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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On April 23 2012 20:39 prplhz wrote: I don't recall saying "HURR DURR" and I don't know how any of that qualifies as "speculation", but alright. its an exaggeration. Anyway, if you guys want my thoughts on VE, here it is VE is town. This is what I argue when I claim town on day 1 etc, Would scum REALLY put themselves in the spotlight like that? Im gonna look through other filters as well. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Your VisceraEyes analysis is extremely naïve. VisceraEyes has played like 30 games (at least!) and he's seen people claim town many times before, don't you think he has both the stomach and the brain to concoct and accomplish a plan as devious as claiming town when he's actually not? How do you feel about him hiding it in a spoiler then, since you're saying that he is displaying a lack of fear typical for a townie? Has Kenpachi never been scum? | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On April 23 2012 20:05 marvellosity wrote: I don't think Zentor is scum atm. Instead of looking at his scum game, look at Space Station where he was town. He managed to be at the top of numerous people's suspicious list although he was town (and performing very townie actions in PM-land). Zentor can´t be scum, because he´s a good Town player? What if he´s a bad scumplayer too? He hasn´t done that many suspicious things lately, fine, I don´t have much else to complain about, but I can´t agree with those who defend him by essentially saying "only a bad player would make a stupid mistake like that". Whatever, noone cares about Zentor. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 23 2012 21:08 Forumite wrote: Zentor can´t be scum, because he´s a good Town player? What if he´s a bad scumplayer too? He hasn´t done that many suspicious things lately, fine, I don´t have much else to complain about, but I can´t agree with those who defend him by essentially saying "only a bad player would make a stupid mistake like that". Whatever, noone cares about Zentor. No, you misunderstand me a little I think. I was saying in Space Station he played suspiciously/scummy on thread and he was town there. Similar could appply here. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On April 23 2012 20:39 prplhz wrote: I don't recall saying "HURR DURR" and I don't know how any of that qualifies as "speculation", but alright. prplhz is back! Could you please have a beer, and then tell me who is scum? | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On April 23 2012 21:10 marvellosity wrote: No, you misunderstand me a little I think. I was saying in Space Station he played suspiciously/scummy on thread and he was town there. Similar could appply here. You are right, my post wasn´t actually directed only towards you, but more to earlier defence of him. I disagree with what you are saying here though. If he is often accused of being scum because of his scummy way of playing, then him playing suspiciously here doesn´t make him Town, it just makes it harder to know if he´s Scum. It means we should look more carefully at him, not dismiss accusations because he gets accused of being scum so often. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 23 2012 21:10 marvellosity wrote: No, you misunderstand me a little I think. I was saying in Space Station he played suspiciously/scummy on thread and he was town there. Similar could appply here. Are you saying that some scenario could apply in this situation? You're absolutely right!.. But it's a lot more interesting to discuss whether or not it actually does apply in this situation. How do you feel about MrZentor self voting allegedly just to see responses (kind of admitting it is out of character) and then when I respond to it he's says it I am just asking stupid questions, even though I am just questioning some odd post (which is what townies generally do)? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Just so you know he's not always this non-committal with his reads on day1. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 23 2012 21:26 strongandbig wrote: Also: I'm kind of suspicious of ace's focus on game mechanics day1 given how pissed he was in the ss mafia postgame analysis about how that game was won using mechanics rather than analysis. I would have expected him to focus on analysis this game. I think there's a marked difference between discussing the mechanics here (blue roles, benefits of how to use) and the PM mass claim in Space Station. Two different beasts. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On April 23 2012 20:45 Bluelightz wrote: its an exaggeration. Anyway, if you guys want my thoughts on VE, here it is VE is town. This is what I argue when I claim town on day 1 etc, Would scum REALLY put themselves in the spotlight like that? Uh, my impression is that he exactly tried to avoid putting himself in the spotlight. He has 5 posts, which are a town list, 2 defensive posts about himself and zentor, a heart to rad and a post about game mechanics where he also tries to find out more about Aces possible plan(s). That's not putting yourself in the spotlight. Actually, that last post seems a bit strange, now that I read it again. He has not activily participated in this discussion about game mechanics but suddenly seems interested in knowing how Ace would deal with the situation? When I look through his posts again, this one feels out of place in comparison to the others. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 00:08 VisceraEyes wrote: @Ace: I think it looks a lot like your Hypothetical Situation 2. The only issue I have with it is that we don't know if there's a cop OR medic present, where your HS2 was assuming an open setup. Wanna walk me through how your plan works if there are no medics/cops present Ace? Also, he is one of the few people who is not openly supporting a mason claim. @Radfield: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 19:22 Radfield wrote: Marvellosity, you need to step it up. More content please. Also, if you want filters do the work and make them yourself, it takes all of 5 minutes. This is the definition of a 'safe' post. Everything in this post is a popular opinion that has already been mentioned by someone else. It hits slightly on all the major points of this game, without going into detail on any of them. Zentor -> parroting Forumite and talking like Zentor is scum, yet not stating that explicitly nor voting for him. Visceraeyes -> following Toads lead(backed by me), and again indirectly talking as if Visceraeyes is scum(or SK), without actually saying it. Ace and Radfield -> again parroting others points and slinging a bit of mud towards two strong players, without actually calling them out. So phagga, what is your actual opinion here? You seem to think both Zentor and VE are scummy, yet are doing nothing about it. Additionally, I have responded to Shrubbles, what do you think of my response? My problem is that I have a hard time making out something new, something that has not been said yet. There is not much content so far (which is partially my fault), and there is a lot of game mechanics talk that does not really show anything about the alignement of players, specially as pretty much everyone involved in the discussion agrees on the general concept. What exactly do you expect? That I'm going to make stuff up only for the sake of being original? Also, You can believe me or not, but the fact that Ace was only talking about game mechanics and not trying to scum hunt crossed my mind before he was called out for this by someone else. Alas, I was too slow, so it looks like I'm parroting. I'm still a bit undecided on who to vote on, which is way I have not voted yet. I think it is going to be VisceraEyes for now, but I want to read through Zentors filter first. On April 23 2012 18:37 Radfield wrote: 1Correct. I'm not sure what you find suspicious about that. Someone making a weak case is certainly no indication of them being scum, especially when that case is made in the first half of day 1 I didn't think Zentor's case was strong, yet I also didn't see Zentor as scum. However, both of those things may change with time. 2Something about prplhz is tickling my senses, though I haven't reread the game yet. I started to last night, but was too tired to focus. So now I'm up early with the intention of putting in some time before work. Prplhz is simply a bit too quiet for my liking at any rate. 3My reasons are my own for voting VE, though they will materialize in the thread before the day is out. The short version is that I've played scum with VE lately, and so far this reminds me of that game. 1 I agree with you that it's no issue. 2 So you just fling some mud into a vets direction without any hard facts? 3So you have a good reason to vote VE, but withhold because... well, you keep us in the dark why you are not telling us. why can't you tell us? Is the explanation going to be so long, are you waiting for more info? I don't see you as scum atm. I just thought that sbrubbles actually saw two good points (the second and the third) and I wanted to point out that I share his sentiment and that I want your reaction too. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 23 2012 21:31 prplhz wrote: Are you saying that some scenario could apply in this situation? You're absolutely right!.. But it's a lot more interesting to discuss whether or not it actually does apply in this situation. How do you feel about MrZentor self voting allegedly just to see responses (kind of admitting it is out of character) and then when I respond to it he's says it I am just asking stupid questions, even though I am just questioning some odd post (which is what townies generally do)? For now I would say it could sound somewhat scummy, but more information is required. From what I know of Zentor I reckon it more likely that he would be belligerent/odd as town than scum. This is NOT saying he has a free pass to do stupid stuff, just opinion on what he's done so far. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Bluelightz what Scum hunting have you done since you're so sure here? On April 23 2012 21:08 Forumite wrote: Zentor can´t be scum, because he´s a good Town player? What if he´s a bad scumplayer too? He hasn´t done that many suspicious things lately, fine, I don´t have much else to complain about, but I can´t agree with those who defend him by essentially saying "only a bad player would make a stupid mistake like that". Whatever, noone cares about Zentor. Maybe the people defending him are Scum. If Zentor is Town it would be an easy way to buddy up to him for later with the "look, I knew you were innocent from Day 1 when I defended you" behavior. The logic is pretty bad and if that is the staple being used then by extension I shouldn't be accused by anyone making that leap. But what we all know that makes too much sense don't we? On April 23 2012 21:26 strongandbig wrote: Also: I'm kind of suspicious of ace's focus on game mechanics day1 given how pissed he was in the ss mafia postgame analysis about how that game was won using mechanics rather than analysis. I would have expected him to focus on analysis this game. SS Mafia wasn't won using game mechanics. It was a bunch of players trying to confirm each other based on the way PMs are worded. That isn't using the game mechanics at all. If you've read any of the oh I don't know 20 or so games I've played here, or the numerous topics about advice and guides I've written I always advocate breaking the game using the mechanics. I speculate on setups in many games I play. Just because I haven't made a bunch of accusations doesn't mean I don't or won't analyze players. On April 23 2012 21:34 prplhz wrote: Hey guys this is a mini where Ace actually does something on day1 (and he actually succeeds pretty well with it, catching a scum). Just so you know he's not always this non-committal with his reads on day1. True. But the amount of content in that game and the obvious nature of the Palmar's scummy behavior that game led to me calling him out. You can also go back and find games where I've just relaxed the first few days giving no Scum reads and showing up later to get the party started. Posting 1 game out of the many I've played as some sort of proof is just ridiculously stupid don't you think? I feel like your trying to force something that isn't there. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Still I would lol so hard if wbg had to modkill ace after the /in for this game. @ace, I was wrong about your stance in ss mafia re mechanics. I lumped you and BC together as "douchy vet" and got your stances on that game confused. My bad. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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