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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 24 2012 18:14 GMT
#3101
On July 25 2012 03:13 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 03:10 rastaban wrote:
On July 25 2012 03:05 syllogism wrote:
Really katina, I'm a null read? That's amazing

well maybe if you would stop lurking and actually help out the town for once she could get a read on you...


you realize, that syllo and i (and VE to some extend, he however killed bh) were the driving force behind foolishness and palmars deaths? lurking? do you even read the thread?

I knew I should have appended a
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 24 2012 18:17 GMT
#3102
On July 25 2012 03:03 Katina wrote:
To answer a question I saw a few pages back, I'm not really leaning for sure Mafia on Syllo anymore after I went through his filter a while ago. I'm more of a null read on him right now and I wouldn't be up to lynch him at this moment since I have found others who are much more scummier to me. I don't think it's a good idea to lynch Zealos (atleast not right now) As I said there are others that should be lynched instead right now.

I feel strongly for a sloosh or gonzaw lynch as I have state before. I have seen some talk sbout Meapak and I wouldn't mind that either (Since he's on my list) but as for Zealos he hasn't been around for awhile so I will hold off on that until I see more from him. His filter can go either way... Either Mafia or misguided townie (I'm not positive on which one like Mattchew)

On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Gonzaw: I noticed that in the two pages of his filter he complains a lot about the how much chaos is in the thread but yet he does nothing about it. Instead Gonzaw often goes off and comes back eventually posts something then gone again. He talks a lot about other players in the game but never hard pushes anyone. Gonzaw makes long posts that basically ramble on certain player and by the end I have forgotten what I have read. He tries to look useful with his posts but in the end they are just taking up space. He throws doubt around the town and takes off when he has done his job. I'm aware that he said he was away this weekend and can't be here to properly defend himself.

this is literally all you have said about Gonzaw in terms of how you define his alignment. The first part can be attributed to his lack of time (to read and to post) and the 2nd part is like literally the most typical town Gonzaw-like play ever, meaning you have not taken account for his meta or previous games.

On July 23 2012 09:13 Katina wrote:
I don't think I believe sloosh's claim. He doesn't say much all game then comes in when foolishness dies and claims he killed him. I'm more inclined to believe supersoft. sloosh made it on my Mafia list. I think VE is probably town and Mattchew might be as well just extremely misguided same goes for rastaban. Palmar needs to be lynched today then one of the following next:

Sloosh
Meapak
Gonzaw
Layabout
risk.nuke

This is all you've said about sloosh. You don't believe his claim. You don't have reason for why you don't believe his claim, you just... dont?

Katina, you are pushing lynches that you have just about not commented on. And now syllo is null, and rastaban says he hasn't done anything lol.




I forgot to mention at any point that I did not want to lynch Gonzaw day 1 because I was playing in another game (I cant believe its not themed) and I was scum, and I was pushing Gonzaw for lynch on the same principals that he was being pushed for here.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 24 2012 18:18 GMT
#3103
On July 25 2012 03:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Guys there's something strange going on with Chez.

He's promising to "shape up" now? Really?

We just killed 3 scum in one cycle. THREE SCUM IN ONE CYCLE.

Whatever the piss we're doing, we're doing it right. Now isn't the time to change things up, if you're a townie.

Conversely if you're scum, something is going horribly horribly wrong.

Between the two, who do you think is more likely to change it up and "shape up" now?


But what if his promise to change things up is actually him being the same and continue to troll.

I have a really big town read on chez this game, unless he starts stearing people wrong I don't see any reason to change that. Probulous has already pointed out some efforts chez has made on our behalf and his meta this game fits with his town power role meta from previous games.

If this change ends up town then yeah, maybe we do re-examine it, but we haven't seen this change yet so lets see what becomes of it.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 24 2012 18:21 GMT
#3104
EBWOP: If this change ends up hurting town then yeah


Also Mattchew, maybe you are right on Katina, that last post by her was... surprising.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 24 2012 18:24 GMT
#3105
On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 02:21 HiroPro wrote:
On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak


Explain the case to me then please.

He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak.

It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time.

It doesn't get much more passive than this:

Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 20 2012 04:01 HiroPro wrote:
MZ, you think Zealos is scum?

I do actually. He came in, was under some pressure, and then promptly checked out once he was safe. To me that's always extremely scummy. If you were a serious lynch target you had better work your ass off to give town reason to keep you around next time. Zealos hasn't done that.


Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread.

Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you.


At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos.

Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all.


Ok, I think your points about MZ starting the blame game on people who started the gonzaw wagon when he himself relied on sandroba's read on gonzaw and not following up at all on people "who threw their vote away" are good. And MZ is a more likely executive than Mandalor/Zealos. I'm fine with lynching MZ tomorrow.



On July 25 2012 03:03 Katina wrote:
To answer a question I saw a few pages back, I'm not really leaning for sure Mafia on Syllo anymore after I went through his filter a while ago. I'm more of a null read on him right now and I wouldn't be up to lynch him at this moment since I have found others who are much more scummier to me. I don't think it's a good idea to lynch Zealos (atleast not right now) As I said there are others that should be lynched instead right now.

I feel strongly for a sloosh or gonzaw lynch as I have state before. I have seen some talk sbout Meapak and I wouldn't mind that either (Since he's on my list) but as for Zealos he hasn't been around for awhile so I will hold off on that until I see more from him. His filter can go either way... Either Mafia or misguided townie (I'm not positive on which one like Mattchew)


Katina, why is mattchew a "misguided townie"?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 24 2012 18:24 GMT
#3106
I don't think her "null read" on me is particularly meaningful, especially since I don't know her well. I don't think mafia can hope to discredit me at this point, so perhaps she just hasn't given the topic much thought.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 24 2012 18:40 GMT
#3107
Scum don't know other scum. Lest we forget. Scumhunting doesn't clear you syllo.

I'm a little salty about no one listening to me but meh...maybe you will listen to a dead guy.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 24 2012 18:43 GMT
#3108
I think gonzaw and hiro are scum.
I'm gonna actually put something together as to why after dinner.
On the internet if you disagree with or dislike something you're angry and taking it too seriously. == Join TLMafia !
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 24 2012 18:43 GMT
#3109
On July 25 2012 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Scum don't know other scum. Lest we forget. Scumhunting doesn't clear you syllo.

I'm a little salty about no one listening to me but meh...maybe you will listen to a dead guy.

Are you referring to chez, or something else?
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 24 2012 19:35 GMT
#3110
On July 25 2012 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Scum don't know other scum. Lest we forget. Scumhunting doesn't clear you syllo.

I'm a little salty about no one listening to me but meh...maybe you will listen to a dead guy.

Whatever you do, don't suicide into me. Sloosh is a better target.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 24 2012 19:43 GMT
#3111
There is absolutely no reason for anyone to suicide into anyone right now.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 24 2012 20:07 GMT
#3112
On July 25 2012 04:35 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Scum don't know other scum. Lest we forget. Scumhunting doesn't clear you syllo.

I'm a little salty about no one listening to me but meh...maybe you will listen to a dead guy.

Whatever you do, don't suicide into me. Sloosh is a better target.

Why? You keep calling me that without really explaining yourself, piggybacking off shallow speculations. How am I a better, or even at all a good target?
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
July 24 2012 20:13 GMT
#3113
On July 25 2012 05:07 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 04:35 Chezinu wrote:
On July 25 2012 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Scum don't know other scum. Lest we forget. Scumhunting doesn't clear you syllo.

I'm a little salty about no one listening to me but meh...maybe you will listen to a dead guy.

Whatever you do, don't suicide into me. Sloosh is a better target.

Why? You keep calling me that without really explaining yourself, piggybacking off shallow speculations. How am I a better, or even at all a good target?

You were a good target when I thought BH killed Foolishness.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 24 2012 20:16 GMT
#3114
Hiro - I have things to say!
With 9 pages of filter, you might expect that hiro has been influential this game, in finding scum and being generally pro town. Instead, he's spent a ton of time repeating what everyone already thinks, in the guise of hunting scum. For instance:
On Zealos: + Show Spoiler +
marv what do you think of this. You've caught Zealos before when you were town. Do you think he's playing the same way here?

Everyone please read the last 3/4 page with Zealos and his filter. He's scum.

VE/austin, please read pages 73-74 and tell me what you think of Zealos.

I like the idea of killing Zealos before Kurumi.

lol Foolishness. No CEO dawg, we lynch Zealos.

BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game.


The last quote especially just seems to be a vague statement about how he thinks he is being pro town. He has never come up with his own argument for anyone being scum. He is very keen to stress how I should be getting lynched. Why would a mafia player want to make sure I am lynched above anyone else. Because he doesn't know the rest of his team. He can't risk calling anyone else out in case they flip red. Yes, I hear you say that he wouldn't know whether I am mafia or not, however, the worst that can happen by killing me is if I turn out to be a minion that everyone already thought was mafia anyway.

He's basically trying to hide away from making any real reads or cases by just running with the "These guys are clearly confirmed scum so we should just ignore everything else"

On July 25 2012 02:21 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak


Explain the case to me then please.

^.^ Otherwise known as, "Oh shit, Meapak could be mafia, better focus everyone's attention back to Zealos"


Gonzaw is sorta got some similarities with Hiro, not to mention things that have been talked about by other people, so he is also looking red to me, however, I would prefer a hiro lynch.
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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 24 2012 20:20 GMT
#3115
On July 25 2012 05:13 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 05:07 slOosh wrote:
On July 25 2012 04:35 Chezinu wrote:
On July 25 2012 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Scum don't know other scum. Lest we forget. Scumhunting doesn't clear you syllo.

I'm a little salty about no one listening to me but meh...maybe you will listen to a dead guy.

Whatever you do, don't suicide into me. Sloosh is a better target.

Why? You keep calling me that without really explaining yourself, piggybacking off shallow speculations. How am I a better, or even at all a good target?

You were a good target when I thought BH killed Foolishness.

That doesn't explain how I'm a target. Are you talking about this?
On July 22 2012 13:14 Chezinu wrote:
oh VE, you so crazed! Why you be occupying the streets?

On July 22 2012 10:01 Protactinium wrote:
Hired hit man (dreamflower)

You are an evil, evil, bureaucrat, employed in human resources. The ruthless and efficient company managers wish to promote efficiency and productivity...by killing their most unproductive employees! Luckily you are the man for the job. Once per game, you may assassinate a fellow employee by poisoning the office coffee machine. But there's a catch: if you accidentally kill an innocent civilian employee, the comapny will betray you and deny that you ever worked for them, forcing you to jump off the building to avoid a trial (commit suicide). On the other hand, if you manage to poison a company employee (mafia), your boss will arrange to have the company lawyer blame it on a crazed Occupy Wall Street protestor and reward you with your coworker's (quite generous) pension (in others words, live and look awesome). Naturally, you do not have to use your power.

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 24 2012 20:27 GMT
#3116
On July 25 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:
Hiro - I have things to say!
With 9 pages of filter, you might expect that hiro has been influential this game, in finding scum and being generally pro town. Instead, he's spent a ton of time repeating what everyone already thinks, in the guise of hunting scum. For instance:
On Zealos: + Show Spoiler +
marv what do you think of this. You've caught Zealos before when you were town. Do you think he's playing the same way here?

Everyone please read the last 3/4 page with Zealos and his filter. He's scum.

VE/austin, please read pages 73-74 and tell me what you think of Zealos.

I like the idea of killing Zealos before Kurumi.

lol Foolishness. No CEO dawg, we lynch Zealos.

BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game.


The last quote especially just seems to be a vague statement about how he thinks he is being pro town. He has never come up with his own argument for anyone being scum. He is very keen to stress how I should be getting lynched. Why would a mafia player want to make sure I am lynched above anyone else. Because he doesn't know the rest of his team. He can't risk calling anyone else out in case they flip red. Yes, I hear you say that he wouldn't know whether I am mafia or not, however, the worst that can happen by killing me is if I turn out to be a minion that everyone already thought was mafia anyway.

He's basically trying to hide away from making any real reads or cases by just running with the "These guys are clearly confirmed scum so we should just ignore everything else"

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 02:21 HiroPro wrote:
On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak


Explain the case to me then please.

^.^ Otherwise known as, "Oh shit, Meapak could be mafia, better focus everyone's attention back to Zealos"


Gonzaw is sorta got some similarities with Hiro, not to mention things that have been talked about by other people, so he is also looking red to me, however, I would prefer a hiro lynch.

How is what you are doing different from what hiro is doing? Also, any reason why you doctored Sandroba's message when you posted it?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 24 2012 20:27 GMT
#3117
Who would you like to lynch tomorrow, Sloosh? What did you mean exactly by this

On July 25 2012 02:47 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 16:06 Protactinium wrote:
-Minions have no knowledge. However, they each may have an ability. The three executive officers have no innate abilities.

Reviewed the OP / flips - it could even be less than that.

Thoughts on risk.nuke as the next GGQ?

austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 24 2012 20:36 GMT
#3118
VE, how much of your scumread on chez rests on roles being mirrored?

I agree that it's an odd time to change behavior and stop trolling. I agree that he's not really pushing his lynches hard (Except for cheerleading the D1 BH lynch attempt).

But when Chez initially proposed mirrored roles, a lot of it was based upon RoL/Kurumi being town/mafia nukes, or town dud/mafia real nuke. + Show Spoiler +
On July 20 2012 14:16 Chezinu wrote:
hmmm 3 executives that can message...3 workers in the department of communication for town..
1 mafia nuker... 1 dud nuker town...


so.. 1 town Judge (pardoner) ... one mafia..... oh noes!!@! kurumi might not die!


but then there is the ninja mind controlling vote stealing thief...

On July 20 2012 14:18 Chezinu wrote:
what if kurumi was one of us?
what if kurumi was one of us?

then the pattern would be broken..

On July 20 2012 14:47 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 14:44 Blazinghand wrote:
Wait so did Chez message me? or was that some other guy? Sandro says it wasn't him.

Isn't it funny how the CEO has the names of the roles of the mafia and like there is possibly a townie who could have a list of them be roles? if the mirror is true.. if and only if kurumi is mafiaz. then as nuke to dud rocket... list of roles is to...
On July 21 2012 05:44 Chezinu wrote:
If kurumi is innocent.. then the mirror roles could be false.. if kurumi is pardoned.. or "vetoed" then.. yeah... If mafia.. then mafia is going to die..

if kurumi is innocent:

town has 3 communicators, a nuke, a dud rocket, and a judge.



Given that, I don't know how much sandroba flipping town and Chez backing off the mirror theory gets you. The mirrored roles bit was already untrue, based on Chez's reasoning for proposing it, when Kurumi flipped town, so there was no reason for him to keep pushing it. I also didn't see him pushing it between Kurumi's flip and Sandro's flip.
Fe fi fo fum.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 24 2012 20:41 GMT
#3119
There's much better people to lynch. Not sure why we are focusing so much on Syllogism. I don't know why my read on him makes me wrong. I read back over his filter a few days ago and it was too derpy for me to make anything of it at that time. I will look at him again D4 when I have a clear head. As for now though, I'm not too concerned about him.

supersoft: I still got this, dear.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 24 2012 20:44 GMT
#3120
On July 25 2012 05:27 syllogism wrote:
Who would you like to lynch tomorrow, Sloosh? What did you mean exactly by this

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 02:47 slOosh wrote:
On July 02 2012 16:06 Protactinium wrote:
-Minions have no knowledge. However, they each may have an ability. The three executive officers have no innate abilities.

Reviewed the OP / flips - it could even be less than that.

Thoughts on risk.nuke as the next GGQ?


Current list is layabout, Meapak, Zealos, BM, risk.nuke.
With risk it looks like he is skating by with minimal involvement - half his recent filter are questions. He is the cause of VE mistaking him for a vig but never bothered to clarify himself, so either he isn't reading or doesn't care. The reference to GGQ is that risk is flying under everyone's radars, yet doing enough to not get modkilled.
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