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Ill be making a statement that says my current best scumread/reads and my current townreads. not sure if thats what exactky what FF wants, but thats what i think will help best if i die.
TheRavensName, i still think your vote switch was to try to jump off of a bandwagon to make yourself seem inno. At that point in time, i had been posting analysis and defending myself much better, and therfore your defense of your flop doesnt make sense to me.
Also, although there are many reasons that Lazer is suspicious, I do want to note that i think it is completely valid to vote for the person who isnt useful and is a pain to deal with day 1 instead of someone who has a slightly higher chance of being scum.
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Personally, I am very concerned by these factions that seem to have been drawn and I think it may be harmful in the long run. Either one will almost certainly at least contain two of three scums. On one hand we have Nova and Lazer, people say Crossfire but I don't see it quite as much as the other two, while on the other hand we have Lorant's council of Four (Which I think should be three, I don't see myself on it and my name was thrown out at the start.) I think these really early alliances are a terrible idea and need to be watched by those on the outside, as well as those on the inside. There is almost no reason for people to have formed these so early and so easily, maybe they had a good read, or maybe they are mob and trying to stick together to make collective argument. It is far too early for such groupings. Nova and Lazer are very active and its a very small one, so it seems kind of safe, where as the council is made of people who supported the no lynch and against Nova immeditly... plus me for some reason despite being against both of these things and not wanting a part. Now The first one strikes me as odd because of how shifty and against each other yet agreeing the first pair is, while the other is composed of people that give me intial on the surface scum readings.
Just in conclusion, watch the members of both groups... they are the ones who will start or continue band wagons.
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You are welcome to think that Nova. As I have said before I am not use to such detailed and calculated decisions and analysis. This is your third game in such a format and my First. An average game that I've played has been twenty minutes... much shorter then even a single day. I feel as though I am a bit of a disadvantage compared to the everyone else, who seems to have this as their second or third game, (or first on a smurf.)
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Once again I am in no group with lazer.... But i do find it interesting that people like FF continuously make us out to be one, a rival one.
And thats bugging me because the fact is, if some alliance is going against me, im gonna be mad. and when i get mad its gonna be SEE hes defending his Alliance. or thats what it keeps looking like its gonna be.
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I as well came into this from sc2 mafia and real life mafia. 4 games later, I still find my play far inferior to others that have played less. Just try hard and you will do fine, or flip scum if you cant  . The disadvantage is in your head. think of yourself of the same level as anyone else. dont let it stop you.
That being said i expect some good analysis from you day 2.
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No alliance, especially not exclusively against you, just a leadership conglomerate. Personally I think Pure-Sc2 is scummy but it could be just a gut feeling again. Nevertheless I think posting the way he does should be encouraged, hence the willingness to compromise personal opinion for the sake of empowering discussion and argumentation. If you'll adopt this philosophy there's perspective for you to join our ranks, especially with Raven abdicating his position a vacancy must be filled.. maybe 2 if one of us remaining members dies.
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Hmm, interesting.
I am not interested in joining a "leadership conglomerate" even if i did/adopted thoseprinciples you decided on. I thinkits a bad idea, and if one single scum was in it it would wreck everything massively. and then what happens when suspicions are made against someone in the conglomerate?
And i dont even think that anyone officially accepted your offer as of yet.
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On April 18 2012 00:29 Lorant wrote:I'm very busy today and won't be fit to debate anything until the day after tomorrow. If someone from the council of 4 is shot, he will either be replaced by the most active and sound player from the outer circle (i.e. everyone - (minus) Lazer & Novaplayer) or not .. that is for the council to decide halfway through Day2 which won't be like Day1 + Show Spoiler +.. chaotic, breeding baseless and silly argumentation like I didn't want to vote for that guy so I voted for the other guy . We will establish who is most suspicious prior to the deadline and synchronize our votes with a pre-vote (If there's a tie we seek the advice of our outside consultant (BlueyD). Mid-nighttime is not the time to be making huge cases. Everyone prepare a statement and post it 2-3 minutes before daybreak to make sure mafia night action has been sent (hopefully the hosts don't mess it up).
Also assuming that Novaplayer is in fact me, how is this not Against lazer and myself?
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You mean if a single scum is in our council he will manipulate everyone into voting unanimously against townies. That's gotta be one persuasive fellow, but even then his argumentation will be there for everyone to inspect. I'd much rather have us fight out a persuasion war than have people get away with making no sense at all and fucking up the votes. At least this way we can counter chaos with our joint efforts to establish order.
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How would you make joint efforts in order to establish order?
Please describe EXACTLY your idea so i can stop thinking Usual fourface nonsense >.>
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Well you two accused oneplus of being noob despite his excellent efforts to make sense out of the information and possibilities he had at that time.. he lost respect and became an easy target, mainly due to your lack of responsibility, he regarded you as a leader and broke his trust and tried to rape his self-esteem. That's why I don't want you to be considered a leader anymore.
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Do you know Kohbee? .. You're like Kohbee and there's no point in talking to you as if you could understand the impediment of constructive atmosphere that your lack of self-awareness is producing.
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A little disturbance in eloquence there but it's alright, now I'll leave you talking to yourself while I'm preparing for my statement.
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Ahh. Well it was more of a continuation of another's thoughts Nova. Personally I'm more suspicious of him then you.
Anyways Lorant, what Nova is trying to say if one Scum is on your council, the entire group is going to be pretty heavily dammed in the eyes of everyone else. Thats the risk that happens with every alliance... and its why forming them on day/night 1 is a terrible idea.
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On April 18 2012 06:44 Lorant wrote:
Well you two accused oneplus of being noob despite his excellent efforts to make sense out of the information and possibilities he had at that time.. he lost respect and became an easy target, mainly due to your lack of responsibility, he regarded you as a leader and broke his trust and tried to rape his self-esteem. That's why I don't want you to be considered a leader anymore.
Where did this come from
And yes, i still find his logic to have multiple fallacies and be newbie play. which is understandable given thatit is a newbie game. If he wanted to look at me as a leader, thats his decision. I havent been trying to play as a leader nor have i tried to claim to be one. I tried to rape his self esteem? no, thats false. My point is that it is a purposely made exclusion of Lazer and I, where i believe you just said it wasnt.
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On April 18 2012 06:46 Lorant wrote:
Do you know Kohbee? .. You're like Kohbee and there's no point in talking to you as if you could understand the impediment of constructive atmosphere that your lack of self-awareness is producing.
Rofl wait. I ask a question regarding your Strange council idea, and you tell me that it is worthless to talk to me because i dont understand what i am doing. and then relate me to someone else. wtf
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The idea of a council is extremely strange. There are already two factions in this game - Town and Mafia. By creating a council, are you not creating a THIRD faction? So far it seems that creating a council that excludes others serves ONLY to piss people off and get people arguing back and forth. What is the point of this? Why not just play as one faction - TOWN. I'm for dropping all this distracting council stuff and just focusing on the task at hand - establishing your own innocence and hunting scum.
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On April 18 2012 06:49 TheRavensName wrote:
Ahh. Well it was more of a continuation of another's thoughts Nova. Personally I'm more suspicious of him then you.
Anyways Lorant, what Nova is trying to say if one Scum is on your council, the entire group is going to be pretty heavily dammed in the eyes of everyone else. Thats the risk that happens with every alliance... and its why forming them on day/night 1 is a terrible idea.
Yes, that is one of the reasons i meant in that it is a terrible idea.
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On April 18 2012 06:57 Therapist. wrote:
The idea of a council is extremely strange. There are already two factions in this game - Town and Mafia. By creating a council, are you not creating a THIRD faction? So far it seems that creating a council that excludes others serves ONLY to piss people off and get people arguing back and forth. What is the point of this? Why not just play as one faction - TOWN. I'm for dropping all this distracting council stuff and just focusing on the task at hand - establishing your own innocence and hunting scum.
Im wondering if the entire purpose of this was to piss me off. Because if he knows my meta in any way shape or form, i'll somehow rage out and die. Also his replies to me seemed as if they knew exactly what would make me mad.
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An apathetic and Lazy town just plays into the mafia's hands. So far, there has been huge potential to make progress and only a few have even got involved.
The key lurkers right now based on my filter review:
Therapist
Macheji
Lazermonkey (since his vote on oneplus)
Crossfire (since the night post)
Also TheRavensName, Lorant and BlueyD. You really need to contribute more, including some of your own analysis and scum reads. Spend the time to read peoples filters and make your own opinions.
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