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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 10 2012 15:57 GMT
#241
to spark discussion

Which it accomplished.
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
April 10 2012 15:58 GMT
#242
On April 11 2012 00:55 GreYMisT wrote:
Sop you condemn Macheji for "sheeping other people's reasons about layabout" and yet you list only other peoples reasons.

Interesting.


Umm Sheep --> Follow other people

Sheep other people reasons ---> Sheep reasons made by other people

So I quoted A person that has pointed out the fact and quoted Macheji just listing it again.
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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
April 10 2012 16:13 GMT
#243
So do I understand this right that everyone who wants to lynch layabout does so only because he wrote about vigging/killing bluelightz and later claims his wincon states that bluelights needs to stay alive?

Also, Drazerk, when you cast your vote, he had not even claimed his wincon. What other lies did he tell that I am currently not aware off? And yes, I read through his filter, but I can't find them.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 10 2012 16:13 GMT
#244
I just didn't like him at that point

I throw at votes like candy
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 10 2012 16:17 GMT
#245
@ Bluelightz

@ layabout Empty post, funny tho , atleast you aren't proposing your third lynch target.
. Quoted off me, check my filter. I had this on my mind since yesterday. I just made it more clearer this time. The reason for witch i can't go 100% in with this is because, in my mind, after 1 day of talking i just can't gather enough "evidence" on a person to be 100% sure of something. There are just not enough facts tbh, and this is the only reason i said that i still keep an open mind. But i back my claim up...
In my mind, layabout is the person i suspect most.... closely to the tought that there aren't any bad guys, only townies separated into different interest groups ( check my post from before ).
If there is nothing to change my mind until the day of the lynch, i will vote for layabout.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 10 2012 16:21 GMT
#246
On April 10 2012 23:28 Bluelightz wrote:
we do not, never, and never will get anything out of mods posts besides the answer to a question when they answer one.


Good to know. Thanks. Unless when you say "the answer to a question" you mean the answer they want us to have and not necessarily the correct one. However I think you just mean what you say. In this post, at least.


On April 10 2012 23:25 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 23:10 strongandbig wrote:
I see that the role "survivor" is black in the OP, so I'm not sure what this means for this game.


It means it is a third party role. They are not town. They often win with either town or mafia, so they don't always play in towns best interest as it does not matter for them that much who wins, as long as they are still alive.


I know that black=third party; what I meant was that if the flavor theme of this game really is "Lost", then it's interesting that in the TV show Lost, the equivalent of the "town" team were called the "survivors."



On Topic: I'm suspicious of BagManager. Only five posts, and yet he knows how to copy the bold red formatting on his /confirm, and what a bastard game is?

Who are you really, BagManager?

What do you have to hide?
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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
April 10 2012 17:04 GMT
#247
So, Drazerk, you voted layabout, claim it is because of his lies (plural), when in fact there is only one probable lie and it was even done after you voted? I know Hassybaby warned me to not apply logic to you, but still...

On April 11 2012 01:13 Drazerk wrote:
I just didn't like him at that point

I throw at votes like candy


Candy is sweet, but your vote is foul.

##Vote Drazerk
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 10 2012 17:29 GMT
#248
its ok you will soon see the error of your ways
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 10 2012 17:33 GMT
#249
phagga, there is a vote forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327858
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 10 2012 20:00 GMT
#250
On April 10 2012 22:07 Sbrubbles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 20:49 layabout wrote:
Set-up stuff:
Detective
Investigate one target each night, revealing the targets current wincondition, but not his original wincondition if it has changed.

Wouldn't the detective be a lot more useful if we all claimed are win-cons?

This game is called "Bastard Mafia", this has lead to a ton of speculation about how exactly the host plan to screw us over.

In my time here on TL mafia i have only ever had one (sort of) "bastard role". This was in Werewolve Invade TeamLiquid II
I was a spying townie with a rival.
You are a Stalker Forumer with a Rival (Spying Townie with a Rival); your rival is prplhz and you may only win if he is dead and the town has won.

Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.

The problem in that game was that there were two mafia factions and town's chance of winning was fairly low.You also had to survive until endgame.

In addition to this you could lose if a specific player was still alive at endgame.
It would make very little to no sense if your rival was on another team because you would need them to die anyway so you would essentially be a VT. Because of this prplhz and i realised that the chances were extremely high that we were both town. We also realised that if we tried to kill each other we would substantially lower town's chances of winning (which would screw us both). So we agreed to play to town's wincon and just hope that the mafia would kill the other.

It's probably just called bastard mafia because lots of town players need to kill other town players to win and doing so would cause them to lose.

TLDR:
If you are town and you have to kill certain players chances are high that they are also town.
We should also all claim our wincons. There is a chance that we can work out some players that are likely town and we can make the DT much more powerful.

I need Bluelightz to stay alive
probably because of this:

On April 09 2012 08:23 layabout wrote:
/confirm
please vig bluelightz



lol, in the werewolves game the "rivals" thing didn't come into play AT ALL! You were killed night 0!

I think massclaiming would be a bad idea at this point. Scum, townies with kill win conditions and survivors would lie and knowing townie protect win conditions would be useless. It would do nothing more than generate confusion.

We shouldn't focus our attention on finding out who has to do what. Eliminating a scum (and a potential KP) is what we should be doing. Speaking of which, you're lying about having to protect bluelightz. Why would you do that? Layabout, are you scum?

lol
I actually do have to keep Bluelightz alive.
I said that we should vig him in my confirmation post, this was before anybody had any roles.
I then recieved a PM telling me that i needed him to live.
My posting at the start was mostly off-topic garbage in a sea of off topic garbage. What makes me scummy?

Would revealing wincons really cause that much confusion?
I think that that information could be very helpful, it might even spark off some discussion or cause a surge in activity.

Why is VE being so quiet?
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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 10 2012 20:04 GMT
#251
On April 10 2012 06:44 layabout wrote:
I do not dislike Bluelightz

But you should shoot him because:
  • He hydra-ed with me in a previuos game but went afk, scumslipped (e.g. telling the DT to the the godfather) and then claimed scum in the thread thus getting us shot.
  • He did _________!!! in an ongoing game that could totally go either way.
  • I want him to improve and killing him will provide the necessary kick up the butt for him.
  • For the lols


On April 10 2012 06:16 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm scared! Someone hold me!

Put a bullet in Bluelightz and i will hold you



Both after the game had started

Stop lying.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 10 2012 20:08 GMT
#252
Where is the lie?
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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 10 2012 20:11 GMT
#253
T_T
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 20:18:04
April 10 2012 20:15 GMT
#254
Day 1 ends in 24 hours and 45 minutes-ish. Don´t forget to vote, or become a broken shell of a man.
Vote in the Voting Thread
For secret messages delivered/posted with the Night-post, PM both hosts before the deadline.

To join the Observer QT, PM me or Dirkzor.
(Not for living players, sorry)

:3
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 10 2012 20:30 GMT
#255
Wow wth.... layabout you just got cought red-handed... Your post was at 6:16/6:44... the game started at 6:00 . I got my role PM at 5:49. Dunno, there is a slim slim chance you tell the truth, but why would you just lie about such a thing... I am ready to cast my vote, hope i'm right.
Going to bed under my coconut tree, good night guys.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
April 10 2012 20:37 GMT
#256
On April 11 2012 05:08 layabout wrote:
Where is the lie?


Did you or did you not say above that you were joking about vig'ing bluelightz, and then got your role pm and stopped?
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 10 2012 20:37 GMT
#257
Macheji we are not supposed to talk about specifc role PM's times

But look at the date on your PM and notice how my confirm post was like a day before that.

As for saying that we should Blue after that, who cares?

VE what do you think about a mass claim?
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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
April 10 2012 20:39 GMT
#258
On April 11 2012 05:00 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 22:07 Sbrubbles wrote:
On April 10 2012 20:49 layabout wrote:
Set-up stuff:
Detective
Investigate one target each night, revealing the targets current wincondition, but not his original wincondition if it has changed.

Wouldn't the detective be a lot more useful if we all claimed are win-cons?

This game is called "Bastard Mafia", this has lead to a ton of speculation about how exactly the host plan to screw us over.

In my time here on TL mafia i have only ever had one (sort of) "bastard role". This was in Werewolve Invade TeamLiquid II
I was a spying townie with a rival.
You are a Stalker Forumer with a Rival (Spying Townie with a Rival); your rival is prplhz and you may only win if he is dead and the town has won.

Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.

The problem in that game was that there were two mafia factions and town's chance of winning was fairly low.You also had to survive until endgame.

In addition to this you could lose if a specific player was still alive at endgame.
It would make very little to no sense if your rival was on another team because you would need them to die anyway so you would essentially be a VT. Because of this prplhz and i realised that the chances were extremely high that we were both town. We also realised that if we tried to kill each other we would substantially lower town's chances of winning (which would screw us both). So we agreed to play to town's wincon and just hope that the mafia would kill the other.

It's probably just called bastard mafia because lots of town players need to kill other town players to win and doing so would cause them to lose.

TLDR:
If you are town and you have to kill certain players chances are high that they are also town.
We should also all claim our wincons. There is a chance that we can work out some players that are likely town and we can make the DT much more powerful.

I need Bluelightz to stay alive
probably because of this:

On April 09 2012 08:23 layabout wrote:
/confirm
please vig bluelightz



lol, in the werewolves game the "rivals" thing didn't come into play AT ALL! You were killed night 0!

I think massclaiming would be a bad idea at this point. Scum, townies with kill win conditions and survivors would lie and knowing townie protect win conditions would be useless. It would do nothing more than generate confusion.

We shouldn't focus our attention on finding out who has to do what. Eliminating a scum (and a potential KP) is what we should be doing. Speaking of which, you're lying about having to protect bluelightz. Why would you do that? Layabout, are you scum?

lol
I actually do have to keep Bluelightz alive.
I said that we should vig him in my confirmation post, this was before anybody had any roles.
I then recieved a PM telling me that i needed him to live.
My posting at the start was mostly off-topic garbage in a sea of off topic garbage. What makes me scummy?

Would revealing wincons really cause that much confusion?
I think that that information could be very helpful, it might even spark off some discussion or cause a surge in activity.

Why is VE being so quiet?


I realize it was early game banther, but even in early game banther I don't believe you (or anyone else) would jokingly ask for a vig on another person when in fact this other person is your protect target. Hence, you are bullshitting.

Also, you try to add credibility to your claim by saying it is something the hosts would do for lulz/to annoy you. But the fact is, you give this explanation along with your claim, without anyone asking for it. This is defensive behavior and you've got my vote.

##Vote layabout
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 10 2012 20:39 GMT
#259
If i lied please show me.
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Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 10 2012 20:40 GMT
#260
Oh and before bluelightz starts accusing me of sheeping or whatever it's called again. I know i used Drazerk's point. I added some details so other people don't have to start checking all the forums for the times. I also said it to show you guys what determined me to cast my vote and to reply to layabout's
Where is the lie?
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