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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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Daymor
New Zealand151 Posts
You say you suspect Nova_Terra and Lazermonkey. Can you please provide a case for both or either one of them? | ||
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Daymor
New Zealand151 Posts
You still around? If so you around for much longer, or you about to head out? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
Solohan, what do you have to say towards the suspicions against you? | ||
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Macheji
Romania103 Posts
Daymor (+/--)-> In the start he favored both no-lynching / Lynching me. At the moment , lynching me gave no information. So he was ''divided'' between getting no info from a no-lynch to lynching the guy whos death would bring the less info(-). Also, from what i've seen, i've got the impresion he is a very guilable, easily to be impressed person that changes mind-stances often(+/-). Lorant ( +/--- )-> Gave a good very good town advice in the start ( the journal thing ) +. Proved to be a smurf of fourface that ''likes to do crazy things so town does not think he is mafia'' -> Creates this thing called The Coucil of Four ( crazy thing -- )to rise against Nova_Terra but dosn't really accuse him of anything, this seems a bit dubious , like a false conflict ( - ) Crossfire ( ++ )-> I know now he's dead, bear with me ( did not know the name of the guy that got killed last night when i made this so that i don't get subjective)... Made a post regarding the fact that people , especially blues will have no info if there is a no-lynch , this was a giveaway for me ( ++ ) [b]NovaTerra (++/--------[/b )]> oh man, oh man...  .... Ok here we go. Accuses Solohan of appology post -> makes appology post moments later ( --- ). Made alot of accusations w/o arguments(-)(ex vs solohan, therapist ). Spamming, atleast 6 posts in the first 7 pages saying the same thing(-). From page 8, 18:25, when he is beeing accused he start to seem very troubled, he makes post-after-post, very twitchy. He goes crazy about him beeing the most active person. He gets even more crazy when someone mentions him beeing in the same team with Lazer.At first it seemed like an ok reaction, the guy was mad because he was wrongfully accused, but why get even more stirred up when beeing named a teammate of Lazer, that's something kinda specific to be generally mad against. Also, when Oneplus attack him he tells him he is digging his own grave, he was so sure about it, like he had some power the rest of us do not. Also when Oneplus attacks him in one post he says he is not impressed... he's not impressed of what ? When someone innocent is beeing accused of something, does it ever occure to him to say that he is not impressed with the case against him ? I am acc thinking of those real-life gangsters or white-collar criminals that laugh on the tv when they are beeing accused. ( -- ) . In another post he is accusing bandwaggoning when people started voting for him, but he had no problem with people bandwaggoning when there were like 4 voting me for beeing inactive or for 4 more to vote for oneplus when he got killed. ( - ) . He is by far the most frequent poster ( ++ ), but his posts lack any real information ( already rated this ) . Also it's clear in his mind that mafias are people that generaly don't want attention, so he may meta this and try to hide the poop in plain sight. He even says at a point that '' you do not vote for an active thought player for info'' when someone suggested his lynch in order to get information.Lazermonkey ( ---- ) > Agrees with Nova_Terra on solahan beeing scummy even tho there were 0 arguments Why ? ( - ) Calls therapist scum again w/o evidence Votes for me -> Side with N_T vs oneplus -> is accused on multiple front of mafiateam with N_T-> says he is conviced oneplus is town -> Votes N_T without revealing to much -> In the end votes oneplus ( --- ) Therapist ++ > I only see i noted that he gave me the impression that he really does not want a misslynch ( ++ ) TheRavensname ( +/- ) > a bit wierd that at page 6 he accuses Nova_Terra of beeing to lynch happy ( +/-). 1 hour later he votes me and Nova_Terra + Lazermonkey ( the ''double'' at that point) soon fallow. Pure-SC2 ( +++/-- ) At a moment he accused Solahan for beeing a scum, fallowing N_T and LM, when there were no arguments or evidence. THe only thing i noticed about Solahan until that post was that he was a bot noobish at this game. Later on he goes after oneplus because he said N_T and LM are scummy without any arguments/evidence. ( -- ) But, to be honest Pure-SC2 has made alot of valuable posts since then. I found them clear, argumented, transparent and it seemed to me like he added alot to the game ( +++ ) . Still the mark of doubt remains. | ||
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Macheji
Romania103 Posts
Crossfire died... So that leaves us with Nova, Therapist, Blue and Lazer. Now atleast one of these are mafias. I am inclied to go for either Nova_terra or Lazer.... There is a slight chance Nova_Terra is just jilted by nature and Lazer mafia-sheeped him ... but a slim chance. I am almost sure one of them, or both, are mafia. | ||
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
I never accused Solohan of being scum, I asked him what he thought of Nova saying his first post sounded scummy. Also, I voted for oneplus as a pressure vote (as he was lurking at the time), which I removed when I made my case against Nova. You'll need to get going on your reading, as things have moved on a long way from where you're up to. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:43 Macheji wrote: [b]NovaTerra (++/--------[/b )]> oh man, oh man... .... Ok here we go. Accuses Solohan of appology post -> makes appology post moments later ( --- ). Made alot of accusations w/o arguments(-)(ex vs solohan, therapist ). Spamming, atleast 6 posts in the first 7 pages saying the same thing(-). From page 8, 18:25, when he is beeing accused he start to seem very troubled, he makes post-after-post, very twitchy. He goes crazy about him beeing the most active person. He gets even more crazy when someone mentions him beeing in the same team with Lazer.At first it seemed like an ok reaction, the guy was mad because he was wrongfully accused, but why get even more stirred up when beeing named a teammate of Lazer, that's something kinda specific to be generally mad against. Also, when Oneplus attack him he tells him he is digging his own grave, he was so sure about it, like he had some power the rest of us do not. Also when Oneplus attacks him in one post he says he is not impressed... he's not impressed of what ? When someone innocent is beeing accused of something, does it ever occure to him to say that he is not impressed with the case against him ? I am acc thinking of those real-life gangsters or white-collar criminals that laugh on the tv when they are beeing accused. ( -- ) . In another post he is accusing bandwaggoning when people started voting for him, but he had no problem with people bandwaggoning when there were like 4 voting me for beeing inactive or for 4 more to vote for oneplus when he got killed. ( - ) . He is by far the most frequent poster ( ++ ), but his posts lack any real information ( already rated this ) . Also it's clear in his mind that mafias are people that generaly don't want attention, so he may meta this and try to hide the poop in plain sight. He even says at a point that '' you do not vote for an active thought player for info'' when someone suggested his lynch in order to get information.In the future, please use actual examples from filter to prove your points. I dont recall accusing Solohan of an apology post and then making an apology post right after. I dont recall ever making an accusation against therapist, and i still feel that me noting that Solohans first post was scummy and wanting him to give his thoughts regarding it first was perfectly valid, and i did have an argument. Of course i get crazy when people continue to say that im in a team with Lazer; I made good analysis on him and find him reasonably scummy. A day 1 bussing plan is possible sure, but likely in a newbie game? not so much. Oneplus' attack and case for voting me were bad, and therefore i was not impressed. Thats fine if you choose to think of me as a gangster or white collar criminal, doesnt bother me. There was excessive bandwagoning on me that mattered; When someone makes a case and others bandwagon without adding anything really, that is much much worse than a group of people deciding on a pressure vote to make a lurker post. At the point when i was going to be lynched, it was a perfectly acceptable decision for me to get a vote running on someone else who wasnt really adding anything, townie or not. I havent had much time to make cases as i keep spending a lot of my time having to defend again and again, but i have posted a few scummy post analysis. Its true that mafia are ***generally*** people who dont like to draw attention to themselves, and until i try to meta that and "hide the poop in plain sight" that point is moot. I stand by my quote from earlier, and it appears here that you are taking it out of context to make your case seem better. right now in your +/- system i would give myself around ++++/-----. Pluses being most active player by far, posting filter based analysis, and maintaining town meta from previous games (sure it can be WIFOM'ed, but the truth is that is much harder to do as scum). minuses are from not having much content other than defense and defensive analysis, being cynical in responses, on the wrong side of a townie lynch. The other side was still a townie (me) lynch, but seeing as he actually flipped, yeah. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
Of the 6 people that voted for him: - Four stated no scum related reason for voting oneplus (Daymor, Crossfire, Nova, Therapist) - One is not sure whether he is scum or bad town (Lazermonkey) - One is more suspicious of him than of Nova (BlueyD) Of these 6, one was confirmed town (Crossfire), and two I have leaning town (Daymor and BlueyD). Including TheRavensName (who vote switched off Oneplus 13 minutes before the deadline), that leaves 4 others who voted for him leading to his lynch, and I believe likely includes at least 2 mafia. These 4 are: Lazer, Nova, Therapist and TheRavensName. I note that Solohan (who is generating heat at the moment for his mostly lurkerish behaviour) was never part of the vote on Oneplus - he voted for Nova and kept it on him. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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BlueyD
Canada437 Posts
To Daymor: History of my read on Nova, since you asked. - Leaning town at the start for reasons already mentioned - A few of his actions near the vote seemed dumb or scummy: 6 posts in a row, lack of urgency as macheji was about to be lynched, telling the docs what to do at night. Nova gained a few scumpoints there. - I also thought the Lazer case was good at that point, but I figured it would be really dumb for Lazer and Nova to band together so close if both are scum. Realized this line of thought wasn’t very useful because it could be WIFOMed. - I then decided it was better to see if this was partnership or leader-follower instead of WIFOMing. I found out Nova had his own opinions and Lazer was the parasite here. This means Nova is not to be faulted for the connection between those 2, Lazer is. So at the moment, I would again say Nova is more likely to be town than scum. Nova is not a lynch target for me at the moment. Lazer, though, is very suspicious. --- Lorant has dodged my question of why he thought Pure was scum, other than ‘gut feeling’. I want that question answered. I really, really want that question answered. | ||
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Solohan50
37 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:36 Pure-SC2 wrote: Three people have now posted suspicions on Solohan. Solohan, what do you have to say towards the suspicions against you? Well, the biggest complaint seems to be that I don't post enough, which I definitely understand. Unfortunately, with the way this game is laid out, I don't really have a chance to get in on the action when everyone else is online. I live in California, with the majority of players being in Europe. That puts almost everyone at least 5 or 6 hours ahead of me (if not more; I'm not terribly good with what time zones are where), meaning that most people are posting and getting really active while I'm asleep or at work. I occasionally have the opportunity to post from work, like now, but it's not guaranteed that I have that opportunity everyday. I've been trying to post when I get home from work and give as much analysis as I can, but I can't help it if people don't feel that's active enough. That said, I did find at least thing weird, which is Daymor's accusation of me in this post: On April 18 2012 11:53 Daymor wrote: We have a serious lurker problem. The following people need to considerably step up their level of contributions and help town out; Lurking particularly badly - Macheji - Solohan50 Lurking but posting enough to get by - Therapist - TheRavensName Contributing, but want more - BlueyD - Lorant Note my position in relation to Therapist and TheRavensName on this list. While, numerically, I may not have as many posts as Therapist and TheRavensName, both have posted very little in the way of analysis (Therapist moreso than Raven). I feel like my analysis has contributed more than either of these players. Despite that, I'm said to be lurking particularly badly, while both of them are posting enough to get by. I don't really know what to think of this yet, but I definitely find it weird. I won't be home for another 5 hours or so, but I'll look through some more filters and see if I can come up with some more analysis tonight. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
First of, I realise that my play have been quite suspicious up untill this point. I don't really know how to response to this tho. Some of you may not like that I blame my inexperience, but it does play a factor in here. This is in fact my first game ever of forum mafia. As for my voteswitch on oneplus, after Pure's post about Nova I was overwhelmed. I thought there was a very big chance of Nova being scum at that point. But I really liked his defense and he had been contributing as oposed to oneplus. At the same time oneplus never failed to amaze me with loads of scummy posts. I still wasn't quite sure whether he was a bad town or actually scum and at that point where I voteswitched, I was basically fliping a coin in order in order to decide which one I would go for. I also didn't like the way everyone seemed to bandwagon Nova so easy, althought admittedly I was one of thoose who voted for in the beginning. Now as for my own scumreads, here we go: Macheji - started the game out as a lurker, has a couple of posts which doesn't contribute at all(which doesn't tell to much because it was just a few hours into the game). Then he doesn't say anything for a long time. Obviously this was due to his computer, as a don't really think you would lurk so hardcore that you are basically minutes from being replaced. He then puts his vote on Nova, which doesn't have an impact at all as it made the vote go from 6-3 to 6-4. His resoning behind this vote was that he didn't like the way Nova pressured with his votes in the early game, found in this post:+ Show Spoiler + On April 17 2012 09:46 Macheji wrote: Fine, i'll post my reasons for the vote. Didn't really want to because the night is comming and the last time i accused somebody at the start of the night i got killed. Here is what i wrote earlier but wanted to keep it to myself until the end of the night I'll catch up on everything and start making cases. I voted for Terra because in my opionion he seems to be trying to hard. The vote/unvote thing bothered me from the start. The matter of fact is that in the beggining it had a positive effect, but in time that kind of posts only start turning people against eachother. I noticed that at a point almost everybody was accusing eachother for various reasons and the conversation went nowhere. More than this people started forming small groups. And i find this a very unhealthy behavior town-wise. In my opinion this was all caused by Nova_Terra. I don't know if it was on purpose or not, but the effect was negative nonetheless. More than this, i saw a post in wich he said ( correct me if i'm wrong here, i went thru everything kinda fast ), that in the last game he got killed for beeing to silent as a mafia. Now his behavior is not closer to normal, but it's the exact same opposite. I think he got mafia again and he tries to act compl different expecting a tottaly different reaction from the people. From what i've noticed, he is not really scum-hunting, he is not thinking on building a case and going after someone that he really belives is mafia, but rather he goes after everybody managing to only create dubt against everybody. Now, that was the reasoning behind my vote. But now that i've read your case-post i am alot more sure of my vote. If i don't die tonight, i am voting for him again. Some strange things are found in this post such as: Now, that was the reasoning behind my vote. But now that i've read your case-post i am alot more sure of my vote. If i don't die tonight, i am voting for him again. Not sure what to think about this. "if I don't die tonight" could be a possible scumslip. And the fact that he was so willing to vote against Nova again seems strange, why would you decide who to vote for now, when it is almost 72h before next lynch? Another pearl I found in this post was this Small line: More than this, i saw a post in wich he said ( correct me if i'm wrong here, i went thru everything kinda fast ), that in the last game he got killed for beeing to silent as a mafia. Very instresting post. Nova even himself claimed that he is spamming alot as mafia, which is easily confirmed if you check his post history. I guess It's possible that he actually was going through everything very fast and missed this. But another possibility is that this post was a way of trying to spread false rumors about Nova with the possibilty of falling back by saying: "Oh, I must have missread that". Not to long ago he posted a long post about most in this game. This post was good in the way that it did show his opinions on several persons. However, it was more of a summary than anything else and didn't add much to the discussion. Also I think his logic was flawed for in some ways, for example giving Therapist (++) only for saying he didn't want to misslynch. And I'm not just saying that cuz I'm mad that I got (----) : ). As you may have noticed I have been refering to Nova in alot of cases. Say what you want about him, he does create some good discussions. As for other honorobel mentions: Therapist - lurking like a boss atm. Said he liked long posts, but is yet to post one himself. Only playing safe cards, could be because he his scum, could be because he is scared townie. Nova - I'm leaing towards town in him. I think he is contributing alot. I also liked Fourfaces/Durants post on that the kill on Crossfire somewhat proves that Nova is innocent because Cross unsure of whether Nova was scum or townie. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 19 2012 05:24 Nova_Terra wrote: Hmm. welcome back lazer. Please try to prepare a case/ analysis on somebody other than solo, if you can. it would be most appreciated. Is it just me or do people seem to show up when the cases start getting mentioned? | ||
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