EPTTL Mafia XLII - Page 15
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On June 15 2011 15:31 ilovejonn wrote: Tell me again why a townie would not say those things. Everything I said was to include an extra option to show that you should not do something straight forward and instead be flexible based on what might happen in the future. And you're telling me a townie wouldn't say it out, biased much. Going to sleep see you in a few hours. This is exactly the wrong approach--the scum approach. "Hmm, I need to look like a townie, what would a townie say in this situation?" Townies say all kinds of things--we have sinani206 (presumably town) for instance saying, don't meta, scum hunt. We have BC saying we should use a zodiac list and not protect people on it night 0, etc. In a lot of cases, it's not what is said, it's how. And how you made your post is exactly what YM picked up on--you WERE uncertain and timid. Therefore, your defense actually makes you look worse in my eyes. If you're gonna defend yourself, tell me these two things: 1) do you agree/disagree that your current play is similar to your scum play in XXIX rather than your town play in XXVIII. 2) can you provide a rationale for why your posting so far looks like your scum play more than your town play? And sinani, btw, you saying don't use meta b/c of night 0 start is bullshit. Maybe you're worried because you didn't post anything at night, and that doesn't fit with your town meta? whatever, meta is a very important part of good analysis, and having one little mechanic change is not going to change that. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On June 15 2011 17:17 Scamp wrote: Well, my vote will be on aidnai until he can shake off the stench of spam and blue-snipe bragging. And oh yes, I see this and I'm ignoring it. I feel entitled to make 2 spam posts in a mafia game ON MY GODDAMN BIRTHDAY. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
So compelling in fact, that I am placing my vote on Ilovejonn to increase his pressure a tiny bit. ##Vote: iloveJonn | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On June 14 2011 13:37 ilovejonn wrote: I'd also like to suggest that people on this list, if you're on towns side of course, to start posting, because you know, getting killed Night 0 sucks. This post would make more sense if he had just encouraged everyone on the list to start posting, though perhaps that town qualifier was just there to pressure mafia. In addition, logically it doesn't make much sense as getting killed on night 0 sucks whether you happened to make a few posts or not and posting would only make it more likely. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
At first I felt that youngminii's case against ILJ was a bit weak. The "ifs" and "unless of course" could just be an effect of N0. Since we didn't have anything to go on, I can understand him not wanting to make any hard statements. Now, what really makes him seem scummy to me is this defense: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 14:52 ilovejonn wrote: hokay there buddy. First off, I'm not going to make a rebuttal out of every point you made because clearly with your PbPA you're stretching a lot of points to justify a conclusion you already had in mind beforehand with posts that don't actually add anything. Also, don't try to do a meta-read on me, I might be playing different because I want to, I may be playing different because I've learned a few things, I might like to use "I think" or "unless of course" because I deemed it necessary to show that I am unsure (it was n0 after all). When you meta read someone, you're heavily biased to see what you wanted to see in the first place anyways. Let's read one of those points: What makes you say a townie wouldn't do that? Wait a minute, I read my post again and what? You take those words out of context and shape them into something that you deem scummy. I lol'd. It also seems to be a recurring theme in your analysis. I'm done here because I don't want to waste time defending myself when I could possibly find scum, but I like the direction you're going for generating discussion since there aren't any posts since Day 1 started, so thanks. + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 15:31 ilovejonn wrote: Tell me again why a townie would not say those things. Everything I said was to include an extra option to show that you should not do something straight forward and instead be flexible based on what might happen in the future. And you're telling me a townie wouldn't say it out, biased much. Going to sleep see you in a few hours. During my games in EpicMafia the "Why wouldn't I have done that?"-defense is the one that I've seen the most times. Some of you might say that EM is a totally different game, but I believe that the behaviour of scum is quite similar in both games. I don't like the use of this defense at all. It just makes him seem altogether more scummy to me. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Pondo
Australia283 Posts
lol probably for the best with my exams and all.. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On June 15 2011 14:52 ilovejonn wrote: hokay there buddy. First off, I'm not going to make a rebuttal out of every point you made because clearly with your PbPA you're stretching a lot of points to justify a conclusion you already had in mind beforehand with posts that don't actually add anything. Also, don't try to do a meta-read on me, I might be playing different because I want to, I may be playing different because I've learned a few things, I might like to use "I think" or "unless of course" because I deemed it necessary to show that I am unsure (it was n0 after all). When you meta read someone, you're heavily biased to see what you wanted to see in the first place anyways. Let's read one of those points: What makes you say a townie wouldn't do that? Wait a minute, I read my post again and what? You take those words out of context and shape them into something that you deem scummy. I lol'd. It also seems to be a recurring theme in your analysis. I'm done here because I don't want to waste time defending myself when I could possibly find scum, but I like the direction you're going for generating discussion since there aren't any posts since Day 1 started, so thanks. This is ilovejohn's defense post. I do NOT see this post as scummy. Reading the post YM is referencing, the "uncertain" language IS taken out of context. It's too early, in my opinion, to use metagame to analyze one's "play" this early in the game. For that reason, WILL NOT support a lynch of ilovejohn this day unless someone comes up with some actual evidence. | ||
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DeMorcerf
United States56 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 15 2011 12:38 aidnai wrote: That WAS my birthday wish ilj! For other new-er blues in this game, i'm gonna bring this up since Chaos13 is dead already anyway: look at chaos13's posts. There's like 4-5 of them from N0, and all but maybe one are giving blues advice, asking for blue advice, or otherwise discussing blue roles. IMO, he was a pretty obvious snipe. Moral of the story: don't spend a lot of time talking about blues and nothing else. We can talk about this more post-game. Scamp, the game GGQ is talking about is XXXVII. Ver = Ser Aspi. Although he and jackal did use PMs well, especially when it came to the endgame, the town kinda got lucky with a huge town circle that cleared LSB who otherwise would have been a great and easy mislynch for scum to push. So... yeah, like almost every game, it wasn't perfect play (or what we imagine is perfect) that won that game for town. Back to this game: I can only assume that Pondo was an attempted blue snipe. Not sure about kita. I find it odd that scum went for blue snipes over forum vets n0. I take this to mean that BC's zodiac was successful in deterring hits... Well, that's only good for us imo. On June 15 2011 13:26 aidnai wrote: rofl, sorry for spam/derail guys, but xsixVer just beat col.Catz on taldarim, cross positions, using tank/marine with epic multipronged attacks and NUKES lol... poor catz plays without sound so he can listen to music, got nailed by the nukes like 4 times omg... On June 15 2011 13:05 aidnai wrote: at this moment, Ver is playing catz on catz' stream  On June 15 2011 14:32 aidnai wrote: since nobody is stepping up and posting anything... I guess I'll go ahead and start pressure voting. ##Vote: Grassgiraffe Your friend said you wouldn't disappoint. Prove him wrong, make my day. ##Vote Aidnai You post too much useless, obvious, info. Kita is obvious kill....He's pretty bangin. Stop bragging about how you sniped a blue. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
As for his defense, It's not compelling. I'm going to keep an eye out for his posting today, but I'm not convinced enough to put down a vote. Moving on, FudgeMunkey needs to post better. He's got a relatively high post count, but hasn't said much of anything. Most of his posts follow the following format: ask a basic question or agree with somebody state the obvious [elispes] make a conclusion based off of obvious statement.[possibly more elipses] Please try to add more content to your posts. I'm liking the considerably less spammy environment. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
I'd pay close attention to him too. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 15 2011 17:17 Scamp wrote: Well, my vote will be on aidnai until he can shake off the stench of spam and blue-snipe bragging. LMAO...I hadn't even read the thread yet, and felt that way exactly too. <3 u Scamp. Sinani is easily next lynch choice. GOGOGOGOOGo | ||
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
Just because I've won the game does not constitute to the fact that I may or may not decide to change my playstyle in future games. All this meta you've put in your analysis is pretty bs. If you want to look back at my posts and compare them with other people's post, I can easily find a few people contributing without actually contributing, hell there are even people that said almost EXACTLY what I and other people have said just in longer vague posts. What I'll admit to, is that based on the projected image that I have as townie and scum (my meta), what I have been posting up to now has been considered bad play to the eyes of other people. However, you'll see that this is still not the direction town is headed to lynch scum, because I know I'm a townie. In b4 WIFOM. Also when I defend myself people say it's scummy (I don't know how, maybe all townies shouldn't defend themselves, then everyone who does defend themselves will be outted as scum), when I don't defend myself they'll say I'm not scum-hunting. OF COURSE I'm going to defend myself, and you shouldn't expect any less from any other player as well, if you're townie and leading the lynch for the day right now you'd be damn sure I'm going to veer town back into the right direction. I'll be posting analysis when I actually have a plausible case. Ironically I've got some town reads on some people based on the n0 posts. For now though, On June 14 2011 13:59 ilovejonn wrote: I think we need to move on. The plan is bad, no one should do what sandroba suggested, now we can all stop posting about it. On June 14 2011 13:42 GGQ wrote: This entire post is already in BC's post. You didn't say a single thing that he didn't say. On June 15 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote: With the amount of opposition that sandroba's plan has received, it is effectively dead at this point. It should be dropped completely. Anyone who continue to discuss the merits or demerits of it after this point is suspicious to me. You didn't say anything I haven't said either in that post, suspicious. ##Vote: GGQ. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
it's obvious this is what scum do when the thread moves 0.02 pages per hour morons | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
The main issue I'm having now with your latest post is the disconnect between this: On June 16 2011 02:40 ilovejonn wrote: ... I'll be posting analysis when I actually have a plausible case... and this On June 16 2011 02:40 ilovejonn wrote: ##Vote: GGQ. If you don't have a plausible case, why vote? | ||
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