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TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 17 2012 22:21 GMT
#341
Well I'm a touch hesitant. My last scum read didn't go too well. But I'll make a post if I come back and I'm still alive (I don't know when the deadline is.) I have to go out for about an hour and a half or so.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 17 2012 22:21 GMT
#342
On April 18 2012 07:15 Pure-SC2 wrote:

Also TheRavensName, Lorant and BlueyD. You really need to contribute more, including some of your own analysis and scum reads. Spend the time to read peoples filters and make your own opinions.

I want to say right now that pure pretty much said my thoughts right here. These are three out of the 4 players that i find most suspicious right now.
I'll be voting immedietely after deadline so you can see where i stand. assuming i live, of course.
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 17 2012 22:32 GMT
#343
I wouldn't say things like that Nova. It gives Mafia a good idea who to avoid killing but can still get lynched. Theres about six people that are safe railroads at this point. Though I think at least two of them would be streching, and it would be your 3rd and my suspect on your 4th.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 17 2012 22:58 GMT
#344
In case of my death, my top four suspicions in order are 1. Lazer 2. TheRavensName 3. BlueyD/Lorant.
My best town read is Pure.
I think a Lazer lynch would be the best option if i died tonight.
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
BlueyD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada437 Posts
April 17 2012 22:58 GMT
#345
Nova said: As soon as i saw Macheji post, i immediately assumed he was voting. then when i realized he wasnt, i stratee getting more woreied, which my other posts refect.

1. Macheji hadn’t voted, surely you saw that, so I can only imagine your post means “I thought he’d vote really soon.”
2.
I'll read the chat and make a vote, if i have time maybe i'll also try to make a case agaist someone if i see fit.

4 minutes to read the thread and vote, and he was considering maybe making a case? The guy had no idea that the lynch was (we thought) so close. “I’ll vote really soon” was obviously not in his list of priorities, and I can't see how you would think it was. Let's just ask him:
To macheji: When did you think the lynch was before you read “vote now!” in the thread?

3. Back to Nova, whose more worried posts share one particularity: They both happen after what we thought was the deadline, when votes are typically not counted anymore.

That’s not a convincing reason to me at all. Sounds a bit scummy to me.

On Lazer and Nova: Suspicious of both at this point, probably at LEAST one scum between the two. Not sold on both being scum though, I think there’s a good possibility of scum + fool buddy here – I say we look to see if 1 the 2 was trying to buddy up with the other before the connection was pointed out, and lynch that one first. Town don’t try to buddy up because they don’t want to fall on a scum. Scum know their buddy is town.

I wanted to read both filters and compare but I gave up for the moment, didn’t have this much time this afternoon. STOP SPAMMING NOVA. You have 6 pages of posts already… -_-

On Daymor: On the good side, he’s contributing, but I’m not a big fan of how he changed his stance on both lynch vs no-lynch and Nova vs oneplus, though he did have reasons that don’t seem too far-fetched both times. I’m going to say cautiously leaning town for now, but if I die you guys have to watch for more flip-flops as I’m doing now and see if they mean anything.

To Lorant:Council is stupid or scummy, I don’t see the point in it, I don’t see the point in even talking about it besides wasting space. It can’t make people more logical than now, it can only make them more sheepish. You need to tell us why you feel Pure is scummy, by the way. ‘Gut feeling’ won’t do.

A lot of good stuff in Pure’s and Daymor’s posts already, so I tried to go where they didn’t.

Gotta go right after the flip if I want to catch the next bus back home, will see if I can analyze some more later tonight.
Zealot Chaaaaarge!
Lorant
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Hungary112 Posts
April 17 2012 22:59 GMT
#346
Lorants statement Night1: + Show Spoiler +
Instead of preparing a statement I made this super cool mix today, check it out and I'm sorry.


Last words in case of a successful hit on me + Show Spoiler +
Kiss my ass, scum. Council of 4 forever, biatch!


Good Night
"Framer framing a GF would return him as mafia" - this is pretty funny.
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
April 17 2012 22:59 GMT
#347
I'm not sure what is going to happen as we flip into the next day, so I'm going get my reads out there so everyone is clear on my stance and they can do what they want with it.

My case against Nova: I still believe in it, but he has done a good job defending himself once he changed his approach, and has enough support that he's not likely to get lynched at this point. I will be highlighting any further suspicious behaviour from Nova as I see it. Qudos to Nova for adjusting his approach.

Putting my case against Nova aside for now....


The case against Lazermonkey

I won't be as detailed with this as I was in my case against Nova. However I will state the main reasons why I find him suspicious.

Soft support of Nova with no stated reasoning
- Agrees with Nova's stance on Solohan without stating any reasoning. This in itself isn't condemning, but was what initially had me noting him as suspicious.

Lazermonkey's vote flip following my case against Nova (which included a link to him):
- This ia stereotypical scum behaviour. Once a link to Nova was raised (regardless of whether Nova is scum or town), Lazer flipped on him very quickly, going from supporting him, to voting for him to be lynched.
- During the post he made where he switched vote to Nova, he stated he thought Nova's early game was good - then why is he voting for him?
- He made sure to state the possibility that I might be scum, even though he liked my case against Nova. He is positioning himself to be able to play this out either way, which I find suspicious.
- What is his motivation for this statement?
Atm I think the most interesting lynch would in fact be Nova. Not because he is confirmed scum in any way, but because of the possible information we could be given. If he flips town, we really need to think about Pure intention with his post.

- If you are looking for scum like behaviour, this is it. It's not some random read based on gut feel, this is based on how he reacted when the pressure of being linked to someone who had a case made against them.

Leads a lynch vote against oneplus, even after stating he thinks he is a townie
- Some quotes from Lazer about oneplus:
I'm convinced that oneplus is a townie atm. His posts are far too stupid in order to be a scum.

I wasn't even pushing the lynch against him. I even said that I only thought he was a bad townie

- He then leads the vote against oneplus anyway.
- Also makes a connection between oneplus and Lorant as "imo both him and durant is acting really strange" (Durant actually meaning Lorant). This was because Lorant offered to help with oneplus's english, which actually seemed townie to me.

Other than a comment to the admins, his filter has remained completely silent since voting for oneplus.

Lazermonkey has moved to number 1 on my scumlist. Nova is still leaning strong scum for me, and would be my second choice to lynch.
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
April 17 2012 22:59 GMT
#348
The case against Crossfire

Crossfire is 3rd on my scum read at this time, and of the three is my least strongest read. However there are a few things that stand out, so I'm putting them out there.

Switched vote to oneplus to "save" Nova
- This essentially relates to Nova, but I found Crossfire's choice of words suspicious when he flipped his vote to oneplus.
Ugh...this really sucks. I don't think oneplus is scum, but I also don't think nova is scum. Since you have been actively contributing Nova, I am going to vote for oneplus to save you. Sorry, oneplus.


Crossfire's phantom vote at the "original" deadline for day 1
- I found this extremely odd. Right at the original deadline (before the admin realised the mistake and added 2 hours), Crossfire made a post Unvoting and Voting oneplus. (please review this yourself)
- This is after he already has a perfectly formatted, bold post voting for oneplus (made at 5:47 - i.e., 13 minutes earlier)
- Why is this post made? Is it a mistake? Was he meant to unvote oneplus and move it to someone else but messed it up? While I can't make a solid read here it does ring suspicious to me.

What do you think?

His filter has been silent since the end of day 1.
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
April 17 2012 22:59 GMT
#349
Sorry for being afk, I've been really busy these past 24 hours. I believe someone was wondering what was going on with my crazy voting. Basically, I screwed up the voting format twice and wasn't sure if I had to unvote incase the mods thought I was trying to vote too many times. Hopefully I will get the voting format correct during day 2 (if I live through the night).

Because I've been afk for the last 24 hours, I didn't get a chance to read through everyone's filter after all the votes were counted. Right now I will focus on 2 things: this council thing and Nova, since he seems to be the popular one and the person I feel most confident in my read.

Council:
I don't understand how this works because only mafia are allowed to have outside communication, so there is no privacy in this council. Also, I feel this council just divides the town into more factions unnecessarily, which isn't good.

Nova:
I feel that Nova is a loud, opinionated, argumentative townie (no offense Nova). This is evidenced in his abundance of posts, a lot of which seem to be stream of consciousness (not sure I am using that right, but basically spitting out every thought, sometimes many posts consecutively). Because he is also argumentative, he seems to attract the ire of many townsfolk, who misinterpret his actions as having mafia motives.

I'll try to do my filter review on everyone before I go to sleep tonight.
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
April 17 2012 22:59 GMT
#350
@Nova_Terra

On April 17 2012 14:21 Nova_Terra wrote:
Apologies for clutter but i need a third post before school.
At this point i would urge a medic or jailkeeper to think about protecting Pure. As it stands, there are high chances of his death that stem from him making cases, and him tunneling me.


This post is scummy, all it does is add confusion while trying to make it look like you actually care about my fate (regardless of what alignment you are or what you actually think).

If town has a medic or jailkeeper, they will base their decisions on their own reads as they should. No one should be trying to direct them and doing so is a scum tell.

This is scummy and adds confusion because:
- If the medic/jailkeeper read you as scummy (and let's say you are town), that means they would not follow your advice and look to protect someone else so it's achieved nothing other than adding a whole bunch of confusion.
- If the medic/jailkeeper read you as scummy (and you are scummy), that means they would not follow your advice and look to protect someone else so it's achieved nothing other than adding a whole bunch of confusion.
- If the medic/jailkeeper read you as town (and you're actually scum), they will follow your advice while you/mafia take down someone else.
- If the medic/jailkeeper read you as town (and you are town), they will follow your advice while the mafia know you aren't mafia and hit someone else

So what is your motivation for this post?
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
April 17 2012 22:59 GMT
#351
Summary

My scum reads:
Lazermonkey
Nova_Terra (Needs to post more)
Crossfire (Needs to post more)

My null reads:
Therapist (needs to post more)
Macheji (needs to post more)
Solohan50 (needs to post more)
TheRavensName (needs to post more)

My town reads:
Daymor
BlueyD (needs to post more)

Other notes:

I had Lorant leaning town but I'm just not sure about his latest posts. Needs analyisis and we need more people posting.

There is so much lurky behaviour right now. It's a real shame.

"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
April 17 2012 23:01 GMT
#352
EBWOP:

My scum reads:
Lazermonkey (Needs to post more)
Nova_Terra
Crossfire (Needs to post more)
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 23:52:36
April 17 2012 23:04 GMT
#353
Daypost

Crossfire99 sat patiently in his office. He sucked on the cigar hanging from his lips.
“No way those Radfield boys are going to get me…” he thought.



BREAKING NEWS!!!

Anchor Qatol: This just in. On the corner of 5th and 82nd on Liquidia City, gunshots have reportedly been heard being fired in a high rise office building! We now go to our reporter in the field, Incognito, for more information. Incog?
Reporter Incognito: Thank you Qatol. Just moments ago, police received reports of gunshots fired in this office building in Liquidia. No information has officially been released yet, but there are rumors of foul play a foot. The victim? Crossfire99. He was peppered with submachine gun fire from close range as he was sitting in his office. No suspects have been found yet, and the police are openly investigating this murder. Back to you, Qatol.
Anchor Qatol: Thank you Incog. A thrilling story. Up next, Woman Uses Hamburger to Fight Off Mugger. Learn her special Martial Arts techniques, Crouching Cow Hidden Ketchup, at 10:00. Qatol, signing off.
+ Show Spoiler +
Credits to Jitsu for the daypost


Crossfire99 the Vigilante has been killed
It is now Day 2, The Day ends in 48 hours
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
April 17 2012 23:08 GMT
#354
GG. Sucks I got shot night 1 in my first game ever, but such is life. Sorry I couldn't contribute more this past night.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 17 2012 23:09 GMT
#355
Pure, note my word choice when i said i urge a medic or jailkeep to think about protecting you. This is not trying to direct them, this is making sure they know what another townie thinks would be smart so they can add that to their thoughts. ofc if they find me scummy then that will probably be ignored. However, just the thought of a likely protection on you could be enough to keep one of our most pro town players safe, and that was a major purpose of this post.
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 17 2012 23:10 GMT
#356
and it appeas that worked. Bye crossfire
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 17 2012 23:22 GMT
#357
Going to bed, dont expect from me for another 12 hours.
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 00:03:35
April 17 2012 23:54 GMT
#358
I: Crossfire was Vigilante not Townie

+ Show Spoiler +
I thought vigilante and wrote townie sorry. I'm sort of sleep deprived. I had an important exam today which is why I've been a bit of a screwup as your host the last days.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
April 18 2012 00:17 GMT
#359
On April 18 2012 08:04 risk.nuke wrote:
“No way those Radfield boys are going to get me…” he thought.

That is seriously what I thought an hour ago. Lol. Good luck town. Lynch those scum.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 18 2012 00:40 GMT
#360
No! Not the other American! Now who else will log in after everyone else is asleep or at work.

PS: Nova I thought you were instant voting here?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
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