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On August 03 2012 20:54 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 20:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 03 2012 20:50 Erandorr wrote:
he also hurt my feelings and made me cry. can we kill him? no worries, I'll be scum when you have feelings worth considering any reason why you would out VE as mason this early? I mean thats kind of retarded.
Pot calling the kettle black...
Let me break this down into simpler terms for you (and I thought that wasn't possible!)
1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless)
2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated.
3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally.
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VE did you talk to wbg about claiming mason before he did so for you?
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On August 03 2012 20:59 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 20:54 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 20:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 03 2012 20:50 Erandorr wrote:
he also hurt my feelings and made me cry. can we kill him? no worries, I'll be scum when you have feelings worth considering any reason why you would out VE as mason this early? I mean thats kind of retarded. Pot calling the kettle black... Let me break this down into simpler terms for you (and I thought that wasn't possible!) 1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless) 2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated. 3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally.
Sorry wbg, I am just too retarded to understand you.
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I'm more interested in VE's intentions actually.
- Did he mason someone randomly from the get go? Why wasn't he afraid to randomly hit mafia at all? WBG can be pretty manipulative
- If it was not from the get-go VE probably had a town-read on WBG. If that's the case VE should have no problem at all telling people why he thinks WBG to be town. Someone masoning without even being able to explain why is the most suspicious thing in the world. So VE SHOULD have told WBG why he thinks that he's town if that's really the case.
- Did VE explain why he masoned you WBG?
I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up.
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On August 03 2012 21:13 Toadesstern wrote:I'm more interested in VE's intentions actually. - Did he mason someone randomly from the get go? Why wasn't he afraid to randomly hit mafia at all? WBG can be pretty manipulative
- If it was not from the get-go VE probably had a town-read on WBG. If that's the case VE should have no problem at all telling people why he thinks WBG to be town. Someone masoning without even being able to explain why is the most suspicious thing in the world. So VE SHOULD have told WBG why he thinks that he's town if that's really the case.
- Did VE explain why he masoned you WBG?
I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up.
At least I am not THAT stupid ! <3
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Please move all voting into the voting thread I just created Here
Thank you
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@Toad: I don't agree with masoned players not claiming. You say that the most likely player to be masoned is someone who looks town, I agree with that. But your argument is that scum will have an easier time to make a good NK kill because of that. People will be posting town reads none the les so I don't see this as much of an issue. One town read will most probebly not be the main reason for a Nk and if there are alot of people suspecting that person to be town, he is very likely to be killed anyway.Also, if the masoned players claim right before night we can prevent a night kill on these players at least for that night.
Basically, this is the only negative thing I can think of with people claiming masoned. But the advantages for this is way bigger.
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On August 03 2012 21:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Toad: I don't agree with masoned players not claiming. You say that the most likely player to be masoned is someone who looks town, I agree with that. But your argument is that scum will have an easier time to make a good NK kill because of that. People will be posting town reads none the les so I don't see this as much of an issue. One town read will most probebly not be the main reason for a Nk and if there are alot of people suspecting that person to be town, he is very likely to be killed anyway.Also, if the masoned players claim right before night we can prevent a night kill on these players at least for that night.
Basically, this is the only negative thing I can think of with people claiming masoned. But the advantages for this is way bigger.
Just to remind you, this was the question:
On August 03 2012 20:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 20:09 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 03 2012 17:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I really don't see a reason for someone NOT to claim if they get masoned. One might argue that it let's scum get one of the few pieces of info that they've not already recived, however I don't really see how scum would be able to capitalize on the fact that there are town masons in the game. Okay, when thinking of it, there might be some situations that people claiming masoned might be usefull for scum. But Town will most likely gain more from claiming than scum. Masoned players SHOULD claim. what kind of information do you get as a townie if I were to tell you that I got masoned for example?
What kind of reaction would that trigger?I can't think of one to be honest.
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Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though.
Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them.
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On August 03 2012 21:44 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 21:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Toad: I don't agree with masoned players not claiming. You say that the most likely player to be masoned is someone who looks town, I agree with that. But your argument is that scum will have an easier time to make a good NK kill because of that. People will be posting town reads none the les so I don't see this as much of an issue. One town read will most probebly not be the main reason for a Nk and if there are alot of people suspecting that person to be town, he is very likely to be killed anyway.Also, if the masoned players claim right before night we can prevent a night kill on these players at least for that night.
Basically, this is the only negative thing I can think of with people claiming masoned. But the advantages for this is way bigger. Just to remind you, this was the question: Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 20:35 Toadesstern wrote:On August 03 2012 20:09 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 03 2012 17:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I really don't see a reason for someone NOT to claim if they get masoned. One might argue that it let's scum get one of the few pieces of info that they've not already recived, however I don't really see how scum would be able to capitalize on the fact that there are town masons in the game. Okay, when thinking of it, there might be some situations that people claiming masoned might be usefull for scum. But Town will most likely gain more from claiming than scum. Masoned players SHOULD claim. what kind of information do you get as a townie if I were to tell you that I got masoned for example?
What kind of reaction would that trigger?I can't think of one to be honest. We will know the exact numbers of masons unless scum mason decides not to use his power at all in which case he can be treated as vanilla scum. Yes, this means scum will also know how many masons there are, however scum already have two advantages here.
1. They already know whether or not there is a scum mason.
2. If one scum ever gets masoned all scum will know who is that that person is scum mason whilest if town gets masoned and we decide that they shouldn't claim, only that person will know who is the mason.
There is more to gain for town than for scum by claiming.
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I'm not part of the mason circles I guess /sad
Toad, why insta-voting VE? I know you had some suspicion of him, but did you consider that VE sounded overly cautious because he is a mason? That's what I get at least.
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason?
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On August 03 2012 22:13 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 21:44 Toadesstern wrote:On August 03 2012 21:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Toad: I don't agree with masoned players not claiming. You say that the most likely player to be masoned is someone who looks town, I agree with that. But your argument is that scum will have an easier time to make a good NK kill because of that. People will be posting town reads none the les so I don't see this as much of an issue. One town read will most probebly not be the main reason for a Nk and if there are alot of people suspecting that person to be town, he is very likely to be killed anyway.Also, if the masoned players claim right before night we can prevent a night kill on these players at least for that night.
Basically, this is the only negative thing I can think of with people claiming masoned. But the advantages for this is way bigger. Just to remind you, this was the question: On August 03 2012 20:35 Toadesstern wrote:On August 03 2012 20:09 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 03 2012 17:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I really don't see a reason for someone NOT to claim if they get masoned. One might argue that it let's scum get one of the few pieces of info that they've not already recived, however I don't really see how scum would be able to capitalize on the fact that there are town masons in the game. Okay, when thinking of it, there might be some situations that people claiming masoned might be usefull for scum. But Town will most likely gain more from claiming than scum. Masoned players SHOULD claim. what kind of information do you get as a townie if I were to tell you that I got masoned for example?
What kind of reaction would that trigger?I can't think of one to be honest. We will know the exact numbers of masons unless scum mason decides not to use his power at all in which case he can be treated as vanilla scum. Yes, this means scum will also know how many masons there are, however scum already have two advantages here. 1. They already know whether or not there is a scum mason. 2. If one scum ever gets masoned all scum will know who is that that person is scum mason whilest if town gets masoned and we decide that they shouldn't claim, only that person will know who is the mason. There is more to gain for town than for scum by claiming.
If you treat it as information we want to use that IS a pretty big if, isn't it?
Let's say we're in a situation with 3 town masons and 1 mafia mason for the sake of getting some numbers.
Let's say the 3 town masons get claimed, the 1 mafia mason won't be claimed.
What's the next step? "Woah, we've got EXACTLY 3 masons, one of them is bound to be mafia! Let's lynch into them!" ?
If that's not the next step, what good is the information?
You said yourself, we're going to know the exact number of masons, while saying that it's very much possible that the number will be wrong. That's kind of contradicting imo.
On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote:
I'm not part of the mason circles I guess /sad
Toad, why insta-voting VE? I know you had some suspicion of him, but did you consider that VE sounded overly cautious because he is a mason? That's what I get at least.
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason?
kind of.
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If the mason role is as important as some people are saying, calling them out only exposes them to mafia no?
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On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote:
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason?
wherebugsgo might be full of shit, who knows?
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Yea lets just lynch Glasse. He seems mafia enough.
##Vote Glasse
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On August 03 2012 22:33 prplhz wrote:
Yea lets just lynch Glasse. He seems mafia enough.
##Vote Glasse
If you happen to actually be serious, we have a voting thread now.
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Thanks. Reposted over there. And yes, I am serious. You are the scummiest in the thread so my vote is on you unless something crazy happens.
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On August 03 2012 22:41 prplhz wrote:
Thanks. Reposted over there. And yes, I am serious. You are the scummiest in the thread so my vote is on you unless something crazy happens.
I don't get it, can you explain your reasoning? I'm as town as one can be.
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On August 03 2012 12:13 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 12:08 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. oh man I hope bc didn't link role names and actual roles. kinda bet he did though That could be kinda unfair for those like me who has no clue about mad men. I have no clue who the fuck roger sterling is and what it could imply. So the time was changed to 9pm, so i guess it's day until saturday at 9pm?
Useless post. Talks about flavor and deadline. Seems like a token first post that townies wouldn't really care to make.
On August 03 2012 22:27 Glasse wrote:
If the mason role is as important as some people are saying, calling them out only exposes them to mafia no?
Non committal post. Asks if your opinions are okay. Scum are focused on how they appear while townies think things through and just say how they feel.
On August 03 2012 22:29 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote:
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason? wherebugsgo might be full of shit, who knows?
Spreading doubt and undermining wherebugsgo.
Now tell me how and why you are town if you're really as town as town can be. Who is scum?
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On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 12:13 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 12:08 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. oh man I hope bc didn't link role names and actual roles. kinda bet he did though That could be kinda unfair for those like me who has no clue about mad men. I have no clue who the fuck roger sterling is and what it could imply. So the time was changed to 9pm, so i guess it's day until saturday at 9pm? Useless post. Talks about flavor and deadline. Seems like a token first post that townies wouldn't really care to make.
So wondering if the characters had anything to do with roles is incriminating? I don't get it.
On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 22:27 Glasse wrote:
If the mason role is as important as some people are saying, calling them out only exposes them to mafia no? Non committal post. Asks if your opinions are okay. Scum are focused on how they appear while townies think things through and just say how they feel.
Nothing to say here.
On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 22:29 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote:
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason? wherebugsgo might be full of shit, who knows? Spreading doubt and undermining wherebugsgo.
I'm just saying how I feel about the whole mason thing going on. Of course I'm gonna spread doubt when I doubt his intentions. I want to know wtf hes up to and others might see the same thing and might be able to figure it out.
On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:
Now tell me how and why you are town if you're really as town as town can be. Who is scum?
I can't really tell you, I haven't even done anything yet so anything I would say would be completely useless. Can't claim anything other than being green. So you will have to take my word for it.
Who is scum? No clue, I don't like this wherebugsgo guy though.
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