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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
On January 05 2012 15:32 GreYMisT wrote: A Killer Cuppa Tea has replaced CookieMaker! I'm sorry, I know I said I going to bed, but wat? That was unexpected. Could he just not play anymore? Cause he certainly wasn't inactive. | ||
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
Are we allowed to know why CM left? | ||
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A Killer Cuppa Tea
97 Posts
On January 05 2012 15:32 GreYMisT wrote: A Killer Cuppa Tea has replaced CookieMaker! Howdy y'all. I'm a little behind on the topic, so I'm gonna catch up and write up a nice big post for y'all later on today. Before that though: Hi! I'm AKillerCuppaTea, but you can call me Tea. I'm from the UK. My experience of mafia on TL is none whatsoever, but I have played a pretty large amount of games on a number of other forums as well as irc. Any questions you might have for me, please put here and I'll have a look at and answer then as soon as I can. Oh, and I don't know the circumstances of my replacement /shrug. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On January 05 2012 15:45 CatsnHats wrote: I'm sorry, I know I said I going to bed, but wat? That was unexpected. Could he just not play anymore? Cause he certainly wasn't inactive. The replacement was not forced upon him. further questions regarding the act of this replacement will be answered during the post game. | ||
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A Killer Cuppa Tea
97 Posts
1) in a number of the other forums I've played on, people tend to have easily visible avatars which I use to remember who their are (kinda puts a face to a name, making em easier to remember). Is there a way to do summat similar here or am I stuck with learning all your names? 2) is there a way to quote multiple posts at once easily? In one of the forums inplay on, there's a button you can click that adds each quote to a sorta clipboard and all the quotes appear when you click on Post Reply. I'm not being very clear here, but I don't know how else to ddescrkbe it. It's sorta an "Add-Quote" button. | ||
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
On January 05 2012 15:55 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote: Mmm. I have two questions actually. 1) in a number of the other forums I've played on, people tend to have easily visible avatars which I use to remember who their are (kinda puts a face to a name, making em easier to remember). Is there a way to do summat similar here or am I stuck with learning all your names? 2) is there a way to quote multiple posts at once easily? In one of the forums inplay on, there's a button you can click that adds each quote to a sorta clipboard and all the quotes appear when you click on Post Reply. I'm not being very clear here, but I don't know how else to ddescrkbe it. It's sorta an "Add-Quote" button. 1) You gotta go by name, the closest things to avatars are the sc units you see next to people's names. 2)You gotta click Quote so it opens in a new tab and cut and paste them together, atleast that's how I do it. | ||
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Blurry
Switzerland125 Posts
On January 05 2012 13:08 CookieMaker wrote: <snip> Finally when I stumble upon a clear winner for wishy-washy of the year award, you've already beaten me to it. Cats was going to be my big expose'. I may be a little late on this, but this is a clear tell for me that he is scum. The "I'm not contributing because you already took my points" is simply trying to absolve yourself from having to provide any analysis. ##Vote: CookieMaker | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
##vote:Xeris This is more of a pressure vote atm, since all his done is said he disagrees with RL and then says he doesn't want to lynch at all first day. Since all the pressure's been on cephira and CM he's been quiet. On January 05 2012 05:34 Xeris wrote: If there are legitimate concerns about someone on the first day, sure, I'd probably participate in a lynch. But I don't really see how you can determine that on the first day when you have basically NO information to go off. Further, because this is online mafia, you can't even read people the same way... I don't see how you can possibly get a good enough ready on someone in the first day, before any action has happened, enough to confidently lynch someone. On January 05 2012 05:34 Xeris wrote: If there are legitimate concerns about someone on the first day, sure, I'd probably participate in a lynch. But I don't really see how you can determine that on the first day when you have basically NO information to go off. Further, because this is online mafia, you can't even read people the same way... I don't see how you can possibly get a good enough ready on someone in the first day, before any action has happened, enough to confidently lynch someone. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
I talked about the badness of random lynching because the first few pages of posts kept mentioning random lynching. This thread balloons crazily and I don't have the time to read in detail every post. So when I see 15-20 posts about random number generators and lynching people, I want to explain why I think that's bad. Anyway, it seems like the suspicion points at Cephira and CM (who just got replaced?). Brb reading some of the posts more carefully Meh. I'm not convinced of anything. I'll follow along with a lynch if people are convinced and just going to go for it- but I stand by my belief of not killing on the first day. Seriously, thinking people are scummy because of stupid analysis skills and bad/inconsistent posts is really silly. Although perhaps I have no clue about online mafia, anyway that's basically it from me. Will check in the morning, glgl | ||
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A Killer Cuppa Tea
97 Posts
Allow me to state my stance on this (it differes massively from my predecessor, it seems). There are three ways we can handle D1. We can 1) No Lynch, 2) Mislynch or 3) Lynch Scum. It is not possible to Random Lynch. Why? Because Random implies that there is no reasoning behind the lynch and that it happens, almost spontaneously. It is already too late for this to happen. it is not an accident that i ordered the three things we can do in that order. I order them from Worst --> Best. I'll explain why: 1) No Lynch - This is badbadbad and we should never ever ever NL on any day that isn't a MYLO. The lynch is town's Primary Weapon. Not the cop. Not the doc. Not any other Power Role. The lynch. This is, when you get down to it, a game of the Uninformed Majority vs the Informed Minority. The Majority - town - has no information. The minority - scum - has a lot of information. The way to beat the minority? Information. How, then, do we gain information? Through cop results? Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy-no. Nevieer rely on a Power Role. That's silly. What you gonna do the one game that the cop dies N1? Roll over and die? No, the best form of information is the lynch for reasons i shall dictate below. 2) Mislynch - Oh no, we lynched town. Is it the end of the world? Nope. Not even if we lynch a PR (altho i hope we don't). Its not an ideal situation, but its nowhere near as bad as it may sound. Consider the following: 1) Scum must vote too. 2) Scum know who Scum are. 3) Scum will be eager to lynch Town* By analysing behaviour and how people vote, and in what order, and how they jump on and off wagons, it can be incredibly helpful to see who the Scum are. Now, i'm not claiming to be the best in votal analysis (That's a friend of mine, we cann him The Machine because of how damned consistent he is in finding scum), but i'm pretty decent at it. Here are a few pointers: --Scum doesn't like to start wagons. --Scum doesn't like voting next to each other --Scum will often jump onto a wagon on a townie early --Scum will often jump onto a wagon on a fellow scumate late. In fact, in my experiance playing mafia, i find that finding connections between people is much easier when we Mislynch then whren we actually hit scum. Although, thats just personal experiance, really. *Of course, this does not mean that they won't lynch scum in order to get on town's good side, but thats Wine. 3) Lynching Scum - yay, we're a scum down and even have a juicy wagon to analyse! Awesomesauce! So, what am i saying here? Lynch for the sake of lynching? Of course not, that's terrible!!! And i think this is the problem that most people who are Anti-D1-Lynch as Town have with Lynching. We make an Informed Lynch, not a Random Lynch. We ask everyone for their specific reasons for voting and if they ain't to par, we hold them to it. Now, i'm going to admit to a Thing here. I'm not the best scumhunter in the world. I tend to find more scum via mechanics then by actual hunting (hence the reason this post has been mostly a mechanics post then a read-post), but i've learned a great tool that helps me hunt scum. Questions! Seeing how people react to questions is incredibly informative. As such, i am going to ask the follow questions to everyone in the game, both to start conversation and also to give people reason to slip. Most of what i've read so far (i read the fikrst 8 pages and skimmed through the rest) have been mostly going back and forth over the same little things. i'm hoping these questions will bring some more information to the table. (Also, these questions aren't rolefishing because im asking them of everybody.) 1) If you were a Cop (could determine the alignment of somebody during the night), who's alignment would you check and why? 2) If you were a Doc (could save someone from a nightkill), who would you save and why? 3) If you were a Vigilante (town-aligned nightkill) who would you kill and why? 4) If you were a Town-Aligned Roleblocker (could prevent someone from using their night action for a night) who would you block, and why? (Also, remember, an RB can act as a soft-cop. If you block someone and there's no nightkill, you may have blocked the mafia's kill! (Yes i know there's no Vig or RB in this setup.)) 5) If you have a vote on someone currently, please explain your vote. 6) If you don't have a vote on somebody, please park your vote on someone. Have an opinion. It doesn't matter if you're wrong. Abstainance lets scum hide amongst you! I'll answer my own questions, as well as vote someone, and post some reads, when i have caught up proper (which should be later today). i thought i'd post a mechanics-related post before i caught up and posted reads to show y'all that i was here and also state my opinion on a discussion that occured before i joined the game. | ||
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Blurry
Switzerland125 Posts
1: I would check Cephiro as right now I am on the fence on whether or not he is scum. Also, confirming him as either innocent or guilty will more benefit us then any other player at this time as he seems to be the most solid of all the players under suspicion at the moment. 2: Probulous is the obvious choice as he has posted the most solid analysis thus far. 3: If I was a vigilante I would kill A Killer Cup of Tea as when CM was playing he was the most suspicious to me and I would have to go by who I was most certain of being scum. 4: Cephiro as it would function as a soft cop and would further implicate him if there was no kill (although prove nothing). Alternatively it could also clear him. 5: CM was the most suspicious in my books and as it has been made clear that an educated vote is the best way to go, the one that seems most scummy to me is CM. I will not change my vote to Cephiro to follow some as I have more certainty that CM/Tea is scummy. I'm driving back to VA from Montreal today so I can be active for maybe a few more hours but wont be for the rest of the day. | ||
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A Killer Cuppa Tea
97 Posts
I will not change my vote to Cephiro to follow some as I have more certainty that CM/Tea is scummy. I'm driving back to VA from Montreal today so I can be active for maybe a few more hours but wont be for the rest of the day. If you would be so kind, could you post a couple of lines as to what CM did that was so scummy? I'm sure i'll end up reading it anyways as i catch up, but i'd like it from the horse's mouth, so to speak. | ||
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Blurry
Switzerland125 Posts
On January 05 2012 13:08 CookieMaker wrote: Then it's a good thing I caught up before posting #3. Your evidence was everything I had against Cats. My plan was to transition out of "Sheth should have put more pressure on him" into "... and this is why". I felt like I was getting unlucky after analyzing 4-5 players and coming up with zero good scum reads and only 1-2 town reads (despite the consensus against Ceph, I'm still confident in my read). Finally when I stumble upon a clear winner for wishy-washy of the year award, you've already beaten me to it. Cats was going to be my big expose'. ##Vote for CatsnHats The "I don't have to post analysis because he already said it post" Other than that most of his posts have contributed nothing and have just been filler. Didn't post his reads on any players until he was pressured into doing it. | ||
Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On January 05 2012 14:43 Probulous wrote: Why Sheth  Just when you are looking good you write something that comes across really scummy. You are also making the same mistake I originally did, here are the setup options. Set Up: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town They can have a roleblocker with no blue roles. It just means that if someone is roleblocked, there are either no power roles or both DT and Medic. No point speculating now. I know you are heading to bed but who are your top 3 scum reads, please before tomorrow morning. Can we got a vote count please? I was suggesting here that "they" medic or detective should come out if they know more then just one mafia, such as one mafia and 3 confirmed town. Detective can figure this out a lot easier then medic, but medic can definitely find a lot of confirmed townies. I realize that just because there is a detective doesn't mean theres a medic or a RB even. I just meant that IF we get RB'ed and your a detective, we then know there's a medic. This should influence the DT's thoughts on coming out or not. I read through CookieMaker's / A K C T's filter. Cookie's filter looked a little bad. He talked a lot about his read on CatsNHats and then never posted it. A K C T I like that your asking questions, but could you please post a few reads you have as well? @Probulous my 3 scummiest right now are probably Cookie ( A K C T ) / Cephiro and / Maybe blurry... he hasn't posted much and I'm not convinced CatsNhats isn't just completely new to the game. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt while we have better people to pressure. 1) If you were a Cop (could determine the alignment of somebody during the night), who's alignment would you check and why? NOT Probulous, as I'd be worried he was going to die at night, I'd determine someone such as Gonzaw or Tunkeg. 2) If you were a Doc (could save someone from a nightkill), who would you save and why? I would save one of Probulous, Myself, Gonzaw and Tunkeg. 3) If you were a Vigilante (town-aligned nightkill) who would you kill and why? Probably no one, if I was forced to kill someone (Town CK) I'd probably kill A K C T (Cookie Maker) or Cephiro, depending on who we lynch. 4) If you were a Town-Aligned Roleblocker (could prevent someone from using their night action for a night) who would you block, and why? (Also, remember, an RB can act as a soft-cop. If you block someone and there's no nightkill, you may have blocked the mafia's kill! (Yes i know there's no Vig or RB in this setup.)) I'd probably RB either Cephiro or Cookie, depending on who we lynch. 5) If you have a vote on someone currently, please explain your vote. I have a vote on Cephiro. Its explained in two posts that I posted earlier + Prob's analysis. 6) If you don't have a vote on somebody, please park your vote on someone. Have an opinion. It doesn't matter if you're wrong. Abstainance lets scum hide amongst you! | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
Welcome to the game A Killer Cuppa Tea. | ||
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Blurry
Switzerland125 Posts
Staying on CM/Tea as I am still unsure about Cephiro. Other than that, I'm sorry I couldn't contribute more this first day as I am still new to this and am not sure what to look for in terms of reading players but by going over players posts I am getting a good idea and I'm sure my analysis quality will steadily improve over the course of the game. One thing that strikes me looking back at all this is CM voting for CatsinHats. If CM/Tea is indeed scum then I think this provides evidence towards cats not being scum as I dont think CM would have been that meta especially with the holes in his play he has already shown. This can't be assumed however so I would still be suspicious. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
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