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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
Now I purposely shoved a bunch of frigate/cruiser missile points on my raven because I knew I was going to get tackled with intys/frigates/what have you. It's pretty fun, I got called a noob a lot today because I had sub BS class weapons on a BS (I have BS level 5 on Minmatar and Caldari.. most gunnery/missile also at 5) | ||
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
that is, if you 1. are in the corp, 2. want your name to be published though i think it's pretty obvious who i am (at least for the people in the corp) :D | ||
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10700 Posts
Recently found out that i am so bored at the moment that i play heroes of might and magic 3 for 5 hours a day against CPU, so i thought i maybe just take the burden to get *into* Eve  .Should get it tomorrow or on thursday. Can someone tell me what kind of character/skills to pick (or link to a nice site with information)? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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kazokun
United States163 Posts
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
you guys.. just wait..... for my DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE DRAKE DRAKE DRAAAAAAAAKE DRAKE DRAKE DRAKE 8( i shall vanquish the goonfleet + AAA all by myself edit: maybe should've rolled amarr, i guess it's too late for me now, because i like teh lazerz and their design and stuff. the only thing i hate about them is their stations, god they're so freaking loud they annoy the shit out of me :D | ||
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General Nuke Em
United States680 Posts
Too bad NPC Delve belongs to the blood raiders... ////wrists | ||
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General Nuke Em
United States680 Posts
Can someone tell me what kind of character/skills to pick (or link to a nice site with information)? The goonfleet wiki used to be an awesome guide for this but they haven't updated it since the changes to new character creation. I haven't played around with new character creation since the expansion that changed it was released, so can't help you there. :/ All I know is that race/bloodline doesn't matter anymore, so you're basically free to pick whatever race you want. You start off with some skills in the race you pick but its basically insignificant in the long run because you can cross train at will. | ||
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General Nuke Em
United States680 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
"0.0 is what a lot of people call EVE's "end-game" material. It's what players strive for: the most expensive ship in the game is a Titan, which works only in conjuction with big fleets, etc etc. But there is so much more to EVE. EVE PvP is the most complicated online warfare you could possibly imagine. The possibility for setting traps, outmanuvering your opponent, using ship combinations in creative ways... is limitless. A fleet with good leadership and competent members in shitty ships that, though cheap, complement one another, can take down a fleet with many times its cost in isk. It is the same way in the market. It is entirely player driven. Finding a profitable trade route is simply a matter of time and intelligence. For example, the price of an item called "implants" recently collapsed in EVE. The perception of the cheapness of implants had not yet fully hit players who had not looked at prices recently. So I bought a bunch of them, took them to a trade hub, and advertised sets of them at prices that would have been low a few weeks ago. I made 15 million isk per set, an amount that it would take an hour to make running missions for NPCs, if you had the correct skills and know-how. You can see how this is an example of "market PvP." I used the perceptions of other players to take their money. Everywhere in EVE you can see signs of incredibly smart players using their wits to gain even the slightest advantage. An "invention calculator," a simple 3rd party program that allowed a single corp to make billions of isk by plugging in the costs and benefits of "inventing" different of Tech 2 items. People watching killboards for Tech 2 BPOs, of which there are only a handful per item in the game. Every time one is destroyed, the price of its corresponding item shoots up, and those prepared for the price surge can profit greatly. There are so many fools in EVE with money, just waiting to be stolen from. Imagine this scam: two collaborators go into a trade hub. The first (call him Joe) posts a public contract, a Want to Sell order, for a very expensive item at a stupidly low price, which is immediately bought by his partner (call him Jack) before anyone else can act. Joe advertises the contract in local chat, and everyone starts commenting on it since it is, of course, incredible that anyone would be so stupid to sell such an item at such a low price. Jack gloats in the chat at having won the item, and chides Joe for being so stupid. Joe defends himself, claiming that he's done his research and that he sold the item at a fair price. In fact, he's so sure that it's fair, that he has a few others to sell. Of course at this point, other members of local chat have jumped on Joe, calling him an idiot or worse, because people in local chat in trade hubs are horrible people who delight only in others' sufferings (you have to play EVE to know this.) Joe then posts another contract and advertises it in local, except this time, the contract is a scam; either the item is similar to, but worth much less than, the item previously sold, or the price is much higher than advertised. Either way, people are falling over themselves to take advantage of Joe's apparent stupidity, so they immediately open and buy the contract without taking a close look at it. You can see that this implements common street hustling tactics into a MMO. In what other game is this possible? Every day... there's something new in EVE that baffles me. Every day I open EVE and wonder what someone will do or say to make me hang my jaw open. And every day I, myself, am thinking of new ways to make money. Some of my ideas work, and some of them don't. But it doesn't matter. The pursuit of the next brilliant idea is what matters. The best part is that I'm in a corp with the sharpest group of guys I could ask for. Team Liquiders are obviously a smart breed, because in a few short months we've got a fleet coherence and a grasp of the game that a lot of the vets in corp simply don't have. When we joined our alliance, we were amazed at the basic mistakes they were making on their PvP ops that we had figured out how to avoid long ago. It was then that we truly realized that we will be a force to be reckoned with once we get into more effective ships than tech 1 cruisers. If you want to test your wits against more than 30,000 other people, every day, in a hundred different ways, then for fuck's sake, join EVE. Other TL guys will help you grasp the tools the game provides you with. Once that happens, if you've got the right mind for it, the possibilities are endless. JOIN THE TEAM LIQUID CORP IN EVE" | ||
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starflash
190 Posts
iono what playstyle i want yet but i am almost always a pure PKer i chose this race coz it had "rebel" (but the rebels looked a bit serious for me so switched to wanderer) will join the clan as soon as i finish some more tuts question (from my friend): my friend says he really wanted an interceptor ship but he quit playing coz it takes too long . i said "you can just borrow one if you join a big clan, right?" he said "ya but you need to still have the skills to use it" im like "o rly well ill ask TL.net to clarify" | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On May 05 2009 20:35 starflash wrote: i just rolled minmatar wanderer iono what playstyle i want yet but i am almost always a pure PKer i chose this race coz it had "rebel" (but the rebels looked a bit serious for me so switched to wanderer) will join the clan as soon as i finish some more tuts question (from my friend): my friend says he really wanted an interceptor ship but he quit playing coz it takes too long . i said "you can just borrow one if you join a big clan, right?" he said "ya but you need to still have the skills to use it" im like "o rly well ill ask TL.net to clarify" Yup, it takes a heck of a long time to train to interceptor, unless you're racing to it (only training the skills strictly required), which would be pretty dumb. But in order to fly one even remotely skillfully (aka pilot error), you need to have been playing for a long while anyway. | ||
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starflash
190 Posts
market hustling is in many other mmos, to varying degrees (depending on the interface) the lowest form is person to person trading , when u frustrate someone by "accidently" cancelling the trade window multiple times, then in his annoyance/haste the guy doesn't notice you're suddenly scamming him with a different item/money its hard to draw the line in this field at what is morally acceptable (reprehensible?) and what isnt . either way you're coerxing/tricking someone | ||
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General Nuke Em
United States680 Posts
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nataziel
Australia1455 Posts
On May 05 2009 20:48 starflash wrote: haha motbob market hustling is in many other mmos, to varying degrees (depending on the interface) the lowest form is person to person trading , when u frustrate someone by "accidently" cancelling the trade window multiple times, then in his annoyance/haste the guy doesn't notice you're suddenly scamming him with a different item/money its hard to draw the line in this field at what is morally acceptable (reprehensible?) and what isnt . either way you're coerxing/tricking someone But the fact of the matter is that it's part of the game, you aren't exploiting the game itself or breaking any rules, you're exploiting people's stupidity. Which is a perfectly fine thing to do if you ask me... | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On May 05 2009 20:48 starflash wrote: haha motbob market hustling is in many other mmos, to varying degrees (depending on the interface) the lowest form is person to person trading , when u frustrate someone by "accidently" cancelling the trade window multiple times, then in his annoyance/haste the guy doesn't notice you're suddenly scamming him with a different item/money its hard to draw the line in this field at what is morally acceptable (reprehensible?) and what isnt . either way you're coerxing/tricking someone IMO using the user interface alone to trick someone is wrong (the 999 scams etc.) It's hard to put into words... but I find it distasteful that people can lose a bil simply because people perceive a mil and a bil to look almost the same. Same with faction ship scams, but to a much lesser degree. I guess I don't feel particularly strongly about either of those things. Mostly I just feel like they take no skill at all and thus aren't really commendable. I mean, if you pull off a scam like the one I was talking about, you can brag about it to your corpmates and on the forums, and feel good about yourself for hustling someone, for tricking them into thinking that YOU were the idiot. But when you do something that a machine could do (spamming local)... There's no pride to be felt. Unless you were the first one to do it, of course  Then you can feel some pride.To me, EVE isn't about making isk at all costs. To do that I could be a macro miner. EVE is about the process of making isk, and the shortcuts that you find with research and intellect. | ||
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Dexxus
United States329 Posts
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PadrinO
Canada103 Posts
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Sayara
Finland42 Posts
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