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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
Oh look there goes the pressure. woosh. | ||
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
On June 16 2011 02:41 aidnai wrote: spam spam spam it's obvious this is what scum do when the thread moves 0.02 pages per hour morons On June 16 2011 02:57 aidnai wrote: Oh, I see you're back ILJ. The main issue I'm having now with your latest post is the disconnect between this: and this If you don't have a plausible case, why vote? ##Vote: aidnai for continuing to post useless content. You know that was hardly an analysis. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On June 16 2011 02:11 ~OpZ~ wrote: ##Vote Aidnai You post too much useless, obvious, info. Kita is obvious kill....He's pretty bangin. Stop bragging about how you sniped a blue. Hey, guess what? You're on the Zodiac List. Let's see some better analysis out of you. This is bandwagon shit which might have been overlooked had you not been on the list, but since you are, I feel the need to pressure you a little. You posted obvious info here while accusing him of posting obvious info. Step up your game. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
ILJ announced On June 16 2011 02:40 ilovejonn wrote: (...) ##Vote: GGQ. But instead half an hour later: On June 16 2011 03:09 ilovejonn wrote: ##Vote: Aidnai Looks kind of like he doesn´t want to put the first vote on GGQ, but is ok being the 3rd guy on aidnai. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
2:40 he announces "vote GGQ" in the thread, but didn´t vote in the voting thread. Then 30 minutes later at 3:09 he decided to announce "vote: aidnai" and then actually put it in the voting thread. | ||
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 16 2011 03:41 sinani206 wrote: Hey, guess what? You're on the Zodiac List. Let's see some better analysis out of you. This is bandwagon shit which might have been overlooked had you not been on the list, but since you are, I feel the need to pressure you a little. You posted obvious info here while accusing him of posting obvious info. Step up your game. Did you not read mine, BC's, and RoL's banter about that? Lol. You expect better from me? I'm getting a feel. I'm completely down to vote ILJ based on YM, and I'm not a fuckin sheep though. I don't like how Aidnai posted. I don't like how he's been posting. I don't like how over half of your posts were "defending" ILJ, and then you APOLOGIZED to YM....I wasn't bandwagoning shit, I just have a knack for posting exactly what Scamp posts...I think this is actually the third time it's happened. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 16 2011 03:41 sinani206 wrote: Hey, guess what? You're on the Zodiac List. Let's see some better analysis out of you. This is bandwagon shit which might have been overlooked had you not been on the list, but since you are, I feel the need to pressure you a little. You posted obvious info here while accusing him of posting obvious info. Step up your game. And one moooooooooooooore thing. Why does voting Aidnai make me suspicious and not Scamp? Because Scamp's on that same list....voted for the same reason I did......I just did it second....yet you call me out for that, and not him. By your logic you should have called him out too. So I will do that now. Scamp...You need to "step up your game," because "You're on the Zodiac List....I feel the need to pressure you a little," for posting "obvious infohere while accusing him of posting obvious info."... You didn't bandwagon though...but I didn't want to overlook you, because you were on that list. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:47 sinani206 wrote: Yeah I was actually going through the list and you were first. I would've done him next. Whatever. Mason me and I'll believe you. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On June 15 2011 15:09 sinani206 wrote: youngminii: Stop metagaming. Or at least if you have to, don't use it as your only argument. I can see why would be useful in some situations, but with a N0 start, playstyles will be drastically different. It's a good start for early pressure, but don't make it your only argument against anyone. ilovejonn: youngminii is the only one accusing you... Why are you responding with such a long argument? You should ignore accusations like that and just look for more scum. The fact that you are even responding at all is kind of scummy. Just ignore pressure accusations like that and scumhunt. No need for this defense. On June 15 2011 15:27 sinani206 wrote: Playstyles will be different. The fact that you have a chance of dying without knowing how much you have to defend yourself will change your playstyle, and affect it through the game. I know that discussion is necessary, but I still feel that time and brainpower are better spent scumhunting than defending yourself. Look for people that were scummy during the night time and pressure them. The pressure on ilovejonn is based on metagame and that is pretty much worthless with the PMs and N0 start. This game is different and you have to be able to accept that. You can't use metagaming as an easy way out to actually analysing players. On June 15 2011 16:13 sinani206 wrote: youngminii, I acknowledged that you were scumhunting and that ilovejonn wasn't. Those were the two bases for my previous posts. I was simply urging you to go beyond metagaming, which you have done, and for ilovejonn to start actually scumhunting, since he seems to have enough time to defend himself. You have done what I urged you to do and that is good. ilovejonn, however, has not. He is, even after my posts, defending himself more and more and this is scummy behavior. I apologize, youngminii, for not explaining myself clearly. You are doing fine. It is ilovejonn who needs to up his game. On June 16 2011 03:41 sinani206 wrote: Hey, guess what? You're on the Zodiac List. Let's see some better analysis out of you. This is bandwagon shit which might have been overlooked had you not been on the list, but since you are, I feel the need to pressure you a little. You posted obvious info here while accusing him of posting obvious info. Step up your game. ##Vote: Sinani206 Placing my vote here for now. For someone constantly calling out for scumhunting, you sure haven't done very much of it yourself. You also call out for more content in posts, while not providing any of your own. I judge people by their actions, not their intents, and when your actions don't line up with your intents, that looks scummy to me. Prove me wrong, and I'll consider changing my vote. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
Sinani has a good point about OpZ, and it applies to scamp as well in my opinion. Both zodiac list players, both voting for me with almost zero thread presence other than a one liner excuse for their vote. (scamp also did show some aggression towards GGQ but doesn't seem interested in following that up). Very disappointing to say the least -- every newb townie is like "hurr durr, this guy is active/vocal, he's suspicious, FOS", but why supposed vets are doing this is beyond me. Another, maybe bigger problem is that the other zodiac players (most of the town actually) are awol still... BC, wiggles, node, RoL? edit BEFORE post: ok, left this open for a while I was doing other stuff, I see it's been ninja'd severely, but I have to leave and can't change anything right now. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
After declining to post N0 (not inherently scummy, though i disagree with the reasoning) Sinani begins posting on the topic of ilovejonn, as brought up by Youngminii. he is referring to youngminii's analysis here On June 15 2011 15:09 sinani206 wrote: youngminii: Stop metagaming. Or at least if you have to, don't use it as your only argument. I can see why would be useful in some situations, but with a N0 start, playstyles will be drastically different. It's a good start for early pressure, but don't make it your only argument against anyone. ilovejonn: youngminii is the only one accusing you... Why are you responding with such a long argument? You should ignore accusations like that and just look for more scum. The fact that you are even responding at all is kind of scummy. Just ignore pressure accusations like that and scumhunt. No need for this defense. He criticizes the accusation and the defender, not really taking a stance. In the bolded sentences, he defends ilovejonn by stating that meta is not valid because of the night 0 start, but then calls ilovejonn scummy for defending himself. On June 15 2011 15:27 sinani206 wrote: Playstyles will be different. The fact that you have a chance of dying without knowing how much you have to defend yourself will change your playstyle, and affect it through the game. I know that discussion is necessary, but I still feel that time and brainpower are better spent scumhunting than defending yourself. Look for people that were scummy during the night time and pressure them. The pressure on ilovejonn is based on metagame and that is pretty much worthless with the PMs and N0 start. This game is different and you have to be able to accept that. You can't use metagaming as an easy way out to actually analysing players. Repeats what he said before, does the same thing, saying that the analysis is bad while saying that ilovejonn defending himself is not good play. The bolded phrase especially bothers me. Why would you say that? This makes me suspicious that he's trying to reassure us that he's town and knows how to play. Once youngminii calls him out for disregarding part of his analysis and telling people just to scumhunt instead of defend themselves, he gets defensive and apologetic. On June 15 2011 16:13 sinani206 wrote: youngminii, I acknowledged that you were scumhunting and that ilovejonn wasn't. Those were the two bases for my previous posts. I was simply urging you to go beyond metagaming, which you have done, and for ilovejonn to start actually scumhunting, since he seems to have enough time to defend himself. You have done what I urged you to do and that is good. ilovejonn, however, has not. He is, even after my posts, defending himself more and more and this is scummy behavior. I apologize, youngminii, for not explaining myself clearly. You are doing fine. It is ilovejonn who needs to up his game. This post is basically just sucking up to Youngminii. By agreeing with a vocal pro town player, he's attempting to make himself seem more pro town himself. Also, he's defending his actions when nobody is accusing him. Sinani is falsely contributing, attempting to blend in, and playing too safe. On June 15 2011 16:13 sinani206 wrote: It is ilovejonn who needs to up his game. On June 16 2011 03:41 sinani206 wrote: Step up your game. no u | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
I dunno about aidnai, I just can't fathom scum being THAT out there and spammy. I completely agree with you in that aidnai is just spamming but.. He's just so open about it. Think of it this way. If you were scum and you went for that style of play where you end up spamming a bit, would you admit that you were spamming? If a blue got sniped and you were indeed part of the mafia that sniped him, would you openly brag? I can't see ANYONE being that bad as mafia. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if aidnai were scum, he'd be the worst scum I've seen in a long time, which is a possibility I guess but not one I'm willing to vote for *at the current time*. Now as for sinani, he looks pretty scummy to me. Let's check the facts so far: He didn't post Night 0 and defended himself by claiming that there was no point in posting He told ilj to completely ignore my analysis and told me that my analysis was shit (paraphrasing) then did a complete 180 turn and apologised to me then told ilj to respond to my analysis He accused OpZ of bandwagoning and to show some better analysis. Try and look at these 3 points from the perspective of mafia and town. What incentive does a townie have to not post Night 0? Not much really. He argued "what's the point in posting wifom etc." but not only is that semi-nonsense (sure you should try and avoid spam but I'm sure you can post something of value) it doesn't really make logical sense. If you create wifom at Night 0, the people that get affected by it most are mafia. For point 2, why would a townie do this? First off, why in the world would a townie tell ilj to ignore my analysis? You can disagree with it, fine, but when there's literally no discussion going on, what's the point of ignoring it? From a mafia point of view, MAYBE ilj and sinani are both mafia, maybe sinani is just being proactive and coming to the defense of someone he knows is town (mafia like to look as townie as possible by semi-defending those that they know are town), I don't really know. The part where he flips it around and apologises to me strikes me as odd though. I don't feel as if he's wronged me in any way, why the apology? I can see this happening from a mafia that wants to regain my trust(?) or something? Anyway point 3, you can't tell someone to analyse people without having any posts with content ==;; I feel as if I've stretched out my points on this one a bit, but for what it's worth (WARNING: META) in SNMMIII I was absolutely 100% certain that sinani was town based off his posts from the first day. His town play that game was so town-like (to me at least, he got lynched that day so I guess others thought he was scum) which I cannot say the same for this game. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:56 aidnai wrote: Sinani has a good point about OpZ, and it applies to scamp as well in my opinion. Both zodiac list players, both voting for me with almost zero thread presence other than a one liner excuse for their vote. (scamp also did show some aggression towards GGQ but doesn't seem interested in following that up). Very disappointing to say the least -- every newb townie is like "hurr durr, this guy is active/vocal, he's suspicious, FOS", but why supposed vets are doing this is beyond me. Follow up aggression toward GGQ with what, exactly? I didn't like how much he seemed to value the PM system in this game. I asked for an example, he provided one, I still haven't changed my mind but I see his point. It really is a non-issue because our argument was more about how the game works rather than anything with the actual game. You, on the other hand, were playing like crap and I got you to cut that out. Are you scum that just got encouraged to play better? I'll decide that in the future. What I don't like is the implication that there is a good way to play and a bad one that vets can't do. While there may be some things you should never do there is no blueprint for how you play. I know you aren't the only one saying things like this but you mentioned me and I quoted you so you get put on notice. 1: You need thread presence to vote? News to me. 2: You're putting too much emphasis on the Zodiac thread. It's mostly just a list of experienced players that BC has seen before. Also I dunno if he ordered the list but if he did I was the last person on it. Obviously I barely made the cut. But anyway... 3: Experienced or no, you clearly have no idea of my history playing TL mafia and what I have done to earn recognition enough to make the list. More to the point, you don't know my strengths and weakness and overall playing style. So I don't see how you should be disappointed in my play unless you expect all vets to play a certain way. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 16 2011 07:09 Scamp wrote: Follow up aggression toward GGQ with what, exactly? I didn't like how much he seemed to value the PM system in this game. I asked for an example, he provided one, I still haven't changed my mind but I see his point. It really is a non-issue because our argument was more about how the game works rather than anything with the actual game. You, on the other hand, were playing like crap and I got you to cut that out. Are you scum that just got encouraged to play better? I'll decide that in the future. What I don't like is the implication that there is a good way to play and a bad one that vets can't do. While there may be some things you should never do there is no blueprint for how you play. I know you aren't the only one saying things like this but you mentioned me and I quoted you so you get put on notice. 1: You need thread presence to vote? News to me. 2: You're putting too much emphasis on the Zodiac thread. It's mostly just a list of experienced players that BC has seen before. Also I dunno if he ordered the list but if he did I was the last person on it. Obviously I barely made the cut. But anyway... 3: Experienced or no, you clearly have no idea of my history playing TL mafia and what I have done to earn recognition enough to make the list. More to the point, you don't know my strengths and weakness and overall playing style. So I don't see how you should be disappointed in my play unless you expect all vets to play a certain way. My list was in no way ordered in terms of skill, it was merely players I remembered were in the game as I was making it. However guys you are kinda looking at the thing a bit too seriously. It's meant to add pressure to us, but its not meant to make us do all the hardcore work for everyone. Scamps playstyle is not indicative to being the most vocal / active player pushing targets. Can he analyze? Yes. Does he make the same level of epic posts that you would see out of ver? not to my knowledge. You judge us by our actions and how we play not by which vets perform as you want them to. We each have different playstyles. Pressure us for sure, but don't expect our styles to meet what you expect unless the one you expect is the one we have done in most games we play. As for the current progression of the day. Youngmini good pressure on ILJ but its not enough to really push for his lynch at this point. The Post by post analysis you did just seems far to much like a tunnel for this early in the game. His general defense of himself is far worse than his posting before that but the general theme of townies these days seems to get pissed off and uncooperative when accused. Bad way to go but its the going trend. So far the only analysis that seems to have any glue behind it is on sinani. He needs to offer up some solid analysis for me to believe he had good intentions but bad way of expressing himself. I would like to say however that until he makes a post in the thread I will be sticking a vote on node. He didn't post anything serious during night 0 and he has been afk thus far into day 1. However I would like to get him talking. ##vote node | ||
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