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On April 24 2012 01:04 Radfield wrote:
I'm not going to have time to post now, and likely won't be around until an hour or two before the deadline. Don't expect much from me in the way of leading a lynch.
As far as VE goes, he still has not commented since I put my vote down. My intention was simply to apply pressure and see how he reacted, but he has not posted/reacted at all. At this point I'm willing to keep my vote there.
I don't think zentor is scum.
On April 24 2012 01:18 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 22:58 Bluelightz wrote:On April 23 2012 21:20 strongandbig wrote:
Kenpachi method? Apparently it's foolproof! ....... Its not the Kenpachi method if said person doesn't do this literally EVERY game. I believe this because VE does this very rarely. Also, heads up, USELESS! POST! Not true. I was caught by BC using the Kenpachi method in SS mafia. I'm starting to really wonder what's up with VE, it seems very out of character for it to take him this long to respond to this set of accusations, whether he's town or scum. I actually feel like we should not lynch him for lurking, but we maybe should wait and see what his explanation is. He has to post his vote sometime in the next six hours or risk a modkill anyway.
Here's a post VE did in our mafia QT in LI and we both were mafia. Context is the following: Katina does a case on me that imo was and still is bullshit. Nothin she pointed out was alignment indicating. She basicly said "Toad is posting walls of texts and is weird". I said in our Mafia QT that I don't care, noone listens to Katina and what she says.
Here's how VE responded in our mafia QT:
Like look at it this way: if "no one listens to Katina" and what she said was "utter bullshit" and "doesn't make you look scummy at all"....then why did it take THREE paragraphs for you to say that? Why go to the trouble if you're town? She's wrong and seeing your effort in scumhunting, she'll see that she's wrong if you just ignore her nonsense and look for scum. This is a townie mindset. Punching her in the face and saying "You're wrong I'm town bitch!" isn't.
Now please - just watch how you post. Whether or not Katina can argue that you're scum, she NOTICED that you're scum. If she can, Bugs can. And so can Jackal. And they can both get you lynched. This is the last time I'm going to ask you before I bus you and earn infinity town-cred. You have been warned.
That's really important because the big part has 2 major phrases in there:
1) People saying "I don't think VE would ignore what's going on for so long if he's mafia". I think I just showed that he would if he thinks there's no danger. He even told me to do that last game. Agree anyone?
2) Scumhunting. I don't see that at all.
So I really think he's mafia at this point and nothing that was presented is a towntell at all because frankly he DOES that as mafia as well.
On the signing matter, Sandrobas and my style really are pretty easy to distinguish howver if you see a post that's not signed just assume it's Sandroba because I'm trying to do that every time and will do an EBWOP if I forget to sign my post.
--- Toad
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I'm not talking about just ignoring the accusations and moving on, though; it's more like he just didn't post at all, which is the part that seems really out of character to me.
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Toad....oh hypnoToad. Toad's case (that he has asked multiple people to comment on) is based on my desire to take up a leadership role "based on my recent successes"...but what Toad isn't taking into account is my recent failures as well (prplhz in Space Station Mafia and Cyber_Cheese in SoAF come to mind). I have NO desire to lead town at this juncture, because I don't feel like my play qualifies me anymore. Not to mention, look at the playerlist bro. LOOK AT IT!!! Do you think I even COULD lead this town anywhere? Nah dude. Not happening.
You want comment - your case is abysmal Toad, and it's based on how you think I want to play mafia. You'd better think again pal...I'm not scum.
Now, scum.
VisceraEyes Lynch-List of Lurking Lethargy
Sbrubbles - Where the dicks is Sbrubbles anyway?
Ace - Ace has shown decent activity this game, but very little actual scumhunting. Concerned about his plan for D2, but doesn't seem very interested in what's going on today, D1.
Radfield - Radfield's really only here because not only was his vote for me not explained (verily, even when requested), but justifies it by my lack of response. Sounds like an excuse to park his vote and not scumhunt to me, and I don't like it.
##Vote: Ace
Unless we decide that we'd rather lynch a lurker, in which case I prefer Sbrubbles. I wouldn't mind that actually, because between the two I think I prefer Sbrubbles...but I don't think I can get a wagon rolling on a lurker at this point. Based on the fact that my scumreads are weak as hell after rereading (those who know me will notice a distinct lack of red text), I think scum are putting in way less effort than most everyone who's posting.
As an aside, if voting is done in this thread, could we trouble the hosts for periodic vote-counts?
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@VE can you tell me what you think of forumite too?
-sandroba
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I think Forumite is town - but I think his MrZentor wagon is weak as shit, because I think Zentor is town too. :S
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On April 24 2012 01:18 strongandbig wrote:When it comes to actual suspects, I'd like to point to Snarfs. He's done a few things so far that make me suspicious. First, we have + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 09:12 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 08:53 Sbrubbles wrote:
That said, I suppose it might be a good strategy to claim if the masons are two relatively new players (like myself), in that it would draw fire away from more veteran town players.
If the masons do decide to claim, though, I don't think we should waste town powers confirming them. I'd be happy with believing them and only doubt them if they start acting specially scummy or aren't dead by day 4. Cops are here to investigate scummy players, not to confirm townies. I agree with all this also. That said, I agree with the hydra in that it's time to stop talking about the masons and to start hunting scum. In this post, he says that we should be hunting scum, but in none of his later posts does he actually do any scum hunting.
My scum hunting method is my own. I like to ask people questions based on their actions when I notice something weird and gauge their responses. Me asking you and Zentor, as well as Ace and Radfield, to explain your actions is my method of scum hunting.
Looks like trying to gain town cred for getting us focused when he's actually not adding anything to the discussion. Also note that this comment at this point was not really trying to change the arc of the thread; at the point he made it we were already moving on from the masons discussion.
That comment was just me making sure to put my opinions on things in the thread so that people can have an easier time following my thought process later on.
The two posts we have from him after that are the following: + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 09:21 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 09:12 Snarfs wrote:
I agree with all this also. That said, I agree with the hydra in that it's time to stop talking about the masons and to start hunting scum. Speaking of which, I'd like to hear some from Ace, whose posts have almost entirely been about Masons at this point. Ace, what do you think of VE has a lynch candidate? If you had to pick a second candidate, who would it be? I think it would be valuable to have two candidates to consider going into the last 18 or so hours before the lynch. On April 23 2012 15:31 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 12:39 Sbrubbles wrote:
Radfield, you are the one looking the most suspicious to me right now. On the Zentor/prplhz exchange, you defend Zentor, but agree with Forumite on Zentor's case on prplhz being weak:
... These are excellent points, sbrubbles. Thank you for pointing them out, my suspicion of Radfield has also risen because of this and I look forward to his response. Again more behaving like he's moving discussion along without actually contributing. Especially with his "suspiciousness of radfield" post, this looks a lot like trying to bandwagon onto a case without actually contributing anything to said case.
I did think twice about posting that, but I figured since I was just about to head to bed and wouldn't be posting for a while that, again, I should put my thoughts down on the activity that had occurred over the 5 or 6 hours since my last post.
Finally, here's his first major post (and the only post in which he actually expresses opinions): + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 03:11 Snarfs wrote:
Couple of things to comment on in the beginning.
First of all, strongandbig's posts are big and mostly useless. Specifically, this encrypted message stuff that takes up a large portion of his posts. Anyone can hide something in their post, we don't need you padding your filter and clogging the thread with that sort of stuff. Last time you started a game like that (SS Mafia) you were scum. Are you scum this game too?
MrZentor, you're abrasiveness and dismissal of people's questions, while not necessarily (or likely) mafia behaviour doesn't really help the town. I'm sure I'm not the only person who would appreciate a more respectful player than the one who needs to call everyone "illiterate, boring, dull, stupid, or thick" just to make a point. I'd say it actually lessens the strength of your cases when you resort to ad hominem attacks.
As for the other things that have been talked about:
-Hydra should sign their posts
-Masons should claim if they feel like it will benefit town
-Town reads are not necessarily only negative (though admittedly they are not as important as scum reads) Let's look at both of the points he makes here. First, his response to my mason encryption plan is nonsensical. It's a plan that would, I admit, only help town in maybe 1% of situations, but could literally not possibly hurt the town. It died, I believe, mostly because Ace was dismissive and seems to be leading the whole "mason theory" discussion; that's not actually out of character to me, Ace seems pretty dismissive in general of plans that aren't his. However, the first few reactions to the plan are still interesting. Snarfs's seems like what I would expect from a scum reaction to a complex or convoluted townie plan; dismissal without actually engaging the details, as well as accusations being thrown around. Additionally, if you look at my post, the real filler wasn't the encrypted message stuff; it was me trying to work through the scenarios that could come out of a mason claim. I was responding to the question Ace asked, when he asked for reactions to his mason plan.
To reiterate, my point was that you were using a very large post to not do any actual scumhunting. That is where I still stand on the usefulness of that post. Maybe it's just me, but I don't believe that all the effort going into setup speculation is really worthwhile or meaning when it is just that: speculation.
Now, look at his arguments on MrZentor. Note that he calls him out for being weird and not townie without actually accusing him of being scum or anti-town. He doesn't take a position on whether or not Zentor is scum or town at all, just saying he could be anti-town.
I didn't think he was scummy or I would have said it. I said exactly what I intended to say: That his posting style was abrasive and could only hurt town. I generally give people the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of the game and then see later on if they are willing to consider my thoughts.
Then there's the little comment blurb. None of the things he says there are actually meaningful, but seem like they might be an attempt to jump in on a discussion that already happened without actually adding anything new to the topic.
Snarfs, J'Accuse!
##vote: Snarfs
I believe you want: Je t'accuse 
Now if you'll give me a little bit, I need to read through the thread again and see if I can pick up what sandroba was saying about Forumite.
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On April 24 2012 01:36 prplhz wrote:
##Vote Snarfs
I can understand s&b's vote because he's never really seen me play before outside of SS Mafia, but this one I can't quite figure out.
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On April 24 2012 01:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Toad....oh hypnoToad. Toad's case (that he has asked multiple people to comment on) is based on my desire to take up a leadership role "based on my recent successes"...but what Toad isn't taking into account is my recent failures as well (prplhz in Space Station Mafia and Cyber_Cheese in SoAF come to mind). I have NO desire to lead town at this juncture, because I don't feel like my play qualifies me anymore. Not to mention, look at the playerlist bro. LOOK AT IT!!! Do you think I even COULD lead this town anywhere? Nah dude. Not happening.
You want comment - your case is abysmal Toad, and it's based on how you think I want to play mafia. You'd better think again pal...I'm not scum.
Now, scum.
VisceraEyes Lynch-List of Lurking Lethargy
Sbrubbles - Where the dicks is Sbrubbles anyway?
Ace - Ace has shown decent activity this game, but very little actual scumhunting. Concerned about his plan for D2, but doesn't seem very interested in what's going on today, D1.
Radfield - Radfield's really only here because not only was his vote for me not explained (verily, even when requested), but justifies it by my lack of response. Sounds like an excuse to park his vote and not scumhunt to me, and I don't like it.
##Vote: Ace
Unless we decide that we'd rather lynch a lurker, in which case I prefer Sbrubbles. I wouldn't mind that actually, because between the two I think I prefer Sbrubbles...but I don't think I can get a wagon rolling on a lurker at this point. Based on the fact that my scumreads are weak as hell after rereading (those who know me will notice a distinct lack of red text), I think scum are putting in way less effort than most everyone who's posting.
As an aside, if voting is done in this thread, could we trouble the hosts for periodic vote-counts?
I'm fine with that for now. I still think you're suspicious but I don't really think you're the best option for now.
Still considering what the best course of action is right now.
--- Toad
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Could I interest you in a scummy Ace lynch or a lurky Sbrubbles lynch? I think both are good lynches today. Radfield may be too, depending on what he has to say besides "VE is scum for reasons I'm not willing to share"
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A votecount would be really nice.
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@phagga You clearly have been here for the past couple hours. Any comments besides lol and vote count plx?
@VE not really, I prefer optimal play specially day1 when evidence is flimsy. I actually would rather lynch rad then the other 2, but it's again non optimal.
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I was not on the whole time, but whatever.
Yes, I still think VE is fishy, one post with some halfbaked accusations is not gonna change that. And no, I am not up for a Radfield or Ace lynch, as I think bot VE or MrZentor are better targets. Sbrubbles lurking is disappointing, but that's rather a last resort.
I would like to hear something from MrZentor soon.
Also, I think s&b's case on Snarf is rather stretched, I don't see any of the two as scummy currently.
Bluelightz defense of VE seems strange, even for him. I know he can be superlazy, but normally he is still making sense as town somehow. Still not on the scummy side however.
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So, I skipped back and forth through the thread again and I can't get behind a Forumite lynch at this point in time. I see a player who actively helped lead discussion at the beginning of the game, then tried to lead a lynch against someone he thought was acting really scummy. This seems town to me. I do see the defense of prplhz kind of odd, but I'm not ready to lead a lynch against Forumite just based on that alone.
I think the best lynch would be a marvellosity lynch. All he's done this game is soft-defend Forumite, VE, MrZentor and Ace. That and ask for filters. My vote will stay on him unless I need to change it to consolidate for a lynch on someone else I wouldn't mind lynching.
From my point of view, it's too early to lynch into the pool of potentially amazing town players when nothing stands out as really scummy yet.
##Vote marvellosity
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On April 24 2012 02:39 SamuelLJackson wrote:
@phagga You clearly have been here for the past couple hours. Any comments besides lol and vote count plx?
@VE not really, I prefer optimal play specially day1 when evidence is flimsy. I actually would rather lynch rad then the other 2, but it's again non optimal.
But optimal play was lynching me?
Whatever mang. Here, let me entice you further.
##Unvote: Ace
##Vote: Sbrubbles
I actually feel better about this.
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Only about 3 hours to lynch and noone else here?
What do you guys think about a marvellosity lynch? strongandbig and prplhz, what makes me a better lynch than him?
Of the other players who have votes on them already, I'd probably prefer a Radfield over a Zentor, mainly based on the difference in effort between I'm a Cop You Idiot and this game. In this game, his vote on VE was apparently just a pressure vote and he's happy leaving it there as opposed to someone who he actually thinks might be mafia:
As far as VE goes, he still has not commented since I put my vote down. My intention was simply to apply pressure and see how he reacted, but he has not posted/reacted at all. At this point I'm willing to keep my vote there.
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@VE: Why sbrubbles over marvel? I see sbrubbles being aggressive in calling out prplhz and Radfield. I don't see anything of the sort from marvel.
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I can see no tangible difference between Sbrubbles and marvel and could lynch either one based on the same reasoning.
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On April 24 2012 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 02:39 SamuelLJackson wrote:
@phagga You clearly have been here for the past couple hours. Any comments besides lol and vote count plx?
@VE not really, I prefer optimal play specially day1 when evidence is flimsy. I actually would rather lynch rad then the other 2, but it's again non optimal. But optimal play was lynching me? Whatever mang. Here, let me entice you further. ##Unvote: Ace##Vote: SbrubblesI actually feel better about this.
no optimal play was getting town away from discussing masons over and over again, to finally get people talking about their reads instead. Especially make Ace and forumite stop talking about masons all the time while pressuring you to force you into caring about the game :p
I wasn't sure if I should vote forumite or VE at that time to get that and ended up voting you because I already mentioned you before and also mentioned what I thought about you. You know, more to discuss than "btw forumite looks like mafia".
That being said a Sbrubbles lynch is not going to happen imo, I don't even see why you think he is scummy other than being a lurker when I think there's other players around who are somewhat lurkish themselves (hey there marv) and actually look way different then the last game.
Why sbrubbles of all the people?
Also if I am correct the deadline is already in 3 hours. At least that's what the OP tells me.
--- Toad
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lol snarfs ninja-ing me hardcore
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