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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 27 2011 23:43 Caller wrote: I dont understand why nobody believes that I annihilated GGQ's ass do you doubt the size of my penis? come at me bro | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Fishball is active, which is more than many other players so far. Caller will either start contributing or not. As long as he is active for now, he gets some grace. I will make a real post tonight, but lets ease off on the early day 1 votes/wagons. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Day 1 Votes With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch Hessmyrr (1) - Kurumi Fishball (1) - deconduo Not voting yet - Caller, Scamp, Fishball, Hessmyrr, Radfield, BloodyC0bbler, ilovejohn, sandroba, LSB, Amber[Light], RebirthofLegend, Chezinu, Jackal58, Chaoser Day 1 ends on Wednesday June 29th @ 12AM ET/13:00 KST | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On June 25 2011 18:03 Radfield wrote: I also disagree with some kind of voting pressure platform. We don't need to "pressure" lurking players, we need to lynch them. It's post or die in this set-up, as anything in between screws us in the endgame. Any player coasting Day 1, or setting "traps" etc is playing sub-optimally, as this is not a normal game. You actually do need to pressure lurkers untop of lynching them. See if they don't talk and you kill them whoever pushes their death we learn nothing of really if there is a coroner role. However, if we have the joy of seeing them talk, then find out what they are later via some form of coroner role, we learn lots of info's. Hell just getting them talking gives us info on their possible alignment / alignment of others. All discussion in a setup like this is good, and you want those "lurkers" input on shit too. On June 25 2011 20:21 Radfield wrote: "Shaped up" seems a little strong considering it was his first post.... Disagreement is fine. However, my intention is to try to avoid a no-lynch for Day 1. The likelyhood of being able to muster 10 votes on an active red player is next to zero for Day 1, as any case will be slim, and there will be 3 other reds directing suspicion in other ways. However, I'll admit that I forgot this was a Night 0 start, so that makes a Day 1 mafia lynch more likely. However, it's true that I don't think a no-lynch is all that bad in this set-up, Particularly a Day 1 no-lynch. With no-flip, we learn less each lynch than normal. Also, we very likely have a ton of blue roles, and with only 1 KP to worry about, time is on our side. A no-lynch Day 1 likely just gives us an extra lynch later on in the game. To be clear: I am not advocating a no-lynch, simply pointing out that in this set-up of all set-ups, a no-lynch is not terrible. /confirm Man I feel like this is already the "Lets harass radfield" post. But again you post some gems of total wuhhhhhhh A no lynch is not "terrible" but it is also not good. For every No lynch we as a town achieve, their is less information we can analyze. Who was strongly associated with who, who pushed what, who was flip floppy, etc..... Someone dying gives us a ton of information. People who made a commitment to one side. Keep in mind in a setup with no flip, mafia are going to slip up far more often. There is no longer a huge risk if they support eachother more than normal, or an issue if one outs theirself early on. The only way we can hold anyone accountable is based on their opinions in thread. The best way to do this is via the lynch. People have to take a stand somewhere. A no lynch means no one has a strong stance on anything aside from "i think everyone is fine" In this game someone always has a suspicion. We act on those and argue, we don't sit back and let mafia pick us off one by one while we stick our hands over our ears and scream to drown people out. On June 26 2011 02:20 ilovejonn wrote: I'd have to agree with Radfield here. He is not advocating a no-lynch Day 1, it's just that no-lynch is very situational and it could be in favor of town, but it could also favor scum. If we can't actually reach an agreement as town with focus to lynch someone, then I don't see why no-lynch is a bad idea at all. Yes, if we hit scum that's great, but we can also hit a blue role or a townie, and with no-flip we can't really analyze those who pushed for the lynch unless a Coroner comes out to confirm the death of the player. Sure, it gives scum a free hit at night, but I'd rather the town gather their act together and have the game slower paced so we have more time to analyze things instead having 2 dead townies per cycle. However, I think during the beginning phases of the game we should just go with a lynch. When we do have more information mid and late game, where we think the person being put up for lynch is very likely townie, then we should apply the no-lynch then. Again, no-lynch is definitely situational and can favor both town and scum. On the matter of lynching lurkers/inactives, I am in agreement that lurkers will be a problem late game and we should get rid of them, but I'd also like to see with this player roster will there actually be any lurkers before we do make a decision on who to lynch. I'd prefer strongly we look for whoever seems the most scummy from their posts first and place that as a priority before lynching lurkers. In the case we really don't have any potential suspects them I am all for lynching lurkers. Claims. Don't take any claim to be true, blah blah, no-flip, common knowledge. I agree if there is a DT claiming a check we lynch the DT first. Then if a Coroner exists in this game (which I think it should since this is no-flip), confirm whether or not the person is actually DT before we advocate the lynch on the checked target. However, this also means DT's should not needlessly claim unless in a dire situation or you've nailed mafia goon. We don't need you to claim if you've found anything but scum period. Just emphasizing how little you have said here aside from going "I agree with radfield and now repost shit already said" On June 26 2011 05:03 GGQ wrote: It's been brushed over, but I just want to stress real quick that a 'no lynch' is not nearly as damaging to town when it's no flip and scum has only 1kp. Obviously we can't get in the habit of doing it, but we shouldn't be treating it as taboo. Also, on a personal note, let's make sure we are all engaging with the game right away rather than waiting until we are at 9 players left and wondering if it's lylo. -_- No lynch is always damaging. Even more so in this setup. In this situation a no lynch gives you less information by drastic amounts than in a regular game. Mafia are the only ones who benefit from a no lynch unless we are down to the mylo stage. I repeat, the mylo stage is the only case that no lynch is even acceptable. I currently have 3 players linked to the hip, man and im only on page 6 sick shit. On June 26 2011 07:45 GGQ wrote: -1 point for questioning the value of discussion without bringing up another topic -1 point for insulting other posters -1 point for outright refusing to contribute. 'I'm not here to give answers' ... ??? Yeah you kind of are, unless you don't want town to win. lawl? This post screams random accusation on someone who was being rude yet right. The discussion of No lynch is too predominant and lets people sheep without a valid opinion behind it. Fishball looks far better in this situation than you do ggq. On June 26 2011 10:55 chaoser wrote: Sup guys, finally found some free time to post. Let's see here, first of all Radfield's plan is pretty legit in my eyes and makes sense. While I was playing RoL's first experimental, my teammate and I just lurked our way through the game, saying only as much as was needed, sometimes even nothing for 24 hour stretches. I definitely feel like, in no-flip games, even more so than others that policy lynching lurkers is key. Now there's still a difference between lurker and inactive but in this group of people I think the lurkers will stick out like a sore thumb. I completely agree with the vigi of people who vote and then leave. At this point I'd say I agree with most Radfield's points and the rest are just minor semantic details. As such, I think having a medic on him for Night 0 would be pretty good. At the same time, I want to ask Scamp what he saw in Radfield's plan that suggested to him that it was pushing a no-lynch policy. You kinda posted a one liner and then never came back to respond to it so I was wondering if you could clarify. nom nom nom another radfield lover nom nom nom. No lynch is bad, period. I have said it, others have said it, and this is the first post of yours I have stumbled across. First one sheeping up to radfield no less! Also policy lynching in this setup is dumb as fuck. Mafia have no issue being active in a setup that does not punish them for it. Inactives or lurkers are far more likely to be disillusioned townies in this setup. In a game of veteran players as well you can never trust the idea of a policy lynch on players who could purposely be doing it to see who attacks them. This isn't newbie game 101, this is closed casket. On June 27 2011 18:53 Radfield wrote: I think it's very possible we have a Serial Killer. Any town KP would be directed at lurking players, not at an active player in the thread. I highly doubt anyone will claim either kill. Hi Chez. Did you kill GM last night? I agree 100%, but there is still plenty of time Day 1. I disagree. If I was a town vig I'd have shot into people being active as there is more information on them. People like you seem to prefer the idea of lynching lurkers so why would any vig want to shoot them. Their job with your ideals is to kill mafia within the actives. Sheesh. On June 27 2011 21:43 deconduo wrote: Unless I see them step up their posting significantly, I would suggest Fishball/Caller for today. No use keeping them around to crap up the thread. Alternatively, if someone highly scummy shows up we can lynch them. I can see your issue on caller, fishball has actually been fairly solid -_- he says alot with very little whereas people like radfield say almost nothing with a lot. FoS for looking at the wrong people. On June 27 2011 23:30 deconduo wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php -Super defensive -Resorting to (bad) personal attacks -Still hasn't contributed. Has Fishball stepped up his posting? Nope. ##Vote Fishball Find me a post of yours that shows real contribution or you are as guilty as he is. Personal attack? He compared your play this game to a game you were red, IE he FoS'd you. You missed the point and attacked him without answering it. FoS again. Since ggq was killed. ILJ has vanished but was super pro radfield's dumb shit, Decon has been shifty as hell, Chaoser pulled an ILJ and radfield has been throwing down bad idea after bad idea. As such I am opting to vote mr raddy off the island unless he stops being dumb. ##vote radfield | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On June 27 2011 23:57 Radfield wrote: Amber, our votes should not begin going down until the end of the first 24 hours, at that gives us some time to discuss. The second 24 hours is when we should begin putting down our votes. Fishball is active, which is more than many other players so far. Caller will either start contributing or not. As long as he is active for now, he gets some grace. I will make a real post tonight, but lets ease off on the early day 1 votes/wagons. Votes force suspicion you tard. By waiting for the last 24 hours you are denying us a full day of getting clear input on suspects from people. Seriously? Are you always this pro scum? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On June 28 2011 02:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I can see your issue on caller, fishball has actually been fairly solid -_- he says alot with very little whereas people like radfield say almost nothing with a lot. FoS for looking at the wrong people. Show me one 'solid' contribution from Fishball please Find me a post of yours that shows real contribution or you are as guilty as he is. Personal attack? He compared your play this game to a game you were red, IE he FoS'd you. You missed the point and attacked him without answering it. FoS again. No it was a personal attack. He has said repeatedly elsewhere that I made the wrong play in PYP3 (which I disagree with) and this is what he was referencing. Nothing to do with being mafia, YOU read it wrong. As for contributing posts, I've done my best considering its only Day 1 so how about these two: + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2011 20:36 deconduo wrote: First off, I highly encourage people to have a look through RoL's experimental mafia games. These were mini no-flip games where everyone was anonymous: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=212874 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216543 GMarshal: -Policy lynch Chezinu Day 1. Each game is different, so he certainly deserves a chance. So far he seems to playing fine so I don't agree with it. If neccessary (if we have one) he can be vigged. -Lynch both DT and DT's guilty. I feel that, while this is a good idea in a lot of circumstances, there are occasions where mafia could abuse this policy, especially given that its a closed setup and we don't know what roles are around. Definitely should be some discussion before enacting this automatically here. -Claims: I feel there are occasions where claiming is the right choice, but should be met with extreme scepticism. As there is no way to verify any claims, don't do it unless you have a damn good reason (medic protect/vig shot) Radfield: -Inactive Day 1 lynch. I agree with, unless something happens during Night 0. If you have a look at ROL's Experimental 1, you'll see that inactives lost us the game. Going into the last day we had people with a handful of posts each, totally unable to be analysed. One thing that should absolutely not be tolerated in a no-flip game is lurkers. -Claims: Same as above, we can see what will happen after night 0. On June 27 2011 18:26 deconduo wrote: First of all, if a townie shot last night they should claim imo. Otherwise I'm going to assume theres 2 anti-town KP. I don't see why a townie would shoot either of the most active players, especially as neither of them has done anything suspicious. Fishball and Caller have been totally useless, and I'm waiting to see if LSB has anything to say. These are the people that should be up for lynching today. In a no reveal setup, anyone thats just fucking around without giving of any reads needs to die. Chezinu is playing properly despite all expectations. Mafia that wants to win? | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On June 27 2011 23:30 deconduo wrote: -Super defensive -Resorting to (bad) personal attacks -Still hasn't contributed. Has Fishball stepped up his posting? Nope. ##Vote Fishball Me? Defensive? lol. (Bad) personal attacks? I only speak the truth. So if I start using the "shit"™ word, you'll start crying to mommy right? Contribute, contribute, contribute. I'm sick of these puny accusations every game. Not making a 12893019 word analysis does not mean not contributing; I'm constantly thinking how scummy you're acting, for real. ##Vote deconduo | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
i shot (or saved) him last night but apparently it didnt go off or something really curious why my sodomy was so devastating, though | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On June 28 2011 02:31 Caller wrote: bc we can wait until day 3 to kill radfield i shot (or saved) him last night but apparently it didnt go off or something really curious why my sodomy was so devastating, though Well, anyone taking your elephant sized dick in the ass is going to be devastating. RAGING HOLE INCOMING  | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
Hell i was inactive during the night but damn, is this shit really going unnoticed by everyone? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On June 28 2011 02:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Decon, seriously? All his posts are direct and to the point. Have you ever played a game with him before? This is how he plays. His posts are his contributions, each one are very pro town. As for you "contribution" it is a rehash of shit already in thread and "i agrees" to shit. Its not solid contributing. Hell i was inactive during the night but damn, is this shit really going unnoticed by everyone? Yes I have and he was terrible in both games. He got lynched in both games and thoroughly deserved it. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2011 13:18 Fishball wrote: Why am I Town again. I loathe Town. Useless On June 25 2011 13:27 Fishball wrote: Mafia list: 1. GCQ 2. GMarshal 3. ??? 4. ??? Awesome, both dead. Only 2 mafia left now. Useless On June 25 2011 13:32 Fishball wrote: Can't we just start the blood shed now. This is boring. Useless On June 26 2011 05:41 Fishball wrote: Why are we discussing Day 1 lynch so much for now? It's a Night 0 start, and a lot can develop over to Day 1. Complains and doesn't help at all. In other words useless, On June 26 2011 06:53 Fishball wrote: First, I only asked a question regarding the logic behind this Day 1 lynch discussion on a Night 0 start. This is far from "shooting down the current discussion". For all I care, you guys can just ignore what I said and continue. Hell we only have 6 hours or so left. Second, if you're too dumb to figure out a better topic, that's your problem. Like I said, I asked a question; I'm not here to give answers. More complaining and doing nothing. On June 26 2011 08:39 Fishball wrote: - Who says I have to bring up another topic? - When did I insult other players? I said "If you're" - Bad reading comprehension is bad. - Refusing to contribute? You obviously don't see what I see. I'm keeping a close eye on all those who have proposed their grand lynching plan. Defends himself but still doesn't give anything useful. On June 26 2011 09:20 Fishball wrote: How can you forget? You had half a hand in it. In DrH's experimental game, I purposely got myself lynched as a social experiment and player profiling. Then I was also lynched in PYP3 where I was the Traitor, which was to be expected after lynching you confirmed a Traitor existed in the game and it was only a matter of time people worked up the list. My main purpose at that time was to waste as many lynches as possible. In short, I was never lynched as a real Mafia candidate ever since the start of TL Mafia in Feb 2008. Spam On June 26 2011 10:02 Fishball wrote: You can still push to lynch me. It does not matter to me, but other players might question your motives, whatever that motive is. Anyways, who are you killing tonight? Spam On June 27 2011 07:18 Fishball wrote: Ding Ding Ding. Finally someone notices their own mistake, whether legit or not. This is why I said - It's mind boggling to me that some players would not notice this, or they're doing it on purpose. I wonder why. Awesomely helpful On June 27 2011 23:23 Fishball wrote: Such a hypocrite, and daft to boot. Although after what you displayed in PYP3, I expected nothing less from you. Or do you have a different agenda? Oh well, time will tell. It is not likely this game will have that sort of setup. That would be way overboard. I'm more intrigued that you would even think that way. More useless stuff. Direct and to the point. If the point is to be utterly useless. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On June 28 2011 02:47 Kurumi wrote: Post by post analysis? Jeez,that's so two thousand and late. Not so much an analysis as showing that he hasn't done ANYTHING so far this game, despite what BC is claiming. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On June 27 2011 23:15 Kurumi wrote: He claimed three roles at once,so he is vanilla or veteran,is that so hard? I do not follow that logic. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
I do not follow Your logic. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On June 28 2011 02:41 deconduo wrote: Yes I have and he was terrible in both games. He got lynched in both games and thoroughly deserved it. Herp derp, someone likes to live in his own fantasy world. I can quote all the post game analysis done on you by OTHERS after this game, as well as our little PM conversation that I treasure like a maiden's virginity. You can continue to be delusional as you will, but I'm sure other players can figure out things on their own. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On June 28 2011 03:19 Fishball wrote: Herp derp, someone likes to live in his own fantasy world. I can quote all the post game analysis done on you by OTHERS after this game, as well as our little PM conversation that I treasure like a maiden's virginity. You can continue to be delusional as you will, but I'm sure other players can figure out things on their own. I rest my case  | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On June 28 2011 02:41 deconduo wrote: Yes I have and he was terrible in both games. He got lynched in both games and thoroughly deserved it. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2011 13:18 Fishball wrote: Why am I Town again. I loathe Town. Useless On June 25 2011 13:27 Fishball wrote: Mafia list: 1. GCQ 2. GMarshal 3. ??? 4. ??? Awesome, both dead. Only 2 mafia left now. Useless On June 25 2011 13:32 Fishball wrote: Can't we just start the blood shed now. This is boring. Useless On June 26 2011 05:41 Fishball wrote: Why are we discussing Day 1 lynch so much for now? It's a Night 0 start, and a lot can develop over to Day 1. Complains and doesn't help at all. In other words useless, On June 26 2011 06:53 Fishball wrote: First, I only asked a question regarding the logic behind this Day 1 lynch discussion on a Night 0 start. This is far from "shooting down the current discussion". For all I care, you guys can just ignore what I said and continue. Hell we only have 6 hours or so left. Second, if you're too dumb to figure out a better topic, that's your problem. Like I said, I asked a question; I'm not here to give answers. More complaining and doing nothing. On June 26 2011 08:39 Fishball wrote: - Who says I have to bring up another topic? - When did I insult other players? I said "If you're" - Bad reading comprehension is bad. - Refusing to contribute? You obviously don't see what I see. I'm keeping a close eye on all those who have proposed their grand lynching plan. Defends himself but still doesn't give anything useful. On June 26 2011 09:20 Fishball wrote: How can you forget? You had half a hand in it. In DrH's experimental game, I purposely got myself lynched as a social experiment and player profiling. Then I was also lynched in PYP3 where I was the Traitor, which was to be expected after lynching you confirmed a Traitor existed in the game and it was only a matter of time people worked up the list. My main purpose at that time was to waste as many lynches as possible. In short, I was never lynched as a real Mafia candidate ever since the start of TL Mafia in Feb 2008. Spam On June 26 2011 10:02 Fishball wrote: You can still push to lynch me. It does not matter to me, but other players might question your motives, whatever that motive is. Anyways, who are you killing tonight? Spam On June 27 2011 07:18 Fishball wrote: Ding Ding Ding. Finally someone notices their own mistake, whether legit or not. This is why I said - It's mind boggling to me that some players would not notice this, or they're doing it on purpose. I wonder why. Awesomely helpful On June 27 2011 23:23 Fishball wrote: Such a hypocrite, and daft to boot. Although after what you displayed in PYP3, I expected nothing less from you. Or do you have a different agenda? Oh well, time will tell. It is not likely this game will have that sort of setup. That would be way overboard. I'm more intrigued that you would even think that way. More useless stuff. Direct and to the point. If the point is to be utterly useless. Just saying, although I didn't follow PYP Insane, I'm pretty sure he was a greenie. And I dunno about you, but lynching greenies kindof unsettles me. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
Just looking at meta on decon from the several games I've played with him I get the feeling he is town. He's not bashful straight out of the gate as a townie. He tends to be more subdued when he plays scum until late game. | ||
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