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On July 31 2013 07:28 Stutters695 wrote: If you're town I'd like your thoughts. If you're scum fuck up and give up the scum team plz. Also what did you learn about Oats from your gambit? What were you expecting to learn when you originally stated it? I was playing without restrictions. Going in blindly. So it was a lot of #yolo play. Oats didn't really react so I don't know. I am a bit lacking on the reads department. You are not going to like this but I think FT is probably town. If you look at his play when he pressured JAT the first time, went to somebody else, and after a good defense he went back to FT. Clarity looks town to me as well. Can't put my finger on it but I am running with that as well. | ||
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justanothertownie
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WTF. On July 31 2013 07:06 Koshi wrote: JAT doesn't look new at all when I actually read his filter. Especially page 3 is pretty hardcore. This makes his first 2 posts look pretty bad. Are you serious? That's the best you could come up with? And yes I'm aware of the fact I didn't follow through with my hz/tofu case. That's because it was not up to date anymore and I would have needed to add the new information gained by all the claims and reactions tonight. When I tried to put it together I started to become unsure and waited and since my conversation with hz earlier I'm seriously doubting my read on him. The case was a mix of hz/tofu with a lot of connection between them and if I doubt the hz part of it I can't justificate the whole case as it is. Therefore I didn't post it. Btw. like I said to oats before - do you want prove I'm new? I can give it to you easily. | ||
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Alright, I've gotta catch a bus. I'm not done with a few people but as soon as I'm back home, I'll finish up. This is what I have so far. This stuff is straight out of the notes I've been compiling all game so some of it might be outdated. These profiles are by no means done. I'm just posting it because everyone pretty much knows where I stand on everything thus far and the more detailed analysis we get in this game, the better. + Show Spoiler [Oats] + Oats has a lot of posts where he pokes and prods various people for information. On July 27 2013 10:01 Oatsmaster wrote: We should lynch the lurker with the least posts. Koshi is clearly not one of them. Clearly. So Paperscraps, why is Day 1 hard to get solid reads as opposed to other days? On July 27 2013 10:43 Oatsmaster wrote: fuck your rum. I assume you dont want to lynch lurkers then CJS. Why not? Do you think scum will not lurk at all? On July 27 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote: What trap? Like what trap are you talking about? Do you like lurkers in town? CJS, I think that at least 1 or 2 scum will be labeled as a lurker and with only probably 3-4 town, its a much smaller pool to look at as opposed to all 14 people. On July 27 2013 11:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Lynching a lurker is awesome. Have you never seen lurkers flip scum? So are you definetely not going to lynch a lurker then, why is lynching a lurker bad? Makes a case on JAT. On July 28 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: yup justanothertownie dude is scum. Look at his first post. justanothertownie thinks its not a joke. But he doesnt explain why scum would do it, summerizes Paperscraps actions and just says its scummy. Scum take jokes seriously cause they play the game seriously. extreme nitpicking here, clearly paperscraps was using generalization and notice that justanothertownie just throws shit on him without explain how or why its scummy. Like pointing out supposed bad posts without explain why. scumtell. Ok look at his thoughts on CJS, I assume he is leaning null scummy. In his very next post commenting on CJS post, his view drastically changes. looks like he wants to sheep CJS, off this horrific accusations without anything to back them up with. contradictions and shit, way over generalization. And it makes justanormaltownie want to sheep him? I dont buy it, justanormaltownie wants to support this set of lynches/lynch and see if I could possibly be mislynched. ##vote: justanormaltownie Doesn't look particularly alignment indicative, but seems to be calling him out on newbie mistakes that town and scum could both make. On July 28 2013 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote: CJS is totally town. Town dont care how they look so they play around right. Scum care how they look so they dont. And therefore because they dont play around, they tend to pick out joking posts as scummy, one part because without context, its scummy so any easy reason, and another part is that they just dont see the joke. So why would scum vote so carelessly early game? He knows that exarezee is reletively active at that point and probably wont get lynched so why put yourself in the spotlight that way. Random votes like that are strong towntells and you not seeing it and insisting you are right is scummy. Papers is in no way contradicting himself, he says lynch lurkers sure, but if he has a strong scum read on a non lurker, lynch that dude first. HOW IN THE FUCKING WORLD IS THAT A CONTRADICTION? pulling shit out of your ass to make your point here. About your 180 on CJS. "i have to agree with you" Is that not sheeping? You havent provided any of your own reasons why me or Vayne are scum, but you have scumreads on us because of that one LOUSY FUCKING POST that CJS posted. What made you so convinced that CJS was not scum from that post justanothertownie? Another tunnel-ish post by Oats. Starting to feel town. + Show Spoiler [Clarity] + The case he made on me. On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm not quite sure what that means. "looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread"? Could you explain? Anyway, disagree completely with your conclusion which you reached a full 7 minutes after I asked (excluding when you actually read my post and made your own) _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ FirmTofu would like us all to actually discuss the game, instead of all this fluff that's going on, like everyone talking about the lurker lynch policy! Granted, this post might have been in context with Koshi's 1,2,3 posts, but that was Koshi trying to prove a point. Firmtofu before this point however, did not discuss anything other than lurker lynch policy: + Show Spoiler + On July 27 2013 09:25 FirmTofu wrote: Okay, I'm back on a computer. This comes up every game. How scummy does someone have to be for you to want to lynch them over a lurker? You have to consider that lynching lurkers provides very little information whereas lynching scummy people might tell us a lot about how people are related to one another. On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote: To all of you that are out there... Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not? On July 27 2013 09:41 FirmTofu wrote: Personally, I think we should use it as a last resort. Lynch a lurker only if 1) Half the town is lurking or 2) All the active people look genuinely helpful/useful and none of them look like good lynches. Shitting on town, regardless of if you're being a hypocrite or not, is something scum love doing. Then there is the useless vote with an easy out, classic scum: "I am voting for you, and I will keep my vote on you until you do X!" This is not a vote to kill scum, this is a vote to have a vote on someone, and he backs off the moment his demands are met. Not only does he back off the moment he's able to, he's also wishy-washy about the case itself. But the most troubling things I found were his last two posts: Notice how he explains that he's having a hard time reading CJS because of his roleplay, and Paperscraps would be a good lynch too because he's hard to read. That's all well and good, pressure them to be more easier to read, but the mindset is revealed in the part I bolded. He first claims that if he had to lynch someone it would be CJS or Paper because they're currently hard to read, but now he's suddenly saying he's suspicious that they're scum? why? Then he throws a random unsolicited townread into his post, because scum love giving townreads. This post is the epitome of useless. Instead of focusing on the information we do have, Firm decides to point out that there's no point in scumhunting because for all we know all the people who haven't posted are scum. FirmTofu is pretty likely scum and our best lynch right now. I don't think scum would be the first to form a case on anyone. It draws too much attention and isn't necessary early in the game. On July 28 2013 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote: I mean, I find the thing FirmTofu just did kinda hard to fake. Like, I guess if you're superscum it's like a mindgame thing, but if that were the case why did he seem so scummy in the first 12 hours. ##Unvote Am actually gonna be gone for a couple of hours but shall return later, look forward to hearing from Malongo. Unvotes after reading my response to the case and the "townslip" that makes me look town. I don't think scum would drop a case this easily. If Clarity was scum, I'd expect him to tunnel me a little longer. + Show Spoiler [CJS] + Most of CJS' early posting was Pirates roleplay. I'm ignoring most of that. On July 27 2013 23:08 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: My vote still stands, and I believe that it is the correct one for this situation. Oatsmaster is acting like scum. He is refusing to give us any decent information whatsoever, just mucking up the thread with sarcastic one-liners and not giving us any insight on his opinions or anything. He is the perfect example of scum trying to blend in and be in the conversation, yet his words hold no meaning and are merely just filler. If you take them out, his filter is left with: And that, my friends, is not someone I want to give rum to. This post looks like something town would say. Calling someone out for trying to blend in. I disagree with the conclusion, but I think the move is townie. On July 27 2013 23:35 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Then why do you not vote for FirmTofu? You just said that you think they are both scum and that you want to vote for them, but you don't think paperscraps is as scummy as FirmTofu. So your vote should be clear. Why is it not clear to you then? Calls out hzflank on his misplaced intentions. I REALLY like this post. CJS is looking for scum motivation here. Looks like active scumhunting. On July 27 2013 23:42 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: You said that you think at least one of them as scum. So that would mean that you are trying to figure out who is scummier? I bolded two sentences in your post which contradict each other. You would rather vote paperscraps first, but you think FirmTofu is scummier. Am I missing something? Again, calls people our for their misplaced intentions. Very town move. On July 28 2013 01:11 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Right now, I'm leaning towards you being scum. I'm trying to figure out whether Vayne is stupid or scum, and I'm leaning towards stupid. I'd also like to point out that a lot of people have not posted to a satisfactory level, and any one of them could be scum lurking in the shadows. We have quite a ways to go before anyone dies, so a lot of things can change. Read on Vayne slightly changes based on a short exchange between them. This shows he is adapting based on new information. + Show Spoiler [rayn] + Still working on this. + Show Spoiler [Malongo] + On July 28 2013 14:29 Malongo wrote: Sparrow pfff another smurf. So far in the inactive players I see 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 9. Stutters695 In the hyper-activity side I see: 1. Oatsmaster 4. IMCaptainJackSparrow 10. hzflank 14. exarezee Everyone else is meh-activity wise. So far my best pick is hzflank I really didnt like this post from hzflank: The think about starting the day lynching a lurker ise c to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflank Id be happy to lynch CJS for no reason too ( I just hate attention-smurfs ). I've played with town Malongo a few times and he NEVER does this type of stuff. Can't tell if his meta is changing or he is scum trying to look pro-town. The list by activity is utterly useless. The case on hzflank is meager, but it does establish his stance on the lynch. On July 29 2013 06:44 Malongo wrote: This is hzflank on Paper: How can that be mafia if the game had just started? You expect something like a paper on who is mafia based on 10 pages of posts? guy addressed one by one each player and you get angry because he doesnt respond directly to you This is a lie as proof you can actually find the exchange that he actually answers you directly: So actually you are telling that you dont understand Paper so he is not town. See the logic flaw? Well actually his one sentence makes more sense to me than these case. He calls Vivax directly lurker because there was no reason behind his vote. How is that in any ways indicative of mafia? if something he liked your own way to be abrasive. What? most people look at Paper as null towards townie, I dont see anyone calling him town. What I am sure is your post is really forced towards Paper This case is a lot better and appears near the lynch. The lie he caught hzflank in is especially interesting. More importantly, this establishes Malongo as someone who was AGAINST the Paper lynch but FOR the hzflank lynch. If Paper flips town, Malongo looks good. If Paper flips scum, this could be a possible teammate. On July 29 2013 22:39 Malongo wrote: hz is top of tops to me. Next to him active lurkers like JAT and VA should be put in line asap. I read a lot of inconsistency in Vivax and I found it odd that you are/were pushing so hard on Koshi who is town from my perspective. but neither of those things look alligment indicative to me. Post-lynch consistency On July 30 2013 09:41 Malongo wrote: If there is no miller there is no chance in hell you are telling the truth. Vigi on me asap, clear the vigi you and me, im green. This is an odd response. Why didn't he ask vigi to hit Vayne? After all, if he knows Vayne is lying, shouldn't he assume he is scum? On July 31 2013 00:20 Malongo wrote: Because i am green townie and in this position I have little to no chance to know what is happening behind the scenes. My real initial guess was "player x contacted VA and claimed a positive check". VA has no other chance but to call me out behind a lie. I think all the time VA is blue because of his posting... so if I ask a hit on VA and goes on is a lot worse than a hit on me. This is really weird. Malongo thinks pms are allowed? lol wtf? What a conspiracy theory. Probably town at this point, but has some really weird posts. + Show Spoiler [Vayne] + Starts off with a bunch of stupid joke posts trying to look scummy? Really weird play. On July 29 2013 06:16 VayneAuthority wrote: ##unvote ##vote:vivax playing like he does as scum. Long winded light on content posts, trying to get people mislynched for trivial things, and readjusting course when it doesn't work. If he's not scum I will need to re-assess my thoughts on his play. Meta argument by Vayne. Flimsy justification. Don't really like this post at all. On July 30 2013 09:21 VayneAuthority wrote: I have a guilty check on malongo. awaiting his response! Now that we know that this was a fakeclaim, I just don't see scum pulling this kind of move. On July 30 2013 09:49 VayneAuthority wrote: to get some concrete reads, I have been barely reading the thread since it was just a bunch of useless stuff. I added in my own useless reads. Time to start playing for real This feels exactly like something town Vayne would do/say. He was an asshole like this in Nuclear Winter and he was town in that game. Feels town here too. + Show Spoiler [Stutters] + Still working on this. + Show Spoiler [hzflank] + On July 27 2013 17:21 hzflank wrote: First impressions: I do not like how much discussion there has been about lurkers. The first post was palatable, but the fact that so many people decided to focus the conversation on it created an environment that benefits scum more than town. To talk about lurking policy properly would require a conversation about mafia-theory and philosophy, which is a conversation that allows scum to both hide easily and setup town-town wagons on day one. Paperscraps is the scummiest player to have posted so far. That does not mean that you should find a fence to sit on. There are many pro-town things that you could be doing on day 1 even if you have a hard time forming good scum reads. This post is so scummy, as it is just throwing mud for no good reason. I did not like this post by Tofu as I cannot tell whether he is actually prodding or looking for a soft target. The bolded part is what puts a scummy tone on the post. Exarzee is almost as town as anyone can be at this stage of the game. The only thing I did not like was: There are good town reasons for withholding a read for a few hours or until a particular person has posted, however the reason given above by Exarzee is not a good town reason. I am willing to let it slide due to some of his other posts being very town. This post by Rayn is not scummy, but I want to point it out because I do not think that anyone should be encouraged to sheep. Sheeping generally helps scum more than town. To finish, I liked the way that a lot of votes were thrown around early and I see benefit in continuing to do this, as it will provide extra information in the future. Since I think that Paperscraps is the scummiest player so far: ##vote: Paperscraps Makes a case on Paper pretty early in the game. It has some decent points. Feels like it's coming from town. On July 27 2013 17:57 hzflank wrote: That is not taking a stance. Taking a stance would be “I am going to vote for anyone who lurks”. Saying that you will vote for a lurker unless someone else is scummier and then going on to say that it is hard to get solid reads on day 1 is not taking a stance. I do not think that being afraid to say what to do with lurkers is a scum tell. I do think that attempting to mimic thread sentiment is a scum tell. This is a good post. It follows up on his scum read and clarifies his position on a few issues. On July 27 2013 19:44 hzflank wrote: I am not going to defend the points you have raised against Tofu as that is his job and not mine. I do not like the fact that you start your case on Tofu with an attack on me based on the timing of my post. If I happen to be at my computer then 7 minutes is more than enough time to read your post, read Tofu's filter, consider it and make my own short post. After my initial two reads of the thread I was aware of a post from Tofu that I thought was scummy. It was this post: I didn't like this at all. It looks like he is worried about being associated with me. Why? Only scum should be afraid of associations. Town just dismisses them as impossible because they know they are town. On July 27 2013 20:19 hzflank wrote: The association between Tofu and I. There is no good reason to clutter your case on Tofu with shit against me unless you think there may be an association. The only time I (as town) have ever talked shit about one person in a case against another person is when I thought that they were both scum. Again, he brings up this "association" by posting. Seems rather silly to be so worried about something so trivial. On July 27 2013 21:20 hzflank wrote: No. It would of changed everything if you had posted your reasons for thinking that Tofu is scum before you asked for other people's opinions. It is scummy to test the waters before you actually post a case. Me defending Tofu makes it harder for town to get a read on Tofu based on his own defence. Therefore, when writing a case the ideal scenario is for the person to defend the case themselves before other people comment too much on it. In this case that was not possible due to time zones, but by discounting my reasons for thinking Tofu is town as you gave the reasons as to why Tofu is scum you made it more likely that I would defend Tofu. That is scummy. On second thoughts, your case being less likely to attract votes is not a scum tell on you. Why did you suggest a wagon on Tofu before you actually posted the reasons for it? This post is interesting. He says he knows he shouldn't be defending me, so he's not going to. However, all of his last few posts have been soft-defenses of me mainly because Clarity soft-associated us with each other. I don't like hzflank's response to this situation at all. On July 27 2013 23:24 hzflank wrote: But which of them do you think is most likely scum? If I were scum I would love to see a town post that he would like the vote to be between a specific two people. So to me either your post was more useful to scum than to town, or you are scum. I am leaning towards the former, so please answer the question. These questions to exarezee are making me feel townish on hz again. He's asking what's important. "Why are you waffling on two people you find scummy. Why not choose one and stick with it?" Paraphrased, obviously. On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote: Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed. If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time. I really liked this post. Looks like he's proactively stating his stance on the lynch situation and why he thinks pushing multiple wagons at the same time is scummy. + Show Spoiler [Koshi] + On July 29 2013 00:17 Koshi wrote: ##vote : hzflank I will put my vote on the person that is actively posting and I find the most scummy. Reasons: 1) Disagree on Paper 2) Posting habit is equal to a previous game with hzflank. Such a good scumplayer, got killed by SK that game because he looked the most town with a lot of people left. This is a respect vote if you like. I am checking in every so many minutes for questions. A very early vote on hzflank. Pretty flimsy case, but like Malongo, it establishes his motivation for his choice around lynchtime. On July 28 2013 23:33 Koshi wrote: My current lynchpool: raynpelikoneet Malongo VayneAuthority Stutters695 I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank On July 29 2013 01:19 Koshi wrote: People Koshi wants to lynch 1. hzflank 2. Stutters 3. VA People Koshi can agree upon: 4.Malongo People Koshi won't lynch ever: 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 I am REALLY hating these lists by Koshi. They aren't helping town and it looks like he is just trying to come off as prot-own without actually contributing. On July 29 2013 08:07 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Paperscraps Does this near lynchtime because not enough people want to lynch hzflank. He says he prefers lynch to no-lynch. On July 29 2013 09:26 Koshi wrote: We could have had that if we knew that Paper was 99% town. Enough people knew paper was town in the end, we could have ignored the tunnelers, but with majority lynch, their might have been too many people disliking the no lynch. Maybe even me. Nha, removing the vote was terrible Vivax. Truly terrible. But meh, you will prove you aren't scum. I don't like this in light of Vivax flipping town. It looks like Koshi might have had known Vivax's alignment pre-death? I don't know why a scum Koshi would kill Vivax though. On July 29 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote: So hz believes 2 complete different things at the same time. 1) Koshi and Paper are scum 2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town Which is impossible. And pretty close to impossible to think as a town player. Koshi brings up a good point here. Hzflank's reads of Paper and Koshi are incompatible when paired together. However, he may have thought they were scum independently of one another. On July 30 2013 02:01 Koshi wrote: HZFLANK If you have read the pages around 59-61 you will see that that hzflank is defending a lot of the flak he is getting by saying that he was only 50% sure about Paper being scum and that he didn't have any better reads on another player, and that he felt it was his duty as town to push the wagon he believed the most in. Anybody that followed the thread yesterday knows that hzflank was pretty stuck on Paper and that a small miracle had to happen for him to change his vote. I could have been that miracle but I am not even going to discuss how strange that is after all the nullreads I got from hz this game. I would like to put your focus on how other wagons or people that didn't believe Paper was scum were treated, in the spoilers below you have exchanges with XRZ and Oats. But a lot of you had interactions with hzflank on why he was thinking Paper was the best read. Did you back then believed it was a 50% read of him? Come on... + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote: I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town. Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town. + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote: Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town. Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT. Now these 2 quotes are a few of many attempts by hzflank (and XRZ is guilty of this as well) to control the thread with their scumreads. It's funny how they even say "we should only have 1 wagon because scum wants 2 town wagons on day 1" with XRZ countering that at least 1 of FT and Paper is scum so that these are perfect wagons... (little secret: FT looks town like hell for a FT Day 1 and especially his behavior during lynch) But Koshi you should not make associations like that, right? Ok ok. Let's keep this case focused on hzflank. (just remember while you read Vivax his case) I will repeat again that this behaviour of hzflank resembles a game I recently played with him. Please take into considering that I am telling the truth here without me been able to verify that. Some of the things that you can verify is that hz is a high volume poster, he has a lot of posts and scum that is able to post a shitton is very hard to lynch, extremely hard, unless they screw up. Which hz did: Remember that hzflank is a high volume poster. He posts a lot and that is why in general it is almost impossible to lynch these guys. But what is hzflask his defense on this misstep? He says that he isn't scum because if he was scum he would not have replied to me. THIS is bullshit. Believe me. This is bullshit and you should not believe it. hzflank replied to my post (that wasn't directed at him btw but more at rayn and Vivax trying to change votes to FT) in a way that you should see as a scared scum response. This is why, and there are a few replies of hzflank that he posted in defense that make what I type here true, go look them up: (I rewrote the points I make here to make it easier to understand than before) But as scum? THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN A SCUMBRAIN!!! + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 21:00 hzflank wrote: I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you. I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town. A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie. Conclusion: Lynch, shoot and kill this guy. Burn his body afterwards. Case on hz is okay, but is based on speculation. Not really convinced about hzflank. + Show Spoiler [JAT] + See: scumslip + Show Spoiler [XRZ] + Still working on this While I'm gone, let me know what you guys think about these players. Whether you agree/disagree and why. | ||
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Your scumhunting hasn't been too extensive so far. But just like me you got 24 more hours to prove you are not worth to get lynched over me. Let's make it exciting! | ||
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hzflank is still scum for me. After his excellent posting today I cannot shake the feeling he is scum. If you would compare is posting today with that of yesterday there is also a difference. Today he is way more open with his reads on multiple people. Yesterday there was a lot more secrecy I would say. The veteran claim is a pretty good calculated risk. After the night where a lot of people asked for vig shots there was no response, even if there would be a vig there is a chance that the vig does not shoot because he doesn't feel like it is worth the shot (given how hz made that vet claim) on top of that people would probably have pointed out that the rules were different than in the op. Now the risk lied in my only in another vet coming out and claim that he was vet. But if there is only 1 kp each night the chances on a vet are low? Also with a roleblocker on scum their is a bigger chance on a doc/cop combo? All this is not just mathematical and don't proof shit. I don't know. I still think hz is scum but I can promise you I will not make this thread in a clusterfuck anymore and will not tunnel hz at all. | ||
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On July 31 2013 07:53 Koshi wrote: Everybody will probably want to know what I think about hzflank hzflank is still scum for me. After his excellent posting today I cannot shake the feeling he is scum. If you would compare is posting today with that of yesterday there is also a difference. Today he is way more open with his reads on multiple people. Yesterday there was a lot more secrecy I would say. The veteran claim is a pretty good calculated risk. After the night where a lot of people asked for vig shots there was no response, even if there would be a vig there is a chance that the vig does not shoot because he doesn't feel like it is worth the shot (given how hz made that vet claim) on top of that people would probably have pointed out that the rules were different than in the op. Now the risk lied in my only in another vet coming out and claim that he was vet. But if there is only 1 kp each night the chances on a vet are low? Also with a roleblocker on scum their is a bigger chance on a doc/cop combo? All this is not just mathematical and don't proof shit. I don't know. I still think hz is scum but I can promise you I will not make this thread in a clusterfuck anymore and will not tunnel hz at all. Why would his "excellent posting" make you think he's scum? | ||
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Come on man. At least put a bit of effort into this. If you avoid giving real reasons besides the so called scumslip would you mind explaining why exactly my mistake is only possible from a scum point of view? I really want to hear how you try to justify that. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On July 31 2013 07:59 FirmTofu wrote: Why would his "excellent posting" make you think he's scum? It doesn't, it makes me feel he is town and I am being horrible. The only problem with it is that he was not posting like this yesterday. But today his posting was pro town all the way. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 31 2013 08:02 justanothertownie wrote: Come on man. At least put a bit of effort into this. If you avoid giving real reasons besides the so called scumslip would you mind explaining why exactly my mistake is only possible from a scum point of view? I really want to hear how you try to justify that. Oh I will. I'm not done with your case yet. I deliberately didn't post my scum cases yet because I knew I wouldn't have enough time to address them fully before I left for the bus. Since everyone knows where I stand on my scum cases, I figured I'd post information I've gathered on everyone else first. | ||
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justanothertownie
16318 Posts
Whatever it's already late and there is no deadline today so I will finally get some sleep now. | ||
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justanothertownie
16318 Posts
On July 31 2013 08:05 FirmTofu wrote: Oh I will. I'm not done with your case yet. I deliberately didn't post my scum cases yet because I knew I wouldn't have enough time to address them fully before I left for the bus. Since everyone knows where I stand on my scum cases, I figured I'd post information I've gathered on everyone else first. Fair enough. | ||
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 31 2013 08:04 Koshi wrote: It doesn't, it makes me feel he is town and I am being horrible. The only problem with it is that he was not posting like this yesterday. But today his posting was pro town all the way. I don't know man. You can't say he is posting excellently and still says he's scum. He's scummy for improving his posting? What the fuck are you saying? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Stutters. You don't post a lot and the content you posted this game was not good. You started with a case on Vivax that was ballsy but on the other hand not really because Vivax wasn't posting yet, so it was a case on a lurker. After this your posting is just jumping from FT to Paper to FT to Paper while you had town reads on FT. On July 29 2013 04:13 Stutters695 wrote: Anyway, on to why I'm down with the paper lynch. His post on lynching lurkers was weird. Not committal but that's w/e. Opening d1 is really awkward for both alignments. What gets me about him is two-fold. First despite his clear protesting about not lynching lurkers and a clear understanding of a pro-town environment he lurks and provides no justification for his play that clearly doesn't match his expected play of a townie. His reads are also very loose and for the most part do nothing to actually catch scum. It's also a little weird that despite all the controversy around CJS and Firm he doesn't modify his reads from null on them but picks all of his targets from the people he hadn't previously commented on. On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote: And on that note, going to check out FT a bit closer. On July 29 2013 04:53 Stutters695 wrote: Also Tofu read page 5 and 6 of his filter. That isn't scum responses at all. On July 29 2013 06:16 Stutters695 wrote: Continuing with Rayn: Paperscraps: see my read I posted, I think he's scum, not null. Malango: no idea, as I explained. Leave him for the vigis imo. Koshi: I could easily see him being scum, especially after NWM. Mostly a meta read since he always is confusing as fuck and kinda useless. I would lynch him if Paper doesn't get traction but I'm way more confident about him. FT: I haven't looked at him too much. I'll have to get back to you on that. I had him kinda null but your post makes sense. JAT is another one I haven't really dove. He could be scum but he's not huge on my radar. He could easily be a misunderstood town. I think we'll see with more posts from him. On July 29 2013 06:18 Stutters695 wrote: We can continue this at night if you want to Rayn, that took me longer than I wanted to type up. Onto today's lynch, Paper is my choice. Because Rayn has a good track record and we think similarly, if Paper doesn't get traction I'll sheep him onto FT. I don't want a no lynch. On July 29 2013 08:42 Stutters695 wrote: ##unvote ##vote: firmtofu On July 29 2013 08:55 Stutters695 wrote: I'm like 99% sure paper is town now. Wouldn't a no lynch be better if people won't switch? On July 29 2013 08:57 Stutters695 wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Paperscraps Still open to switching if 8 people are here. On July 30 2013 05:03 Stutters695 wrote: Cool. I want to bounce some thoughts related to FT off you? What are your thoughts on him? I'm like 90% sure he's scum from some stuff he posted around/after the lynch. And then you make a case on FT at the start of page 3. It comes down on Stutters not creating too much content, don't get me wrong, it is better than the 10 pages of content I have been creating but it did make me think Stutters is the 4th scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 31 2013 08:05 FirmTofu wrote: Oh I will. I'm not done with your case yet. I deliberately didn't post my scum cases yet because I knew I wouldn't have enough time to address them fully before I left for the bus. Since everyone knows where I stand on my scum cases, I figured I'd post information I've gathered on everyone else first. Let me get this straight. You have had time to make town "cases" but not had time to make your scum cases? How is that... what... i don´t even... ASDJASJDASDAMSD rofl. just rofl. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On July 31 2013 08:25 FirmTofu wrote: I don't know man. You can't say he is posting excellently and still says he's scum. He's scummy for improving his posting? What the fuck are you saying? Yes, that's it. He improved his posting a shitton but blame it on my tunneling before, or my stubbornness, I still have the feeling hz is scum. I will not be lynching hz today (not that I have that power but w.e), nor shall I put pressure on him today. I am just putting a case here and I feel like I need to comment on hz. Telling that he is now town for me because his posting today was town would not be how I feel. | ||
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