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"Sponge posting his Early Day 1 Conversation Starter?
Sponge posting his Early Day 1 Conversation Starter."
Was it ever a question that his post was to start discussion?
And I think what superfluous said was scummy because he gives a soft agree.all? is in soft agreement with the general flow of the thread, then just talks about nothing, then disappears.
The post itself, combined with the lack of anything else, is what is scummy as crap.
I don't want to overreact too hard to you saying "slight scum read", but if I was truly searching for a neutral place to put my vote on, I wouldn't continue talking about it.
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On July 13 2013 09:41 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:35 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 09:30 StiMaDDict wrote:On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:
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Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum?
Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote:
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to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred..
This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.) You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant. You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it. However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it. I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. Seriously man.. this is the best you can do? If he has scum post, big deal. For all we know THIS could be his scum post. Who knows. Is this your first game jrkirby? "For all we know, THIS could be his scum post." That's exactly what I was trying to get information on. Here was my reasoning: if this is his scum post, then he won't HAVE a real scum post. But it's been long enough that he could've written another one by now, so no point in pushing it anymore. No, this is my second game, kinda. Why is there no point in pushing it? There's no reason to not push it if you think it was scummy, and if you were pushing it for the sake of having something to do, just go do something else. Still, more people, what do you think of Superfluous post and then disappearance?
Me - "It's been long enough that he could've written another one by now." If he had posted one immediately after I had asked it means something different than if he posts one an hour or two after I asked.
Superfluous's post & lurk is bad, but give him a bit, he might show back up.
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On July 13 2013 09:26 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:21 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 09:12 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:41 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? On July 13 2013 08:20 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:07 StiMaDDict wrote:
I can only look at jrkirby's post as a pressure vote at this point. He didn't seem to be the type to joke around from the pre game though.
This post is scummy. Gives a reason for jkirbys post and then casts doubt on it. U scum? I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. It's scummy because it's renouncing jkirbys jokepost while he gave a reason for it. He never explains why this joking around is suspicious just passively finger points. I want to hear elaboration. "It's a pressure vote, but his joking is wierd because he doesn't seem like a joker." Where's the inconsistency? The point is he is finger pointing without actually doing anything like asking a question. I want to hear his response It sounded like you had two points. 1) "It's scummy because it's renouncing jkirbys jokepost while he gave a reason for it." (inconsistency) 2) "He never explains why this joking around is suspicious just passively finger points." (finger pointing)
Maybe I wasn't explicit enough. Is this untrue?
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On July 13 2013 09:44 StiMaDDict wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:36 Rainbows wrote:
Stim.
Why the hell are you pointing out things about jkirby if you dont find them suspicious? What was the purpose of your post then?
For your entertainment. + Show Spoiler +I do not like to post fluff + Show Spoiler +Could someone give me a definition of fluff? Contentless gut feel is what I think means and I do want misunderstanding. When I said whether you wanted an elaboration, I was literally inviting you to look through my thinking process. My analysis on jkirby was for one purpose, to establish the fact that I think it is a contentless pressure vote and not a good case. And from that point on I could explain my post. If I had just said, "oh, jkirby's case is terrible and that's why I said such and such." I wouldn't be meaningful in anyway.
You established that his vote was pressure. Fact
You then said his post was joking but he was not a joking player.
it is the latter clause i do not understand simply because it has no purpose or town motivation. It seems to passively finger point at something that is potentially scummy in jkirby but not investigate.
but i digress. your reaction suffices and we move on.
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On July 13 2013 09:47 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:26 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 09:21 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 09:12 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:41 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? On July 13 2013 08:20 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:07 StiMaDDict wrote:
I can only look at jrkirby's post as a pressure vote at this point. He didn't seem to be the type to joke around from the pre game though.
This post is scummy. Gives a reason for jkirbys post and then casts doubt on it. U scum? I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. It's scummy because it's renouncing jkirbys jokepost while he gave a reason for it. He never explains why this joking around is suspicious just passively finger points. I want to hear elaboration. "It's a pressure vote, but his joking is wierd because he doesn't seem like a joker." Where's the inconsistency? The point is he is finger pointing without actually doing anything like asking a question. I want to hear his response It sounded like you had two points. 1) "It's scummy because it's renouncing jkirbys jokepost while he gave a reason for it." (inconsistency) 2) "He never explains why this joking around is suspicious just passively finger points." (finger pointing) Maybe I wasn't explicit enough. Is this untrue?
I assume pressure vote = town move and then he says jkirby is joking which is unlike him = scummy?
two separate feels imo.
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To address some things, especially umasi I guess. I apologize for not answering sooner, the other forums I have played on move much slower and there arent 2 and a half pages of posts after being gone for just 3-4 hours. I would be annoyed at your pushing but I think in general its a good town move as it forces information out of people. All I was saying is that, to me, we have a higher chance of lynching town than mafia. We may also end up outing a role prematurely by pushing for a day one lynch. The games that I've played/followed where mafia has 1 kp it's standard to not lynch day one. Here there is no guarantee of cop so it's different, that's why I was asking about others' opinions and not saying we 100% should do it. Sorry if you felt my post was irrelevant but no one else had even pointed it out as an option. I feel like I'm just re stating what I already said in my previous post, not sure what else you want.
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On July 13 2013 09:53 Superfluous wrote:
To address some things, especially umasi I guess. I apologize for not answering sooner, the other forums I have played on move much slower and there arent 2 and a half pages of posts after being gone for just 3-4 hours. I would be annoyed at your pushing but I think in general its a good town move as it forces information out of people. All I was saying is that, to me, we have a higher chance of lynching town than mafia. We may also end up outing a role prematurely by pushing for a day one lynch. The games that I've played/followed where mafia has 1 kp it's standard to not lynch day one. Here there is no guarantee of cop so it's different, that's why I was asking about others' opinions and not saying we 100% should do it. Sorry if you felt my post was irrelevant but no one else had even pointed it out as an option. I feel like I'm just re stating what I already said in my previous post, not sure what else you want.
This is the NN claim all over again. Difference of opinion on policy is going to lead to a major wagon. Know your history, kids!
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Superfluous, do you have any current scum reads?
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or townie reads, for that matter.
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On July 13 2013 09:53 Superfluous wrote:
To address some things, especially umasi I guess. I apologize for not answering sooner, the other forums I have played on move much slower and there arent 2 and a half pages of posts after being gone for just 3-4 hours. I would be annoyed at your pushing but I think in general its a good town move as it forces information out of people. All I was saying is that, to me, we have a higher chance of lynching town than mafia. We may also end up outing a role prematurely by pushing for a day one lynch. The games that I've played/followed where mafia has 1 kp it's standard to not lynch day one. Here there is no guarantee of cop so it's different, that's why I was asking about others' opinions and not saying we 100% should do it. Sorry if you felt my post was irrelevant but no one else had even pointed it out as an option. I feel like I'm just re stating what I already said in my previous post, not sure what else you want.
I think it's foolish to PLAN to not lynch day one. But if I have a choice of lynching someone that I townread, and lynching no one, I will try to lynch no one. I hope other people would follow suit.
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On July 13 2013 09:44 Rainbows wrote:
What do you think about Stims reaction, HZ? He kinda derailed to some soft pressure :/
The first thing to note is that Stim was unsure of whether Jrkirby's post was a joke or not. Stim reacted very different than everyone else did, but this could be because he viewed it as semi-serious while everyone else viewed it as a joke.
After that Stim tries to defend himself. Again Stim's reaction seems odd at first, but normal if you consider that Stim thinks the original case was serious. Stim is posting in an aggressive manner but that is more of a personality tell than an alignment tell.
I cannot help but be wish-washy here and conclude: I am eager to see more from Stim because I have absolutely no read on his alignment at this point.
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On July 13 2013 09:25 StiMaDDict wrote:Another thing that is annoying the fuck out of me is that how Rainbow "interpreted" my post. This is what I wrote. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:07 StiMaDDict wrote:
I can only look at jrkirby's post as a pressure vote at this point. He didn't seem to be the type to joke around from the pre game though.
Explanation: I find a pressure vote to be a strategy for some people. It works sometimes but not all the times. jrkirby's "case" really is not something of content to be honest. I assumed that it was pressure vote to get some discussions going. So that is what I said. As for the second sentence, his "case" is really fucking bullshit, so there are two possibilities. Either he is joking around or he suck at scumhunting.
So you posted it because you wanted to point out that he's either a townie joking or a bad townie? Why would you post the second sentence at all?
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On July 13 2013 09:52 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:47 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 09:26 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 09:21 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 09:12 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:41 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? On July 13 2013 08:20 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:07 StiMaDDict wrote:
I can only look at jrkirby's post as a pressure vote at this point. He didn't seem to be the type to joke around from the pre game though.
This post is scummy. Gives a reason for jkirbys post and then casts doubt on it. U scum? I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. It's scummy because it's renouncing jkirbys jokepost while he gave a reason for it. He never explains why this joking around is suspicious just passively finger points. I want to hear elaboration. "It's a pressure vote, but his joking is wierd because he doesn't seem like a joker." Where's the inconsistency? The point is he is finger pointing without actually doing anything like asking a question.I want to hear his response It sounded like you had two points. 1) "It's scummy because it's renouncing jkirbys jokepost while he gave a reason for it." (inconsistency) 2) "He never explains why this joking around is suspicious just passively finger points." (finger pointing) Maybe I wasn't explicit enough. Is this untrue? I assume pressure vote = town move and then he says jkirby is joking which is unlike him = scummy? two separate feels imo.
Are you asking me..? Or is that a reason why you thought it was scummy?
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On July 13 2013 09:58 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:25 StiMaDDict wrote:Another thing that is annoying the fuck out of me is that how Rainbow "interpreted" my post. This is what I wrote. On July 13 2013 08:07 StiMaDDict wrote:
I can only look at jrkirby's post as a pressure vote at this point. He didn't seem to be the type to joke around from the pre game though.
Explanation: I find a pressure vote to be a strategy for some people. It works sometimes but not all the times. jrkirby's "case" really is not something of content to be honest. I assumed that it was pressure vote to get some discussions going. So that is what I said. As for the second sentence, his "case" is really fucking bullshit, so there are two possibilities. Either he is joking around or he suck at scumhunting.
So you posted it because you wanted to point out that he's either a townie joking or a bad townie? Why would you post the second sentence at all?
And then someone else words it better than I can. Bravo.
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On July 13 2013 10:01 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:52 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 09:47 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 09:26 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 09:21 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 09:12 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:41 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? On July 13 2013 08:20 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:07 StiMaDDict wrote:
I can only look at jrkirby's post as a pressure vote at this point. He didn't seem to be the type to joke around from the pre game though.
This post is scummy. Gives a reason for jkirbys post and then casts doubt on it. U scum? I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. It's scummy because it's renouncing jkirbys jokepost while he gave a reason for it. He never explains why this joking around is suspicious just passively finger points. I want to hear elaboration. "It's a pressure vote, but his joking is wierd because he doesn't seem like a joker." Where's the inconsistency? The point is he is finger pointing without actually doing anything like asking a question.I want to hear his response It sounded like you had two points. 1) "It's scummy because it's renouncing jkirbys jokepost while he gave a reason for it." (inconsistency) 2) "He never explains why this joking around is suspicious just passively finger points." (finger pointing) Maybe I wasn't explicit enough. Is this untrue? I assume pressure vote = town move and then he says jkirby is joking which is unlike him = scummy? two separate feels imo. Are you asking me..? Or is that a reason why you thought it was scummy?
The reason I thought it scummy.
It's hard to say how I thought about it, but then again I post rather sporadically with random thoughts.
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On July 13 2013 09:55 Umasi wrote:
Superfluous, do you have any current scum reads?
At the moment no, as I said I was gone for a couple hours then came back and just skimmed through the thread . I mean to go through it again in more detail once I'm finished defending myself or w/e. Two things are on my mind though. One is that I think you are town (not just to suck up to you b/c you are pressuring me). Reasons being that in my personal experience those who are most aggressive are generally town, and also that this is a semi-noob game so I'm unsure if a mafia would have the confidence to go out and control the game/ put pressure on early on. Another thing is that I dont think I've seen much (if anything) from Cloud 9. He may be in same situation as me and I'll give him Benefit of the doubt though.
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Koshi
Xzavier
Nightcat99
Gotard
cloud-9
These players haven't posted anything/enough in my opinion. It's only been a couple hours, so you might be asleep/ at work. But just a PSA, these are currently "lurkers".
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On July 13 2013 10:03 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 10:01 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 09:52 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 09:47 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 09:26 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 09:21 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 09:12 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:41 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? On July 13 2013 08:20 Rainbows wrote:
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This post is scummy. Gives a reason for jkirbys post and then casts doubt on it. U scum? I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. It's scummy because it's renouncing jkirbys jokepost while he gave a reason for it. He never explains why this joking around is suspicious just passively finger points. I want to hear elaboration. "It's a pressure vote, but his joking is wierd because he doesn't seem like a joker." Where's the inconsistency? The point is he is finger pointing without actually doing anything like asking a question.I want to hear his response It sounded like you had two points. 1) "It's scummy because it's renouncing jkirbys jokepost while he gave a reason for it." (inconsistency) 2) "He never explains why this joking around is suspicious just passively finger points." (finger pointing) Maybe I wasn't explicit enough. Is this untrue? I assume pressure vote = town move and then he says jkirby is joking which is unlike him = scummy? two separate feels imo. Are you asking me..? Or is that a reason why you thought it was scummy? The reason I thought it scummy. It's hard to say how I thought about it, but then again I post rather sporadically with random thoughts.
On July 13 2013 09:21 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:12 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:41 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? On July 13 2013 08:20 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:07 StiMaDDict wrote:
I can only look at jrkirby's post as a pressure vote at this point. He didn't seem to be the type to joke around from the pre game though.
This post is scummy. Gives a reason for jkirbys post and then casts doubt on it. U scum? I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. It's scummy because it's renouncing jkirbys jokepost while he gave a reason for it. He never explains why this joking around is suspicious just passively finger points. I want to hear elaboration. "It's a pressure vote, but his joking is wierd because he doesn't seem like a joker." Where's the inconsistency? The point is he is finger pointing without actually doing anything like asking a question. I want to hear his response
I'm quite confused.
In the first post, you say that you had two reasons why Stim looked scummy, the inconsistency and then the fingerpointing.
When I address the inconsistency point, you say that you only have one reason why he looked scummy.
Did you just forget why you thought Stim was scummy? What do you think about him now?
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Does it really matter if we haven't seen things from other players at this point?
It's been two hours since the game began, some people could still be working, etc. The way you popped in, said one thing kinda suspicious, then popped out is what really irks me.
Don't apologize and talk about other forums as an excuse, excuses are bad. Reasons are fine, but that didn't feel like a reason to me.
We don't need to point out no lynching as an option, because it's BAD
No lynching is something that scum would LIKE.
I think I said it in the last game I played (too lazy to dig it up,) but the only tool a townie has is their vote, so don't waste it on something like a no lynch. There should always be someone who is objectively "scummiest" that you'd rather vote for than no lynch, have a little confidence.
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I know it seem a bit hard to believe but as i stated pre game ,I am actually on a trip at Chicago ATM, for the food festival and will try to stay active through my phone.
I am totally new to the game through so if what I said seem odd, it could just be me being unfamiliar with the game. However that being said, I do agree with the strategy to activetly lynch someone everyday, because although we run the danger of killing innocent, I feel that voting pattern is a great way to show your innocent and scuminess .
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