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@ Shraft
On December 25 2011 10:03 Shraft wrote:
Just read through jay's filter twice. Sure, there is some faulty logic and poor reasoning in some of his posts, but nothing that really stands out as scummy behaviour to me. I'm sticking with my vote on sephirotharg. I don't like his preemptive excuses, I don't like how he tries to twist his initial suspicious behaviour into something pro-town, I don't like how he stretches everything a bit too far in his case against jaybrundage, and I don't like how he says that he is an inexperienced player in his first post, then says it was a play to catch scum looking for an easy vote, and then invokes his noobiness in his defense later on. Noobs don't make clever traps in order to bait out scum.
On the contrary, that is exactly what noobs do. They try tricky, clever plays that usually don't pan out. Which is what I've done here, we can agree.
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On December 25 2011 06:49 GiygaS wrote:
A lot of the stuff on Jay is twisting words to say he's mafia. While the first evidence against you was indeed flavor text (the lurker thing), most of he stuff on you now is how you've reacted to things IMO. Meanwhile Jay only has weird flavor text twisting against him. BTW, I think the reason he hasn't scumhunted yet is there's pretty much him and you on the chopping block. That and I just get a tone of voice thing in yours that makes it seem you're way more concerned about getting lynched than Jay is, which I usually associate with a mafia.
What townie wouldn't care about staying alive? A townie has two goals:
1. Stay alive
2. Find scum
The first is paramount, as without it you cannot find scum. By staying alive, the townie can help scumhunt as well as aid in the fulfillment of their win condition. So I would expect any townie to work hard to stay alive, as I myself am doing.
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Well, I guess this is it. Assuming I am lynched, I'll at least have fun watching where this game progresses from here.
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On December 25 2011 11:06 sephirotharg wrote:
Cyber_Cheese: town seems more likely, but I'm not sold on his innocence yet. He puts his FoS on me early and then just watches events unfold, until the case comes up against Jay. He hops on the bandwagon pretty quickly there. I feel that a townie would have taken a closer look at me than he did. That said, I'm leaning towards town for him.
I did no such thing, and for as long as you're going to make me correct you-
On December 25 2011 07:07 sephirotharg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2011 05:38 jaybrundage wrote:
Jay- I have stated multiply times i think it was a distraction. There was no reason for you to vote for your self. It only serves to confuse people and make people second guess there own vote. Giygas stated himself that he had no idea what to think of it. Well, sure. Giygas didn't know what to think. Others understood it, mainly Misder, who told everyone we should consider it null. I've also laid out my reasons for voting for myself. So this is just a difference of opinion here.
On December 24 2011 08:02 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 07:50 GiygaS wrote:
What do people think of Seph voting for himself? Cause I have no idea how to handle this :/ Null, don't consider it as him having voted unless it's still there at lynch.
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Whoops! Sorry, I mis-attributed that.
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@sephirotharg stop contradicting yourself. You clearly aren't a noob.
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Night 1: The Night Before Christmas![[image loading]](http://jootix.com/upload/DesktopWallpapers/cache/Christmas-Presents-christmas-presents-gifts-1024x768.jpg)
"Santa!", a squeaky voice chimed, "We have news from Liquidia!"
"Oh?", Santa Claus replied, looking at the elf over his spectacles, "and what is it?".
"They've gone and MURDERED one of the other townspeople, Santa!!!"
"They did WHAT?!?!"
"It was sephirotharg, they formed a mob, and hunted him down because they thought he was scum! After they dragged him out of his house, they chased him to the town square, and then hanged him from the Christmas tree with a string of lights! It was horrible!"
"Well, I guess Liquidia won't be getting ANY presents this year, and probably not for the year after, either. Murder is rather naughty, you know..."
sephirotharg the Townie has been lynched!
Night 1 has begun! Please send all night actions to myself and Lanaia before the deadline at 12 KST 24 hours from now.
minus_human will be replaced or modkilled before the day post for failure to vote.
+ Show Spoiler [Final Vote Count] +Final Vote Count:
sephirotharg - 8
Dirkzor
Shraft
GiygaS
sephirotharg
jaybrundage
Adam4167
EchelonTee
Grackaroni
hyshes
jaybrundage - 3
sephirotharg
Misder
Dirkzor
Cyber_Cheese
Not Yet Voted:
minus_human
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Thanks for playing sir. Hope youre mafia when the results are up! 
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That is an unfortunate gonna. Sorry seph  Going to look through the thread before the end of the night now to reevaluate.
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EBWOP ninja, stupid autocorrect.
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Disappointing.
This serves as a harsh reminder to all of us. Laying a 'trap', like sephirotharg did was misguided and clearly not very well thought out. It only caused confusion where there shouldn't have been. Lets not try to get fancy with 'traps', and return to some basics - good analysis and logic. A mislynch is a setback, but it is recoverable if we all just play sensibly and intelligently.
At least he gave us something to work with, we now know his reads are unbiased. Lets go back, read everything and make informed choices on Day 2. In some games its suggested that the town should shut down in the night phase and not post, I recommend we do not do this. Day 1 was very centered around sephiroth and as a result, very little discussion on anyone else came up, so we need to generate more content to analyze to get off on the right foot for day 2.
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Sucks Sep was town
Moving on.
I would like to lynch hyshes next he has not attributed much to the discussion at all.
And in general has not posted anything that has any significance
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Alright, that didn't go so well.
That mislynch was caused by both his actions, and a majority of us being relatively content with having found someone that looked scummy.
For as long as there are more scum out there than we can lynch per day, we should be scum hunting after we find a most likely candidate.
Of particular concern to me was sheep voting. A few people sheep voted, if I had to name names, they would be
Dirkzor
Shraft
Jaybrundage
Hyshes
The former two make the list because their initial votes were merely pressure. Their decision to be on the wagon at the end of the day is what matters most, and they borrowed logic from others.
At some point you're going to have to make reads on candidates other than the one you want to hang most, to make sure there is a majority if you think someone is scum. It's ok to not have new content in an analysis on a bandwagon you want to join. Scum only say so many scummy things each, it's not like every word is overflowing with scummyness, so at some point the amount of new things to contribute is going to run dry. As a townie, you have to recognise that your argument brings nothing new, and show in your post both who helped you and what logic of theirs convinced you.
The problems with reading people arise when townies get content with sheeping, and not doing any analysis. Again, if you're sheep voting, realise that you are, and show the logic that convinced you a person is scummy.
Dirkzor, Shraft, Jaybrundage and Hyshes: Tell us what convinced you to be on the lynch at the end of the day. More importantly, if you could kill somebody right now, who would it be and why?.
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Cyber quick question for you who would you want to lynch atm. Would you vote still go to me?
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On December 25 2011 14:52 jaybrundage wrote:
Cyber quick question for you who would you want to lynch atm. Would you vote still go to me?
Yes and no. Yes in that I think there's a good chance you'd flip scum, but potentially I would flip one of those other three based on how they say they reached their conclusions, and who they say they would flip now.
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On December 25 2011 14:42 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Alright, that didn't go so well.
That mislynch was caused by both his actions, and a majority of us being relatively content with having found someone that looked scummy.
For as long as there are more scum out there than we can lynch per day, we should be scum hunting after we find a most likely candidate.
Of particular concern to me was sheep voting. A few people sheep voted, if I had to name names, they would be
Dirkzor
Shraft
Jaybrundage
Hyshes
The former two make the list because their initial votes were merely pressure. Their decision to be on the wagon at the end of the day is what matters most, and they borrowed logic from others.
At some point you're going to have to make reads on candidates other than the one you want to hang most, to make sure there is a majority if you think someone is scum. It's ok to not have new content in an analysis on a bandwagon you want to join. Scum only say so many scummy things each, it's not like every word is overflowing with scummyness, so at some point the amount of new things to contribute is going to run dry. As a townie, you have to recognise that your argument brings nothing new, and show in your post both who helped you and what logic of theirs convinced you.
The problems with reading people arise when townies get content with sheeping, and not doing any analysis. Again, if you're sheep voting, realise that you are, and show the logic that convinced you a person is scummy.
Dirkzor, Shraft, Jaybrundage and Hyshes: Tell us what convinced you to be on the lynch at the end of the day. More importantly, if you could kill somebody right now, who would it be and why?.
As an addendum to this: It's not enough to pick a bandwagon and show which logic you stole. If you join a bandwagon, and don't have original logic for being on that wagon, you have to be prodding people and producing analysis on people other than the bandwagon you are joining.
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zzzzz. What we learned is to differentiate between anti-town behavior and scummy behavior.
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OK, Ive reread misder and cyber_cheese’s cases on jaybrundage from day 1 and I find myself unconvinced. After reading everyone’s filter I find one person sticks out more then the rest:
Hyshes -
His filter does not give much to work with, only 4 posts, with one being the /in post.
All of his posts consist of one or two lines, thus very lacking in content.
This post in particular has me worried. Hyshes says “I’m not gonna allow him to screw around here a bit and then get away with it”. It feels as though hyshes is more interested in punishing sephirotharg for his bad play, rather than hanging him because he believes he’s scum.
Hyshes, I am understanding that you subbed into this game late, and that it is also Christmas, but please, start posting more posts with actual content and lurking less.
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