to explain to me how it doesn't count... probably should add in a reference to how stupid I am as well eh? When I say "there isn't a case on X" it means that I don't think there is a valid case to be put forth against that person. For example BrownBear and Ace, while both completely fucking useless so far in the game, neither has a valid case against him. That won't change even if some internet warrior writes a "case" on them.
Direct attack on me and Ace aside, isn't the point of mafia to build cases on people? A weak case is still a case, saying it isn't is stifling town discussion. If you think a case is weak, rather than dismiss it out of hand, you should maybe point out the weaknesses in it or the holes in logic. This builds town cohesion and stronger cases.
On June 12 2012 03:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote:
@Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there?
Radfield is still disappeared...interesting. What is it that I should comment on? Can you stop being an asshole and acting as if I'm not playing the game wtf is this shit, I've commented on just about everyone and everything in the game, why do people keep saying I'm not playing. fuck off.
Direct attack against another town player (gonzaw) trying to shut down a valid point: Palmar ISN'T PLAYING THIS GAME. He's trying to appear that he is, and he's trying to tie up town conversations he doesn't like by directly flaming the people making them, but he is not contributing anything meaningful of his own.
Now, some people may say "oh, that's how Palmar plays lol" but that shouldn't be acceptable. Like I said earlier - his behavior is a cancer to the town. We need to either cut it out or ignore it.
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On June 12 2012 05:30 gonzaw wrote:Okay BrownBear you are clearly active, you know I'm leaving in a few minutes yet you refuse to answer or even defend yourself (most likely so then I leave, you keep lurking and the lynch is on MZ or something). It seems you are doing this on purpose. Everybody, I'd want you to switch your vote to BrownBear. His first posts were him discussing random fluff about the RNG deal; but again everybody did this. Then he posted this: Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 03:39 BrownBear wrote:
and radfield, who ninja'd me to a certain extent.
so, let's spark some real discussion. chaoser, what do you have against ace this game. question mark goes here. He wanted to "spark some real discussion", yet he's been absent since then. Not only that, he wants to "spark some real discussion", yet now that he's active and real discussion did take place, he doesn't care about it and just dwells back on the RNG thing, failing to comment on anything else. Not only that, his FoS on Palmar is stupid as fuck. You don't base your D1 vote on someone's opinion on RNG/policy lynches/etc, specially if you have millions of things to take into account about said player, like Palmar's FoS and vote on MZ for instance. Yet BB completely fails to acknowledge Palmar's behaviour at all and just focuses on Palmar "withholding information about the benefits of RNG". Seriously? Again, he fails to comment on the Greymist or MZ issue at all; he only said that he wouldn't vote MZ because he agrees with me that the MZ lynch has no resistance at all. However he doesn't comment on it at all. Again, take notice how now he disappeared again. Please lynch him, at least if you guys don't want to lynch Wiggles, I prefer him getting lynched over Meapak Lynch BrownBear pleaseOkay I'm leaving
Seriously, you have no case on me other than "he tries to lynch Palmar w/out a case" which I have just put down.
I'm sorry I tried to build a complete case against Palmar and wasn't able to finish it before you left. Hopefully you'll come back, read it, and understand.
My vote stays on Palmar.
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I still wanna lynch Radfield. *shrug*
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On June 12 2012 05:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
I hate plans that rely on "withholding information from town" because it casts doubt on the guy who's doing the withholding. Which would be you. It's great you have this awesome plan and all, but as far as I'm concerned, you could be scum trying to mislead the town, you could be a townie with good intentions but a shitty plan... any plan we take should be out in the open for people to discuss, dissect, and modify, because even the act of discussion around the plan forces scum players to come out into the open and argue against it (if it's a good plan) or for it (if it's a bad plan). The reason PMs aren't in this game is so that information stays in the thread. You're trying to keep us in the dark. For what reason?
This is a dramatic misinterpretation of what I did, no information is hidden, the plan just requires people to use their brains, just like LAL which is basically an accepted policy. Did you even bother to read my explanation?
As I stated in that post, I could not find this so-called information. Either you've hidden it well, or it doesn't exist.
On June 12 2012 05:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
Also, you still haven't addressed the issues I have with the inherent shittiness of RNG lynches. If you did post about it and I missed it, could you enlighten me? If you did not understand it from my explanation, you're probably not going to get it. I explained pretty well why they're good, but only if people use their heads, which is rare.
And it would take you maybe thirty fucking seconds to put it up in a quote, say "HERE IT IS BROWNBEAR, NOW SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP", and be done with it. You have not done this still. Either you're too stubborn to help other people play the game, or you are still vainly trying to hide the fact that no explanation exists.
On June 12 2012 05:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
Palmar, I get that you like to play aggressive and by your own rules, but everything you've done so far this game makes me suspicious of you. Not to mention you've insulted me directly several times. As far as I'm concerned you're a cancerous influence on this town, and we need to either lynch you, or decide that you're just frustrating townie and ignore you. So you're fine with killing me even if I'm town cause you don't like how I play? I have only insulted you once when I called you "fucking useless so far", but for someone that just claimed to have been inactive due to out of game shit, I think it's a pretty fair portrayal. Or are you going to argue that you've been helpful? several times seems a bit dramatic.
On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
and we need to either lynch you, or decide that you're just frustrating townie and ignore you.
On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
and we need to either lynch you, or decide that you're just frustrating townie and ignore you.
On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
and we need to either lynch you, OR DECIDE THAT YOU'RE JUST FRUSTRATING TOWNIE AND IGNORE YOU.
What part of this did you not understand?
Also, you can argue I've been less active and less helpful than others in the game, but there are ways to say it without using the words "pretty fucking useless". That's just needless flaming, hurts my feelings, and is unwelcome.
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On June 12 2012 05:27 Palmar wrote:
This game sucks, everyone is trolling me or being scum.
I don't think anything wiggles said is irrelevant. He's usually pretty easy to figure out when he's scum so... dunnoh. I'm not sure about you as I haven't played with you enough to know the difference between your scum and town play, all I know is your scumplay is pretty good.
I would be willing to lynch BB now though, but I prefer meapak.
You're trolling everyone, contributing nothing, being incendiary, flaming, suppressing discussion, and getting insanely butthurt every time someone disagrees with you.
And you wonder why people are yelling at you.
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