I Can't Believe it's not Themed MiniMafia - Page 12

On July 13 2012 00:43 talismania wrote:


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So actually not that many people commented on it even though I thought like everyone did oops.

My views:

scummy responses: austinmcc, dropbear

null responses: marv, mattchew, keirathi, strongandbig

townie response: gonzaw

did not respond directly although was in the thread: Risen, sciberbia, solstice

On July 13 2012 00:47 Mattchew wrote:

so me explaining why it is bad doesnt differentiate me from marv, keirathi, strongandbig

On July 13 2012 00:43 talismania wrote:

marvellosity






Predictably shits on it, suggests policy lynching me out of his annoyance that I keep proposing these dumb plans.


austinmcc


Actually this reads scummy again on the second go-round too. He says he's about to "add" something but literally just copies/expands on what marv said and doesn't add anything at all.

He says he's about to "add" something but literally just copies/expands on what marv said and doesn't add anything at all.

On July 12 2012 15:18 Risen wrote:
I think it's too early for anything. I don't really like to make reads without any connections (this might be a bad thing to do). I just think it's easier for me to make cases when I consider people as members of a team, not as individual scum members.

On July 12 2012 10:38 Risen wrote:
I was just pointing out I found it odd you would try and push people onto "lurkers" so early on. I don't think anything about you. There's nothing to go on right now. I don't think that post was in your favor, though.

On July 12 2012 15:22 Risen wrote:
For example: this could be DropBear bussing/giving his teammate a way to backtrack on his plan or it could be scum calling out a townie. I'm not saying I even have a scumread on drop as he seems to want a pro-town environment, which is something I'm all for, but this is something that could be used to confirm a connection in my mind at a later point in time.

On July 12 2012 15:22 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: He could also just be a townie doing pro-town things. This is the most likely option.

On July 12 2012 15:25 Risen wrote:
I don't like how drop is trying to take the lead here and I think previously with all this "hey mate decent line but try this instead" or "hey mate lets be bros but I don't think you should be doing this"

I generally don't like anything that could be considered guidance coming from anywhere other than a plan with spelled out logic.

On July 13 2012 00:45 talismania wrote:


Yo so this isn't true at all. I've been very clear from the beginning that I think the roleblocker should not use their power unless they have a clear shot with it or the situation demands it. Essentially, don't use it N1 or N2, then proceed cautiously.

On July 12 2012 08:05 talismania wrote:
@gonzaw on the RB: yeah for sure I don't think there's any point to a RB using their power.

On July 12 2012 18:30 Vivax wrote:
@ NSH

It's cause of a habit. I just tend to expect links in underlined words <_<.

Back to the topic:

##unvote strongandbig
Very informative post about marv there.

Wanted to vote Milton next but he posted.
He tries to make himself pretty transparent by posting his games. It's a good sign, but nothing decisive.

Speaking of meta, sciberbia doesn't look good based on that.I was with him in two games and I feel like he's being different in this one.
s0lstice already pointed out the missing fast posts we're used to see from scib at the start of the game.

That alone is forgivable given the posted reasons. But the overall gut feeling is still bad cause of the overall style.

On July 13 2012 01:37 talismania wrote:
No I don't think my plan was completely bogus. A variant worked in bastard 2 as you should know. I don't think it's that terrible if everyone follows it. Did I expect people to follow it? No. Did I expect people to react? Yes of course. Not sure how useful the reactions are but you can see my handydandy summary above.

On July 13 2012 01:34 talismania wrote:
I said in my first post "If roleblocker does exist but doesn't want to come out then I kindly request he not use his power at all until it makes sense." I mean that. I mean don't use it unless it makes sense, which means probably don't use it early on.

On July 13 2012 01:40 DropBear wrote:

I spent the entirety of bastard 2 arguing with a brick wall i.e. Acrofales. I can't even remember this plan you speak of lol.

On July 13 2012 01:39 DropBear wrote:

What do you mean by an informative post? Cos he made a case he must be town or something?

On July 13 2012 01:31 austinmcc wrote:


Talis, underlined portions of Marv's posts are what I interpret as his reactions to your plan. Underlined portions of mine are my reaction that I wrote.

Two things.
One, this. If you think I'm just "expanding on" marv, that IS adding something. Otherwise Marv's initial "no" is it, and EVERYONE who disagreed is just "expanding on no."
Two, here WAS new content, specific scenarios that I noted your plan could lead to, which I think are bad and weren't mentioned by others:

• someone will inevitably only find 1-2 people scummy and we'd end up in some "does x not making 3 cases = scummy?" discussion
• we also might end up lynching people that EVERYONE finds a little bit scummy rather than someone that a few people have a strong scumread on for good reasoning

The first scenario is bad because a really good plan is going to end up "follow this or get lynched." Look at the pick your power games, liar game, etc. With your plan, we'd have to derail the thread from scumhunting and have a policy discussion later in the game about whether someone who didn't follow "the plan," didn't post 3 suspicions, was scummy or just wasn't suspicious of 3 people. Not posting 3 cases wouldn't be alignment-indicative, so we couldn't just lynch them. There'd have to be discussion of that, which would gunk up the thread. That's the full thought process behind that point. As to the second point I made, having players*3 cases in the thread could lead us to a situation where we were lynching based on case quantity and not case quality. Oh, 70% of people are suspicious of X, so we lynch him. Even if he was most people's third choice, and we had a few folks highly suspicious of Y. Ta da.

Overall, I think your plan is bad if you want us to follow, and still bad if you want to gauge reactions to it. You got responses from a little more than half the thread, which is alright, but you need a plan that SOME people want if you're going to actually generate "discussion." You got reactions, but not actual discussion. People weren't weighing the pros and cons of the plan, people were just saying no to it. That doesn't get you the sort of interactions that I want to draw conclusions from, because nobody gains town OR scum points for being the 5th or 6th person to pooh pooh a plan that nobody likes.

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I'm more interested in Risen though. Need to read him and see if he actually doesn't have scumreads early, but does that sit alright with people? My D1 reads are AWFUL, but I still have them. How do you read the game as town and not have scumreads?


Anyway, Risen's filter is a lot of talking about how he's going to play this game. Which is helpful, lets us know his plan and can explain away some differences in behavior. But it's basically filler about oneself.

Early interaction with Gonzaw, which ends with this:

When he speaks about DropBear later, we get:


He could be scum bussing a scumbuddy. He could be scum calling out town. He's probably a townie. He's a townie but I don't like what he's doing. A lot of filter, but nothing really said.

Dunno. Being wrong as a townie is plenty forgiveable. It's going to happen, especially on the early days. But not scumhunting, or not having reads until later in the game, isn't helpful to town at all. Even if you don't trust your reads early as much as your reads late, you've got to contribute. Apart from just not having contributed much except the discussions concerning Gonzaw and DropBear, neither of whom he has any strong feelings on, it just doesn't feel like Risen has done anything this game despite having a lot of posts.