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Eerik
Estonia117 Posts
edit: i know i'd pay at least 50 dollars to see that. | ||
Waxangel
United States33715 Posts
On October 22 2007 09:41 samsammy wrote: Yes, I am STILL doubting. I don't make decisions that fast. But I do have to say the doubting side is more like 30 (70 --> not doubting side) Anyways I posted the topic in two sites. Many people are replying, and I'm the reactions are quite serious. I'm hoping this just doesn't end as a 'post.' I have a write-able PGR21.com account, maybe I should go see what the more-righteous-than-thou crew thinks | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On October 22 2007 09:29 samsammy wrote: First, don't attack all the Korean's, or the Progamers. They are human. Some good, some bad. I'm willing to move the korean community just to show that the Korean community isn't apathetic. For internet reasons I can't post the controversy on sgael.je.ro (the biggest starcraft community site) - nor is it the appropriate time - but I have posted it on fighterforum.com and fomos.kr I truly wish to know what really happened, and if Hwasin did indeed make a deal with his teammate, I will see to it that the Korean community does not ignore it. Someone else already posted it there I think (actually saw several topics about the subject I think, although I only confirmed one, but saw at least two with hwasin and calm's names in the title). http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft&no=1285812&page=1 You are now famous yo! (scroll down) | ||
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samsammy
United States76 Posts
in Fighterforum with id 대표소동 (Korean) It started flaming up after I uploaded it in Fomos (chain reactions...) Right now it's morning according to Korean time, but the community sgael dcinside is already flaming up. I think we will get some kind of answer. | ||
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orangedude
Canada220 Posts
On October 22 2007 07:57 Asta wrote: Anyway, what I am more concerned about is that this leads directly to the assumption that they might do these things in Korean leagues too, when neccessary. I'm sure there wouldn't be any instance to stop them. If team managers or TV producers asked a player to cheat I would be surprised if he turned them down or even make it public. And under those circumstances, as a manager or producer, who wouldn't consider staging matches? Not only team internal ones. You know, this actually happened once in Korean leagues. There was this huge scandal in the Korean Warcraft 3 scene during the time it was still decently active (2005-06 I believe), with Freedom (night-elf) as the victim. Apparently in the semi-finals of the MBC pro-league, one of the map-makers (under pressure from higher-ups) rigged the matches to make Orc overpowered (slightly shorter unit build-time, slightly longer spell durations, slightly faster turn speed, and lots more minute changes that added up). This was done because Moon (also night-elf) was already qualified for the finals on the other side of the bracket and they didn't want another mirror match-up (poor TV ratings). Freedom (night-elf player) ended up losing 3-0 to the Orc (don't remember the name) in a match that was considered to be in his favor. Freedom didn't think anything about it during the time, but his buddy and best Orc player at the time (DayFly) was watching the match on the big screen and thought something was suspicious, especially how it ended up in 3-0. DayFly asked MBC for the map that was used in order to view the replay (you must have the exact copy of the map in War3 before being able to load it) and that's when he discovered all of the rigging that had taken place. If he hadn't done so, many of these subtle changes would never have been detected and gone unnoticed. Freedom's Orc opponent went on to be defeated 3-0 by Moon (on non-rigged maps), and his semi-final victory felt completely hollow to him. Freedom (top 3 player in Korea) was absolutely devastated, lost all motivation in War3 and due to this ended up switching to SC today, while still sticking with his Samsung team. MBC lost all credibility and it was basically a disaster for them and the Korean War3 scene. They tried to change the name of their league into something else (without MBC in it's name), but the damage had already been done. Start cynical rant here (not to be taken seriously): Now to put this into perspective, look at how many Terrans there are in the SC pro-leagues. Sometimes up to half or more of the players are Terran, yet we rarely ever saw any TvT finals and it wasn't due to lack of star players (Nada, Oov, Boxer, etc). I sincerely doubt any rigging has ever taken place in the SC scene, but if you think about it, it's not impossible for it to have happened. For example, if they just lowered the build time for a goon or zealot by 0.5-1 second, it would add up to a tremendous advantage to the non-terran player and yet not be easily noticed by a viewer. /End rant. http://sc.gosugamers.net/news.php?id=3558 There's a lot more details to read on this if you want to search/google for it. | ||
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
Nal_rA vs Kingdom in OSL, Nal_rA vs Zeus in OSL, Stork vs Bisu in MSL Gorush vs July in KT-KTF, Savior vs Chojja in MSL.. And I think Savior vs Silver in MSL? Oh and if we want we can count WCG too: Which adds another 2 TvTs: Boxer vs Elky, Xellos vs Midas | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
but I somehow always disagree with them and actually feel a lil bit of annoyance with him each time. The fact you are even suggesting that the pro scene could be rigged is nonsense.. merely because of (in your ignorant opinion) the lack of TvT finals? Wtf. I am all for conspiracy theories.. but they are only interesting when they actually have SOME evidence. Assertions, especially on the magnitude you are making is pure idiocy. | ||
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orangedude
Canada220 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
THE PRO SCENE DOESNT MATTER, ITS ALL A HOAX. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
are they pissed at hwasin/calm or what? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On October 22 2007 10:42 {88}iNcontroL wrote: orangedude makes really nice posts but I somehow always disagree with them and actually feel a lil bit of annoyance with him each time. he does the same thing in the mbs threads. posts that arent flat out wrong, but theyre built on bad assumptions or lack of knowledge, but theyre constructed well and he defends them to hell and back so its hard to argue with. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13537 Posts
SC has always had a healthy and strong balance so there has never been a need for any rigging of matches. As for this whole controversy, I can understand that Hwasin being sick and tired at the time just wanted to get the games over and done with and did something he shouldn't have. What they both did was wrong, but I think it's clear he just wanted to gtfo since the money was in the bag and he had nothing to play for. Sad, but true reality unfortunantely. | ||
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orangedude
Canada220 Posts
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samsammy
United States76 Posts
A few minutes ago it was going quiet because someone said you can't whisper in udp. It turns out you can and its flaming up again. A few responses. - A chinese dude started the flaming (yeah Koreans have a thing against Chinese (not all of em) because of the whole history manipulation thing going on, but lets not talk about that) - STX is fucked up. It's an international disgrace Generally it looks like the Koreans are trying to get an answer from Hwasin/Calm now. It seems to be getting pretty serious. And yes. Most of em are pissed at Hwasin/Calm. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33715 Posts
I remember that scandal, DayFly was so pissed when he learned his victories had been on maps rigged in his favor as well, I think he was threatening violence initially. | ||
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samsammy
United States76 Posts
They haven't gotten the whole facts, yet though. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On October 22 2007 10:49 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Alright.. along those lines.. Did you guys know it could be possible that we are all actually a part of the matrix? And the professional SC scene could just be a opiate esque device designed to pacify us as our body is harvested for energy? ZOMG THE PRO SCENE DOESNT MATTER, ITS ALL A HOAX. Now you are really, really twisting his words. He didn't make it out to be at all likely.. | ||
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keinjuan
Canada17 Posts
1. Konglish->English all drone 1 sunken be tigi handa hm.. I will only produce drones while building one sunken. I will just be defensive. hm.. oo kk dea choong 2sunken no ring I am gonna build 2 sunkens and no lings. I'll just be slack. 2. They belong to same team(STX) and by rules, they have to share the prize money whatsoever. 3. There is no chance that this can be proven fake in any way now. gg | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
I'm glad the Koreans are pissed off as well, I'd like to see how Hwasin and Calm try to squirm out of this one. | ||
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