EPTNah, I agreed with the pure content but there was some disconnect between the posts words and the feeling. I think newbie reads all around so far except for kickstart and you, I need to think.
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Nah, I agreed with the pure content but there was some disconnect between the posts words and the feeling. I think newbie reads all around so far except for kickstart and you, I need to think. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I said you are TRYING too hard to be casual and it ends up looking fake. So therefore you are scum trying to gain town image by starting a discussion. However, the discussion has nothing to do with scum reads and such, it is basically fluff that you want from your questions. so I think that you are scum because you APPEAR to be helping town when in actual fact, you are putting up a facade. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
a) cheese tries to initiate some conversation with a lighthearted post in a thread that has just started and has nothing to discuss so far or b) On November 26 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Cheesecake, you completely miss the point about the first post. I said you are TRYING too hard to be casual and it ends up looking fake. So therefore you are scum trying to gain town image by starting a discussion. However, the discussion has nothing to do with scum reads and such, it is basically fluff that you want from your questions. so I think that you are scum because you APPEAR to be helping town when in actual fact, you are putting up a facade. Argument b is just making way too many assumptions, especially at this point in the game with not much to work with. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On November 26 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Cheesecake, you completely miss the point about the first post. I said you are TRYING too hard to be casual and it ends up looking fake. So therefore you are scum trying to gain town image by starting a discussion. However, the discussion has nothing to do with scum reads and such, it is basically fluff that you want from your questions. so I think that you are scum because you APPEAR to be helping town when in actual fact, you are putting up a facade. First bolded: WIFOM, etc. If you think I'm trying to be casual, you obviously haven't read my name. Second: The joke third question is a joke, way to point out the obvious. If you're basing your scumread off of that, lol. The first question is simply to gauge one's experience, and the second is to actually start a discussion which evidently it has. The discussion cannot START with "scum reads and such", it has to take off from essentially nothing and then proceed into reads. If you believe opening with a discussion on policy lynching is advocating fluff, you are wrong. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On November 25 2012 21:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Kickstart, I am saying you OMGUS voted me. Which you did. I would love to make a case on Cheesecake if he posted more than 10 posts... My vote in cheese is based on FEELING. Your vote on me is because you think that my vote is bullshit. Therefore, you OMGUS me :l On November 25 2012 18:34 Oatsmaster wrote: I love this, Cheesecake posted 2 posts and people are expecting me to make a case. LOL. He did nothing to convince me that he is town yet though :/ I agree with the content, but it feels forced, thats all that I think about cheesecake right now. Modkills/replacements should be the LAST thing on your mind in the whole game. On November 25 2012 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote: LOL kickstart learning from the vets huh. there are like 4 pages of content, I challenge you to find a case out of that. A proper case that has scum reasons for certain posts. ok about cheesecake This post looks like he is being light-hearted, especially with the Pie and Cheesecake question. I feel that it is an act, the post looks VERY deliberate in being casual. Then here, a reason for people to be lurking is because we havent called them out. He basically says, I will lynch a lurker/anybody. Which is good reason to hop onto any bandwagon that is benefical for scum. Like lynching an inactive town/active but bad town These posts are confusing. You say several times that you can't write a case from his posts thus far, in response to those asking you to explain yourself, but then you write a mini-case in the very same post. Why didn't you just write this case when people asked for it, instead of repeatedly saying that you can't write a case? On November 26 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Cheesecake, you completely miss the point about the first post. I said you are TRYING too hard to be casual and it ends up looking fake. So therefore you are scum trying to gain town image by starting a discussion. However, the discussion has nothing to do with scum reads and such, it is basically fluff that you want from your questions. so I think that you are scum because you APPEAR to be helping town when in actual fact, you are putting up a facade. You say that "trying to look casual" is a scum trait, but your first few posts are looking pretty casual: On November 25 2012 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Just kidding :D But seriously lets talk. This is my first/second game, I/E I havent finished a mafia game yet This post looks pretty "forced casual" too, but I don't know if smilies are the norm for Oats. On November 25 2012 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote: By far the most important question 3) Pie. Or a Light Cheesecake. 1) 0. I am currently in another game 2) I think that we should lynch a lurker D1 yes. Why is "trying to be casual" a scum trait when you are clearly trying to be casual yourself? | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 25 2012 22:40 Kickstart wrote: You two seem to be agreeing that you don't think Oats is scum. Can you explain his vote onto cheese then, because he apparently can't provide a decent explanation for it himself. I take it you have never played scum. The last thing you feel like doing when you're scum is to stumble into the thread and make a terrible case with no evidence, because it'll give you a ton of attention. You can argue whether his posts are anti-town or not. They've started some discussions and a lot of people (well, at least some) are chiming in with opinions etc. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter whether it's anti-town though, I've basically seen no newbies play scum like this (perhaps Kush. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
This sounds like a silly job interview question, but I'd be really interesting in hearing a short analysis. It'd be quite helpful for me. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:25 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: I take it you have never played scum. The last thing you feel like doing when you're scum is to stumble into the thread and make a terrible case with no evidence, because it'll give you a ton of attention. You can argue whether his posts are anti-town or not. They've started some discussions and a lot of people (well, at least some) are chiming in with opinions etc. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter whether it's anti-town though, I've basically seen no newbies play scum like this (perhaps Kush. So you view it as a null tell or...? Am at least glad we agree that it is a terrible case with no evidence though. And I just don't think the argument that you have not seen any newbies play like that means anything really, just because you haven't seen it or if it has never been done doesn't mean it can't be. I am however inclined to agree with you that scum wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves but I can't get over how bad his posts were, and they haven't gotten much better. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:40 Kickstart wrote: So you view it as a null tell or...? Am at least glad we agree that it is a terrible case with no evidence though. And I just don't think the argument that you have not seen any newbies play like that means anything really, just because you haven't seen it or if it has never been done doesn't mean it can't be. Slight town. I'd say early game spazzes are more likely to be town. He also comes across genuine in his posts, will comment more on this later. I'm not putting too much weight into early town reads though. I think experience is valuable, as long as you realize it's possible your experience is biased. I've played 3 games and have obsed quite a few. I think that's enough to be able to draw some conclusions about general behaviour that are better than worthless. On November 26 2012 01:40 Kickstart wrote: I am however inclined to agree with you that scum wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves but I can't get over how bad his posts were, and they haven't gotten much better. That's exactly how I've been reacting in the Obs QTs I've been in. I see someone who (imo) play terrible and use flawed logic and it pisses me off so bad that I think it makes him scum. Rarely have those reads been correct and I think it's because scum are too careful to use terrible logic. There are better scum tells than someone simply "playing bad". | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Probably the most important thing is that just because someone has bad game sense doesn't make them scum. Djo last game pushed his terrible case on me, and I thought he was scummy because he literally had no traction on it. Oats, to me, seems a lot like Djo from last game. Hell, even the smiles. I'm more concerned with people who have faulty motives. Clarity, for example, made this random comment when i was counter-pushing djo to sort of amplify my case. Stuck out to me as active lurking, and there really was no motive behind it. Oats, therefore, despite his lolcase is null. I'm more curious about the people I've FoS'd, particularly HeloKnight. He came in, summarized the general theme which was anti-Oats, posted a little rant on him and then left. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @SDM Probably the most important thing is that just because someone has bad game sense doesn't make them scum. Djo last game pushed his terrible case on me, and I thought he was scummy because he literally had no traction on it. Oats, to me, seems a lot like Djo from last game. Hell, even the smiles. I'm more concerned with people who have faulty motives. Clarity, for example, made this random comment when i was counter-pushing djo to sort of amplify my case. Stuck out to me as active lurking, and there really was no motive behind it. Oats, therefore, despite his lolcase is null. I'm more curious about the people I've FoS'd, particularly HeloKnight. He came in, summarized the general theme which was anti-Oats, posted a little rant on him and then left. Anything from your earlier newbie games you've learnt about what style to play yourself? Do you see any mistakes you made in those games? I'm not talking about VT claiming but more general stuff. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:23 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Anything from your earlier newbie games you've learnt about what style to play yourself? Do you see any mistakes you made in those games? I'm not talking about VT claiming but more general stuff. VT claim was partially due to the fact that I was lazy and thought the flavor would confirm me. Turns out, it made the mafia look so guilty once I flipped haha. The only other game I played was as scum. In that game I played overly neutral, and pretty much tunneled a townie to the ground D2. I felt pressured to -never- change my way of thinking (I only ever FoS'd like two people and only voted Djo lol). If you read my filter in that game, I'm also putting on this super serious face; it's evident in my syntax and diction. I think I know what I'm looking for in my scumreads if I base it off my experience and seeing how my team played. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
Votecount: Mr. Cheesecake (1): Oatsmaster Oatsmaster(1): Kickstart Not voting (1):HeloKnight,Aquanim,Mr. Cheesecake,Sonic Death Monkey,,Jacob Strangelove,Munk-E,,Yamato77 If you see your (or another's) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: VT claim was partially due to the fact that I was lazy and thought the flavor would confirm me. Turns out, it made the mafia look so guilty once I flipped haha. The only other game I played was as scum. In that game I played overly neutral, and pretty much tunneled a townie to the ground D2. I felt pressured to -never- change my way of thinking (I only ever FoS'd like two people and only voted Djo lol). If you read my filter in that game, I'm also putting on this super serious face; it's evident in my syntax and diction. I think I know what I'm looking for in my scumreads if I base it off my experience and seeing how my team played. And did that lead you to make any adjustments in your style for this game? | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:55 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: That's exactly how I've been reacting in the Obs QTs I've been in. I see someone who (imo) play terrible and use flawed logic and it pisses me off so bad that I think it makes him scum. Rarely have those reads been correct and I think it's because scum are too careful to use terrible logic. There are better scum tells than someone simply "playing bad". The mafia has to implicate townies as scum and, using good logic, they can only convict other scum. So doesn't scum have to use terrible logic? Otherwise they with only catch their partners. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On November 26 2012 03:02 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: And did that lead you to make any adjustments in your style for this game? For this game? Aside from what to look for in posts and analyzing behavior, not really. As it were, that game helped my scum mentality more than anything. | ||
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