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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
Mattchew (0): Keirathi (1): Drazerk (2): Nisani201, austinmcc (0): strongandbig (1): Drazerk JingleHell (2): ghost_403 (1): iamperfection iamperfection (3): gonzaw (1): JingleHell Nisani201 (1): Keirathi The following players have not voted: Crossfire99 . At the end of the deadline, all nonvoters will be counted as voting for no lynch, and they will be forcibly replaced. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 02 2012 03:59 Drazerk wrote: Replaced by a potato or a lemon? Replaced by a corrupted core. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
"89% of magic tricks are not magic Technically, they are sorcery." -Fact Sphere | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 02 2012 02:32 austinmcc wrote: I don't like Mattchew for scum, he's my strongest town-read right now. I don't like gonzaw for scum atm, although it'll take more time to figure that one out. I don't like me for scum, because I'm not. So those posts are out. Care to give some reasoning for those reads? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 02 2012 03:53 JingleHell wrote: You know, that's actually an intriguing point. Mind explaining, austin? Found Mattchew's question to be real but posed in a silly way (What is your read on iamperfection?). Gave him a real answer, but started with a silly beginning. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 02 2012 04:12 austinmcc wrote: Found Mattchew's question to be real but posed in a silly way (What is your read on iamperfection?). Gave him a real answer, but started with a silly beginning. I could buy that answer, but it still doesn't explain why after your Vote+Unvote, you kept talking about iamperfection like you wanted to lynch him. On October 02 2012 01:43 austinmcc wrote: Why am I voting iamperfection over others? *snip* Why am I lynching iamperfection over the other two? *snip* That was your first mention of him, and you seemed to be saying that you thought he was the scummiest of the 3 "lurker" and that one of them was almost certainly scum. But immediately afterwards, you started talking about JH and in your next post, you hopped on the JH wagon. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 02 2012 04:09 Keirathi wrote: Something else for austin to answer: Care to give some reasoning for those reads? On Mattchew, it's a couple of his posts. In particular, this one: On October 02 2012 00:40 Mattchew wrote: I'd just mentioned not liking drazerk/snb being so focused on each other:I would like you to completely drop S&B from your vocab until tomorrow and literally forget he is in the game. I think this will improve your play and allow you to look at the game better. On October 02 2012 00:31 austinmcc wrote: The fact that Mattchew was similarly critical gives me a townie feel. Drazerk's questions the last couple of pages have been good. I hope he would be playing the same way regardless of my comment or matt's comment, I don't think they influenced him, but he and snb being so focused on each other wasn't really helping town based on the reasoning they were providing.Drazerk/snb very interested in each other. Both voting each other, in part, based on what seems to be "He should understand my play better." I don't want to lynch either of them today, and telling me that some other player should understand you better doesn't make me want to lynch that other guy. The votes feel entirely wasted. His iamperfection question to me felt townie. It's...an odd way to phrase something as scum? Like, you can just say "What is your read?" or "Would you vote iamperfection?" Instead he asks why I'm not voting with him, just an odd little bit of creativity. scumMatt from what I'm seen is either disinterested or...claims scum. Creative questions don't fit the bill for either of those. He's continued to pursue iamperfection, in a noticeably different way than the early voters that I've been critical of. Whereas ghost/nisani just left the thread, and iamperfection stayed focused on ghost, Mattchew has been actively commenting on other matters, has been asking questions to others, has been trying to get iamperfection lynched. It stands out so differently from behavior that I'm finding scummy in others. The gonzaw read is weaker, but the way he returned to thread feels like he was being gonzaw-y. Spammy, finding lots of little stuff, talking about it. In particular, things like this: On October 01 2012 05:19 gonzaw wrote: I like finding odd interactions or posts. This was one of those...interesting finds. Not necessarily scummy, but worth noting. He noted it, explained why he was interested, and then went further later in the post to vote JH after adding in some other stuff. I like that he pulled out a weird interaction, didn't completely disregard it, didn't blast anyone for it, but used it to look further at someone.Am I the only one that found these 2 posts weird? Both of them rarely posted before that, and came out of nowhere with a vote on Drazerk of all people. Then none of them stuck around discussing their read on Drazerk and just disappeared. First, let it be clear that I don't get the feeling both are scum (since I doubt both would act exactly the same way as scum), but it's a possibility if you guys want to discuss it. What I think of it is.....scummy and weird. I didn't see any of them invested in discussions, specially not in discussions concerning Keirathi and Drazerk. They just came, parked their vote on the "easy" target ("easy" in relative terms) and left. I see no town motivation at all in parking your vote and disappearing before discussing your reasoning with other people and waiting to see what others have to say. However, I could let Nisani pass, since he did minimally discuss his read of Drazerk later (it was 1 post, but at least it was something). Plus it's Nisani and I can see him acting like that as town. He asked this On October 01 2012 05:59 gonzaw wrote: At Keirathi: 1)Are you going to start scumhunting soon? which was a good question and something I was going to ask until I saw he'd already done so. He also comes off townie in the way he addresses mementoss here: On October 01 2012 06:45 gonzaw wrote: I'd really like Mementos to tell us if his austin thing is getting anywhere and if he has anything else to say. On October 01 2012 11:31 gonzaw wrote: The "weird" feeling I had about Mementos was that 1st post of his. His reasoning to vote austin didn't seem that good to me (although I don't really want to get into it right now), and it seemed he picked him out of nowhere. The worst thing is that that post of his made me think "wow, so it seems Mementos will be active and contribute" but he never followed up with anything later. Just how I found Jingle suspicious because Jingle FoSed Drazerk and then did absolutely nothing to push his read, I find Mementos suspicious for doing the same to austin. He parked his vote on him, then disappeared only to sporadically make irrelevant one-liners and completely forget about austin. It may be that he was having 2nd doubts on austin but was not really sure if he wanted to unvote him or not and thus kept his vote (which I guess is what happened with Jingle, and basically what happened with me some time ago), but there's almost no indication of that from him and that doesn't justify his lack of contributions since then As I read it, he's concerned with mementoss's post on me. Instead of straight-up saying that, or directly confronting mementoss, he just sort of asks this minor question. What are you doing with it now? It shows me that he's trying to piece things together, that he's actively thinking about alignments. He could have burst in with "this post makes me feel weird," but he doesn't, and dangling that question out without giving a full read comes of townie to me. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
I haven't left the thread, I'm catching up now and will post my thoughts when I'm done. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 02 2012 04:22 Keirathi wrote: I could buy that answer, but it still doesn't explain why after your Vote+Unvote, you kept talking about iamperfection like you wanted to lynch him. That was your first mention of him, and you seemed to be saying that you thought he was the scummiest of the 3 "lurker" and that one of them was almost certainly scum. But immediately afterwards, you started talking about JH and in your next post, you hopped on the JH wagon. Oh, no. It was meant as a silly response and vote, not that I'm finding him more scummy than the others. That question isn't "Why am I voting iamperfection? Let me tell you!" It was "Why am I joining you in voting for iamperfection when these other two look almost the same?" Not actually hopping on the wagon. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
After all, Gonzaw called his vote a throwaway, and Mattchew keeps screaming my name and putting his vote elsewhere. Kind of like Gonzaw did at one point. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On October 02 2012 04:30 Nisani201 wrote: Hi everyone. I haven't left the thread, I'm catching up now and will post my thoughts when I'm done. http://i1.theportalwiki.net/img/2/27/Fact_core_attachedfact01.wav | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 02 2012 04:36 JingleHell wrote: So Gonzaw tries to create a connection between totally unrelated votes, and Mattchew assumes that someone who didn't post for most of the first half of D1 is active lurking. This makes you decide that they're clearly worthy of sheeping, even though neither of them seems to want to be the one leading the wagon? After all, Gonzaw called his vote a throwaway, and Mattchew keeps screaming my name and putting his vote elsewhere. Kind of like Gonzaw did at one point. No. They're not worthy of sheeping for that, they come off town to me for that. And for the other stuff mentioned above. It DOES seem like neither wants to lead the wagon. However, Mattchew pretty clearly wants to lead a vote on iamperfection. How is him clearly wanting to lead a lynch on someone else scummy because he won't lead a lynch on you? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 02 2012 04:39 austinmcc wrote: No. They're not worthy of sheeping for that, they come off town to me for that. And for the other stuff mentioned above. It DOES seem like neither wants to lead the wagon. However, Mattchew pretty clearly wants to lead a vote on iamperfection. How is him clearly wanting to lead a lynch on someone else scummy because he won't lead a lynch on you? It's scummy because neither of them has yet to make sense in their suspicions, neither wants to lead it, both want to direct suspicion at me, and both have demonstrated willingness to sheep onto me for little to no reason. That looks less like scumhunting and more like avoiding suspicion. Avoiding suspicion is, at best, a null tell, and certainly not validation for strong town reads. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 02 2012 04:36 JingleHell wrote: So Gonzaw tries to create a connection between totally unrelated votes, and Mattchew assumes that someone who didn't post for most of the first half of D1 is active lurking. This makes you decide that they're clearly worthy of sheeping, even though neither of them seems to want to be the one leading the wagon? After all, Gonzaw called his vote a throwaway, and Mattchew keeps screaming my name and putting his vote elsewhere. Kind of like Gonzaw did at one point. Adding to this, because this post is giving me a bad vibe. Here are Mattchew's mentions of you since dropping a vote: On October 02 2012 00:39 Mattchew wrote: ... ##unvote ##vote Iamperfection ... Jinglehell I dont want dead as bad as I did before. His actively lurking and woe is me attitude dont give me good feelings, however he is explaining his thought process pretty thoroughly which is really hard to do as scum. I am not getting a filtered or nervous feeling (of him writing his thoughts) from his posting. On October 02 2012 01:59 Mattchew wrote: That's it. He's not screaming your name. He seems entirely focused on lynching iamperfection, with you as a backup. And not in a "I'd vote either" sort of way, he's expressing a pretty clear preference of voting someone else.JH as i have said, is a lynch I would support but I would much rather lynch iamperfection | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 02 2012 04:45 JingleHell wrote: It's scummy because neither of them has yet to make sense in their suspicions, neither wants to lead it, both want to direct suspicion at me, and both have demonstrated willingness to sheep onto me for little to no reason. That looks less like scumhunting and more like avoiding suspicion. Avoiding suspicion is, at best, a null tell, and certainly not validation for strong town reads. You think...Mattchew is pursuing iamperfection this hard, not because he wants to hunt scum, but because he wants to avoid suspicion? | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
I'm still confused by Drazerk and am going to just ignore him until I get more concrete information like flips (assuming I survive long enough to get that) My top scum read right now is iamperfection. Mattchew makes a good case here + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 00:39 Mattchew wrote: gonna hop right back into the thread with some analysis I believe iamperfection is scum and I would like everyone to click on his filter This post clearly mis-reads what ghost is trying to say and jumps on him with a hyperbole and what feels like a very fake sense of confidence. The way this post is worded is not as much anger as much as it reads "grab your pitchforks and bandwagon with me" After this, his teeth are sunk into ghost, and he is afraid to move. He also has failed to comment on literally anyone else in the thread. His reasoning is bad, his contributions are next to nothing. Honestly I don't think anything more needs to be written. Enough time has past for iamperfection to comment on other players, or contribute to actual discussion. His reasoning for pushing a ghost lynch is bad and grasping at straws. ##unvote ##vote Iamperfection I may disagree with ghost's assessment of keirathi, but he gives his reasoning based on what knowledge he had, and iamperfection twists what ghost said in order to attack him. ##Vote: iamperfection I'll be around for a bit, so feel free to ask me questions. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 02 2012 04:47 austinmcc wrote: You think...Mattchew is pursuing iamperfection this hard, not because he wants to hunt scum, but because he wants to avoid suspicion? Pursuing him hard? He wasn't the first. Here's his "analysis". On October 02 2012 00:39 Mattchew wrote: gonna hop right back into the thread with some analysis I believe iamperfection is scum and I would like everyone to click on his filter This post clearly mis-reads what ghost is trying to say and jumps on him with a hyperbole and what feels like a very fake sense of confidence. The way this post is worded is not as much anger as much as it reads "grab your pitchforks and bandwagon with me" After this, his teeth are sunk into ghost, and he is afraid to move. He also has failed to comment on literally anyone else in the thread. His reasoning is bad, his contributions are next to nothing. Honestly I don't think anything more needs to be written. Enough time has past for iamperfection to comment on other players, or contribute to actual discussion. His reasoning for pushing a ghost lynch is bad and grasping at straws. ##unvote ##vote Iamperfection On October 02 2012 01:15 Mattchew wrote: austin why arent you voting iamperfection with me? On October 02 2012 01:59 Mattchew wrote: ghost has provided opinions confidently. Do you feel that he is hiding something or just doesnt care about adding in extended explainations? Nisani is more of a meta read for me, but I see him play like this a decent amount Iamperfection is purposefully ignoring the rest of the thread and is not trying to actually help town with anything useful or anything that resembles effort. JH as i have said, is a lynch I would support but I would much rather lynch iamperfection On October 02 2012 03:04 Mattchew wrote: lets expand on this... what do you think of his contributions to the game. What do you think of his read on ghost? Do you agree with his reasoning? What would make you think he is town? Wow, that's such strong pressure! Including a desire to get OTHER people to provide a rationale for it. This looks more like fake scumhunting than real. Sheeping, asking others to contribute to his paper thin case, and making noise about a lack of contribution. The exact same formula he used to jump on me. In other words, yeah right. Hell, at this point, I'm convincing myself to vote Mattchew over Gonzaw... ##Unvote ##Vote Mattchew | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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