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EBWOP:
On November 29 2011 23:23 Serejai wrote:
All remaining town vets will likely be killed tonight by you scum players, this leaving no town vets for tomorrow. The mafia vets will then be free to control town as they please with no opposition. We need to take out two mafia vets today while we can.
Hopefully the medics will do a better job tonight.
On November 29 2011 23:05 DeadlyPsycho wrote:
Actually a mod confirmed that names CAN be part of a clue.
For those who missed it:
On November 22 2011 12:58 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 12:52 MrZentor wrote:Very, very major rule change. This game will now INCLUDE clues. I highly suggest sprucing up your profile now. I will take screenshots of everyone's profiles and link them in the OP at the start of the game.
Also due to a potential issue with scum vigilantes it has been decided that vigilante shots that stack will not be refunded Can somebody explain what "clues" are and what it has to do with profiles? Thanks! Clues appear in the day post, the point to the identity of the people who committed kills that night (scum or vigilantes), they are usually rather vague references to things in a players profile, or if the player lacks a profile to the players name.
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People who I will from now on pretend don't exist:
Serjai
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On November 29 2011 23:50 Palmar wrote:
People who I will from now on pretend don't exist:
Serjai
I'm ok with that. After all, it will only last another 12 hours until your lynch tonight. Then, when you flip scum, I'll have an easier time convincing the other townies to lynch your scumbuddies tomorrow.
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On November 29 2011 23:37 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 22:29 annul wrote:
edited for formatting and an incorrect calculation ...the fuck? We already got one town modkilled for being stupid and you do something equally stupid?!
the tally post should not be considered "game-related" -- it should be seen as neutral information. i saw an error in addition and fixed it. the "don't edit shit" rule is in place to prevent people from not having accountability for game-related things they say. the rule does not apply here.
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On November 29 2011 23:40 sandroba wrote:
Unless your name is serejai you need to come to the thread and post more.
If no vigs shoot serejai by tomorrow I'll be extremelly dissapointed.
Agree.
I've come to the conclusion that serejai is not the best lynch target today, so i will be taking my vote off of him and voting zeks. Pretty obvious choice atm, with the clue added to what everyone else has said about his play, he makes more sense than serejai, who at this point might either be mafia, or just trolling.
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On November 29 2011 23:48 xtfftc wrote:For those who missed it: Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 12:58 GMarshal wrote:On November 22 2011 12:52 MrZentor wrote:Very, very major rule change. This game will now INCLUDE clues. I highly suggest sprucing up your profile now. I will take screenshots of everyone's profiles and link them in the OP at the start of the game.
Also due to a potential issue with scum vigilantes it has been decided that vigilante shots that stack will not be refunded Can somebody explain what "clues" are and what it has to do with profiles? Thanks! Clues appear in the day post, the point to the identity of the people who committed kills that night (scum or vigilantes), they are [b]usually[b] rather vague references to things in a players profile, or if the player lacks a profile to the players name.
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or not, fuck me i am so shit at formatting
Clues appear in the day post, the point to the identity of the people who committed kills that night (scum or vigilantes), they are usually rather vague references to things in a players profile, or if the player lacks a profile to the players name.
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On November 28 2011 21:55 annul wrote:
again, neither palmar nor ace is the proper lynch for today. in the future who knows. not today.
zeks and xtf are the primary targets. that guy with the hello kitty knife picture might replace xtf if you wish (i forgot who had it). but these are the only targets. thats it. do not deviate from this.
the debate that goes on later today will be great for lynching ON FUTURE DAYS. remember that, and do NOT let palmar -- or ace -- sway you from this.
I replied to this post yesterday and said I'd have to re-read xtf to see if there's anything about him that justifies annul's position.
xtf has very little chance of flipping scum.
He has been transparent, willing to call people out on bullshit. His run for elections seemed as genuine as they get. He has been posting analysis of his reads and everything he's said has been backed up by explanations.
So no, xtf is not a primary target, he's actually one of the absolutely last targets for today.
His filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=72373
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i am fine moving off of xtf for the time being. his potential clue is not as strong as zeks'. of course, i FOSed xtf night 1, but i see his wagon isnt rolling and right now we need to get people off of you and onto someone else.
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let me confirm this, first, palmar:
you intend to use double lynch tonight so that it is active on day 3 as well, yes?
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On November 30 2011 00:01 annul wrote:
let me confirm this, first, palmar:
you intend to use double lynch tonight so that it is active on day 3 as well, yes?
Of course, the only debate I had initially was if it's to be used days 2-5 or 3-6. From day 3 there is no reason not to double lynch.
This game already has stupid balance, like seriously stupid. Those double lynches should be quadruple lynches, to counteract 8 mafia kp. And town KP roles don't make up for that because you can't rely on lone rangers shooting correctly.
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Palmar, I'm interested to know what your stand is against what you said earlier, that if ace flips town, you are mafia? You said so yourself, one is mafia and the other town.
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On November 29 2011 23:29 sandroba wrote:
Xfttc who do you want to lynch. you realize moving the lynch to someone who has no votes so far is not going to happen.
My first vote is going for supersoft. His posts are full of fluff, he is careful not to irritate anyone and not to attract too much attention, and tries hard to post without taking a stance. I will post a longer analysis on him after I'm done catching up with the thread.
My other vote was going to be zeks but while reading the last few pages I realised that I was sheeping.
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Why would anyone want to kill palmar, our mayor? As long as he does what we as town say him to do, we have no reason to kill him. I really don't get all these votes on him atm.
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On November 30 2011 00:06 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 23:29 sandroba wrote:
Xfttc who do you want to lynch. you realize moving the lynch to someone who has no votes so far is not going to happen. My first vote is going for supersoft. His posts are full of fluff, he is careful not to irritate anyone and not to attract too much attention, and tries hard to post without taking a stance. I will post a longer analysis on him after I'm done catching up with the thread. My other vote was going to be zeks but while reading the last few pages I realised that I was sheeping.
Why the fuck are you afraid of sheeping?
What does that even mean? If the reasons for killing someone are good, sheeping is good. Didn't I just say I had a town read on you? Gonna ruin that right away?
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On November 29 2011 23:49 xtfftc wrote:EBWOP: Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 23:23 Serejai wrote:
All remaining town vets will likely be killed tonight by you scum players, this leaving no town vets for tomorrow. The mafia vets will then be free to control town as they please with no opposition. We need to take out two mafia vets today while we can. Hopefully the medics will do a better job tonight. Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 23:05 DeadlyPsycho wrote:
Actually a mod confirmed that names CAN be part of a clue. For those who missed it: Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 12:58 GMarshal wrote:On November 22 2011 12:52 MrZentor wrote:Very, very major rule change. This game will now INCLUDE clues. I highly suggest sprucing up your profile now. I will take screenshots of everyone's profiles and link them in the OP at the start of the game.
Also due to a potential issue with scum vigilantes it has been decided that vigilante shots that stack will not be refunded Can somebody explain what "clues" are and what it has to do with profiles? Thanks! Clues appear in the day post, the point to the identity of the people who committed kills that night (scum or vigilantes), they are usually rather vague references to things in a players profile, or if the player lacks a profile to the players name.
Yes, and at the time of the night post, I believe I checked prplhz's profile and found it to be empty, however im not 100% sure.
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On November 30 2011 00:06 DeadlyPsycho wrote:
Palmar, I'm interested to know what your stand is against what you said earlier, that if ace flips town, you are mafia? You said so yourself, one is mafia and the other town.
My stand is that apparently Ace is an asshole who refused to re-visit his stance (remember, I asked medics to protect him, because I though once he read my arguments he would realize I'm obvious town). When he didn't re-evaluate, I figured he was probably scum, but I forgot the options that aren't town and scum (namely asshole, and troll).
Now I did not expect him to get himself modkilled. But use your brain for a second, what does it mean that I said what I said?
Think hard before you post again.
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On November 29 2011 23:39 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 23:31 zeks wrote:On November 29 2011 23:12 Palmar wrote:On November 29 2011 23:05 sandroba wrote:
I agree lynching zeks and risen. Zeks may not be scum, but I'm willing to take a chance. Risen activity spiked like hell now that the heat is on and he came in and posted several coherent posts. Pretty sure he is mafia, despite w/e scum slip. Don't have a good reason for risk to be mafia at this point. He fos'ed that steven dude who I think is scummy as shit. What makes you say Zeks may not be scum? Last night you were pretty suspicious of him? You and I both know that while not applicable as scumtell, it's pretty common for mafia to disappear over the night, which is exactly what you did. I'm listening though, if you have any solid reasoning to back it up. The only thing making me hesitate on Risen is the fact Ace was considering opposing the wagon on him. Ace can't have been wrong on everything. did you read my post on how prplhz's play is far removed from what I've come to know as his normal town play? What kind of logic is lynching me and I may not be scum? Can't believe I'm going down on 95% clues...sigh I'm disappointed to say the least. I'm just going to say right now that this is a terrible mistake town is making and a big waste of a lynch. Judging from the tone of some of your posts I might've been DT checked last night and returned scum/guilty (I won't say by who)... if so please consider your sanity / or the possibility I'm Miller! I guess that person probably thinks whatever I am it doesn't really matter - at the very least he can verify his sanity or something. Honestly other than that I know I couldn't have been pegged on clues alone - town knows better than that. As for defending myself I don't know what I can say more; the clues and my profile are there - you guys can link them together however you want. As many vets have said clues can't be completely trusted as a basis for a lynch as mods tend to make them vague...but if this is how its going to be then so be it. I've been as sincere as possible when posting and other people have acted way scummier than me (despite my activity) and also have clues pegged on them yet they're getting away spot free. No one is saying you're confirmed scum, however you almost talk like you know you're guilty. Unless I'm misunderstanding your words, you ASSUME that you have been DT checked and found guilty, which is straight up baffling. because no one ever assumes they are guilty, unless they have a reason to.
Uh, that's plain wrong? He said this in reply to a person who has been tunneling him for the last 24 hours while relying on nothing but a single clue.
I do agree that it's a bit scummy to say it like this.... It' sounds like he is trying to give annul the opportunity to stop it without losing face (because he may have gotten a wrong DT check or perhaps because he is being too vocal and might attract a blue snipe this way).
On November 29 2011 23:43 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 23:37 xtfftc wrote:On November 29 2011 22:29 annul wrote:
edited for formatting and an incorrect calculation ...the fuck? We already got one town modkilled for being stupid and you do something equally stupid?! That's a voting tally. WTF are you trying to do.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
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On November 30 2011 00:08 DeadlyPsycho wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 23:49 xtfftc wrote:EBWOP: On November 29 2011 23:23 Serejai wrote:
All remaining town vets will likely be killed tonight by you scum players, this leaving no town vets for tomorrow. The mafia vets will then be free to control town as they please with no opposition. We need to take out two mafia vets today while we can. Hopefully the medics will do a better job tonight. On November 29 2011 23:05 DeadlyPsycho wrote:
Actually a mod confirmed that names CAN be part of a clue. For those who missed it: On November 22 2011 12:58 GMarshal wrote:On November 22 2011 12:52 MrZentor wrote:Very, very major rule change. This game will now INCLUDE clues. I highly suggest sprucing up your profile now. I will take screenshots of everyone's profiles and link them in the OP at the start of the game.
Also due to a potential issue with scum vigilantes it has been decided that vigilante shots that stack will not be refunded Can somebody explain what "clues" are and what it has to do with profiles? Thanks! Clues appear in the day post, the point to the identity of the people who committed kills that night (scum or vigilantes), they are usually rather vague references to things in a players profile, or if the player lacks a profile to the players name. Yes, and at the time of the night post, I believe I checked prplhz's profile and found it to be empty, however im not 100% sure.
Stop discussing irrelevant shit.
prplhz is scum, but I doubt I can get him lynched today.
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Well my life has decided to spit at me as I had no web at home last night. I hate quest. Anyways, I am VERY GLAD that Ace was mod killed. I PM'd the mods and had made it clear that I would probably quit if he wasn't MK'd for the same reasons that I would quit any online team game where one of my allies siad near the start, "Hey its ok I can see where they are with my maphack." The particular rule that Ace broke is actually one of the most game breaking in some ways. For instance, in my notes after I read that I just typed, "Confirmed Cheater and Confirmed Town." I have never once in years of playing mafia seen someone pull that stunt and not be truthful. The only other type of cheating tactic that I have seen be as effective at breaking the game is posting your role after encrypting it via an online cypher and then revealing the key later (btw if anyone does this they have no honor, its not in the rules of this game but it is in the unspoken rules of internet mafia not to do this). I am here to play some mafia. I am not here to sit through a nice ez mode game.
Now I brought my notes to work and got here an hour early. Here is my thoughts on some key issues thus far:
Palmer-I didn't know you got 3 votes per day till just now. That is huge. That is more important than your double lynches in some ways because it can really give the town an end game advantage. If you die and you are town then the mafia has gotten such a large boost. I don't agree with all of your points thus far but learning that you have 3 votes per day was enough for me to not vote you today... but we need to do something about you soon. If you are scum then you will gain a huge amount of control once the double lynches are used up.
I read your campaign as a power grab for reasons of personal desire. I can't really say that is a scum or town tell. Alot of people are saying it is a scum tell. Alot of people are mad about your choice of day 1 lynch... The only things we really discussed day 1 was who to elect and then right towards the end of things there was a brief discussion about who to have killed. I usually give people a pass on their day 1 votes until such time as some kind of pattern is found (day 1 votes are never enough by themselves in other words) because it is the vote that is based off the smallest amount of information in the game. You choosing YT feels no different to me. I might be biased because I thought YT wasn't even a bad choice but even if you had chosen someone I felt was pretty townie I wouldn't find that to be very conclusive. I do appreciate that you did choose someone and try to justify it. The easy way out for a mafia player in that situation would be to hold some kind of last minute vote (Hey guys post who you want me to kill in thread, we have 45 minutes left Ill choose whoever you say) or to do something like RNG it. What you did was a real move that we get to look at and question. I much prefer that especially given the power of your office.
I really think it is overall a bad move to lynch Palmer at this point. 3 Votes in the end game and double lynches in the early game is just WAY to much power to give up. It might even be game breaking, whichever side you are on Palmer might be given the win. Assuming that either side CAN win the election, the setup should be balanced WIHTOUT a mayor. That means the mayor's power is outside of balance and as I have already said it is a VERY powerful role.
Zeks-I haven't really played with clues before. It feels like to solid of logic to ignore right now, especially given the early game nature of the game right now and thus lack of good info. I want to see your flip in order to better understand if we are using the clues correctly or overly trusting in them. The fact that I don't really see your posts as helpful or insightful as of yet helps me to feel safe in this. I hate that I am voting based on ANYTHING besides scum hunting but ya.
Could you possibly go ahead and claim/post some more? I would love to see your thoughts on as many players as possible and if ARE town and a power role I would like to know. I don't see you living past today, if it turns out to look like you WILL live then go ahead and hold off. I would just like your thoughts/claim before you flip so that I can look at the info you put out in light of said flip.
Heir-
I did not like you day 1 and I still don't really like your play today. I feel like one of the clue's points to you very strongly (Blind in your profile and Blindfold clue). If Zeks flips scum I will be really interested in looking at your posts under a microscope. As it is, I feel stronger about you flipping scum than I do Zeks when i look at you two without the clues in mind. I feel like your tone day 1 was one of that of one that knew way more about who is what alignment than I did and that just bothers the fuck out of my mind. You are getting my vote and I would HIGHLY encourage alot of these lurk then post style players to consider switching from Palmer to you.
Kurumi-
Saying that annul is confirmed town was dumb as hell. I will be looking at you closer from now on. That post where you said that screamed to me SCUM GAMBIT TO THROUGH TOWN OFF. The only saving grace for you (and it really is a good saving grace as I have learned over the years) is that I can see you just being dumb. Dumb things get posted by bad town players. I personally find you more dumb than scummy for now but I you are getting looked at again for sure.
##vote: Zeks
##vote: Heir
That is the longest post I have ever done via a phone wow.
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