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iamperfection
United States9648 Posts
You guys realize that its protechs stream and therefore can talk about whatever the hell he want on his stream and do what he wants in it. If you dont like it dont watch. To all those saying protech should be defatured because he say a few remarks or racist stuff is hurting the 2v2 "esports" come on hes one guy. I doubt anyone would stop watching 2v2 torunament or refuse to watch a stream just because of something protech said (if anything it would probally attract viewers) | ||
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Fleebenworth
463 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:56 Darkdeath3 wrote: To all those saying protech should be defatured because he say a few remarks or racist stuff is hurting the 2v2 "esports" come on hes one guy. I doubt anyone would stop watching 2v2 torunament or refuse to watch a stream just because of something protech said (if anything it would probally attract viewers) Strawman? People are just rightfully pointing out that protech makes a lot of accusations about people maphacking,etc. without much evidence than OMG HOW COULD YOU KNOW WHAT I AM DOING EVEN THOUGH I ONLY HAVE A FEW BUILDS THAT I RECYCLE AD NAUSEUM | ||
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iamperfection
United States9648 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:03 Fleebenworth wrote: Strawman? People are just rightfully pointing out that protech makes a lot of accusations about people maphacking,etc. without much evidence than OMG HOW COULD YOU KNOW WHAT I AM DOING EVEN THOUGH I ONLY HAVE A FEW BUILDS THAT I RECYCLE AD NAUSEUM My point is why do you care | ||
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Fleebenworth
463 Posts
Why care about anything? | ||
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ProTech
United States496 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:03 Fleebenworth wrote: Strawman? People are just rightfully pointing out that protech makes a lot of accusations about people maphacking,etc. without much evidence than OMG HOW COULD YOU KNOW WHAT I AM DOING EVEN THOUGH I ONLY HAVE A FEW BUILDS THAT I RECYCLE AD NAUSEUM I would venture to say that, in most cases, people come on the stream for about say.... 15 seconds, and hear me ranting about it. Whenever I actually feel like i've been stream cheated I go into the replay and give a good explanation. And as of late, BECAUSE IM PLAYING RANDOM, it's been more and more fishy in a lot of cases. And in most cases people don't even bother to scout my base and put together correct unit comps. Again, I don't go around falsely accusing people. There have been MANY cases where I open a replay and in the first 2 mins I'll be like " Ok, this shows nothing, I was wrong. " | ||
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mangoloid
100 Posts
I hope they re-feature protech's stream eventually. He's kind of a jerk, like most people say, (but, as he's tried to prove in this thread drama, he is not a total bitch like the true BM queens of the ladder) but there are not many other high-level 2v2 players who stream as consistently as he does. I like 2v2 a lot, and protech's style is aggressive/fun, so I find myself watching it quite often. Since protech will probably read this: I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say this, but if you were to begin acting more mature/professional about your playing, you could easily gain more respect in this community and find yourself making a better living off of SC2. As a high-level 2v2 player, you are in a position to contribute a lot more to the community aside from your stream. Competitive 2v2s have been trying to gain a foothold of late, and though there have been moderate successes, it has yet to get the boost it really needs. I think there's certainly an audience. If you were to start providing analysis, replays, strategies, and/or were to help organize 2v2 tournys, you would be helping both the community and yourself. I don't know if it's really in your personality to actually put in this work and interact with people, but if you're are serious about your future playing SC, it's something to consider. | ||
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insomdapowahouz
Canada58 Posts
It's a 2v2 stream; It doesn't matter if you're the best 2v2 player in the world (which you claim to be), It's still not interesting. The games are boring, and usually revolve around 2-3 different possible 1 base all ins each player can be doing. The fact you rage/accuse people of hacking AT ALL takes away from this further. I 100% agree that you are very valid in your accusations, and you get cheated a lot seeing as 2v2 is a smaller community. (I remember sorcery from DotA, and I can vouch for what a fucking cunt that kid is) However, I don't care enough to hear about it. Turning on the stream to hear that is off-putting, to put it mildly. there's a place for you, but it's not on the front page of TL regardless, it's a shitty fucking pill to swallow, and I do feel bad for you, just not enough to sugar coat my post. | ||
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
Whenever I actually feel like i've been stream cheated I go into the replay and give a good explanation. And as of late, BECAUSE IM PLAYING RANDOM, it's been more and more fishy in a lot of cases. And in most cases people don't even bother to scout my base and put together correct unit comps. Again, I don't go around falsely accusing people. There have been MANY cases where I open a replay and in the first 2 mins I'll be like " Ok, this shows nothing, I was wrong. " Yeah, it might seem fishy, but you also have to understand that even if you're playing random, its not THAT hard to blindly counter what you're doing. Most people are going to expect some sort of cheese or early rush, and if its a "macro" game by your standards, perhaps they just had a superior composition to you. Also, for everyone saying Protech is the best 2v2 player in the world, he's most definitely not He's at times the highest rated player in the 2v2 random and arranged team scales, which is an accumulation of many points, not skill. Yes, he has the bare basic mechanics down to carry out certain early game build orders (4gate, 10p, etc) and micro units to some extent, but if you want to compare SC2 mechanics as a while, he is lacking. Just look at the ladder games he played vs SeleCT//Optikzero and how outclassed he (along with tehredbandit I think) was. | ||
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ProTech
United States496 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:59 JerKy wrote: Yeah, it might seem fishy, but you also have to understand that even if you're playing random, its not THAT hard to blindly counter what you're doing. Most people are going to expect some sort of cheese or early rush, and if its a "macro" game by your standards, perhaps they just had a superior composition to you. Also, for everyone saying Protech is the best 2v2 player in the world, he's most definitely not He's at times the highest rated player in the 2v2 random and arranged team scales, which is an accumulation of many points, not skill. Yes, he has the bare basic mechanics down to carry out certain early game build orders (4gate, 10p, etc) and micro units to some extent, but if you want to compare SC2 mechanics as a while, he is lacking. Just look at the ladder games he played vs SeleCT//Optikzero and how outclassed he (along with tehredbandit I think) was. As a ZZ team, yes. The games that I've played against them with power. we are currently up. 2v2 may not be as interesting as 1v1, but there is still a large crowd that is attracted to it. | ||
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CHOMPMannER
Canada175 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
from his chat: protech says, PLEASE REMOVE AD BLOCK. I WILL BE MAKING THIS STREAM UN WATCHABLE TO AD BLOCK USERS. | ||
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ProTech
United States496 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:01 dAPhREAk wrote: interesting note. protech complains about people not listening to his commercials (and says in his stream that he is going to force people to watch commercials), but has ad blocker put on for tl.net. kind of hypocritical? from his chat: protech says, PLEASE REMOVE AD BLOCK. I WILL BE MAKING THIS STREAM UN WATCHABLE TO AD BLOCK USERS. As i've said many tiems on my stream, I use it so that i don't get minimized during games. I never ad block anything, and you can clearly see the advertisments on TL.NET on my stream. | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
These are the kind of people that hate protech, rofl | ||
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CHOMPMannER
Canada175 Posts
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FILM
United States663 Posts
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On November 02 2011 04:08 Makica wrote: I didn't say he accuses everyone of stream cheating. I said he disparages everyone he loses to in different ways. On November 02 2011 03:07 Makica wrote: Any team he loses to he accuses of stream cheating, doing some unfair strategy, etc and goes on a tirade about how bad they are. That's you saying you didn't say x, and then you saying x just previously. =/ On November 02 2011 04:07 Azide wrote: "idra is a code s player" --> he plays at the Code S level No... "IdrA is a Code S player" means he's in Code S. "IdrA plays at Code S level" would mean what you said. On November 02 2011 05:45 ODieN wrote: ProTech making racial slurs is not great for the TL.net community and/or sponsors who come to this website and view "featured streams" as it just makes TL.net look bad as an image due to supporting ProTech by featuring him. He also abuses his commercial power by running 3-5 at a time back to back, also treys his viewers like shit if they were to say one thing ProTech doesn't agree with, constructive criticism, bm or not. he straight up bans them, no time outs or anything. He deserved to be de-featured. I bitch him out and call him out on stuff all the time, and I'm not banned. And things that happen in a stream are things that TL is not responsible for. That's why they can't do anything about stream sniping/cheating. And lol @ "abusing commercial power." Seriously? On November 02 2011 05:53 Rive wrote: No VashTS i am not upset of losing my "MOD" I am annoyed with his constant complaining. He Decides to Report Players for Trolling him, when he did the same exact thing to lower level players! Hypocritical? I think So. The Fact that every good player in the 2v2 scene thinks hes a total douche bag must mean something. My apologies for the false assumption, then. Not sure about the rest, but I doubt that. On November 02 2011 05:58 stormchaser wrote: I think this man said it best. Not to mention, I don't remember him ever getting over 100 viewers, why feature a stream that isn't generally popular? This a joke post? On November 02 2011 06:46 GoldRogers wrote: This guy is obviously trolling, calling someone who only knows how to 4 gate as toss, the best 2v2 player in the world is rediculous. All of his arranged teammates are GM's or former GM's which is the only reason he won the PTSL. Power/destructive, tehredbandit, has a higher score than him 90% of the games (carrying). This bitter immature person only knows how to all in and he does it very well, but that doesn't qualify him to be the "best" 2v2 player. There is a reason Team Wizards got picked up by fnatic and protech is teamless. When you try to troll, at least make it less obvious. Your argument is "rediculous" son. On November 02 2011 09:51 CHOMPMannER wrote: ur saying hes so mad SO mad and tell him to grow up? lolol Just goes to show the maturity level of Protechs stream fan boys You are your friends are pretty good at making generalizations. On November 02 2011 09:51 sunman1g wrote: if you watched destiny you knew that he jokes a lot. he would never say a racial slur and if he said it he would make it as a joke. protech clearly used racial slur in a serious situation and he did not mean to make a funny joke or anything. the only time I watched destiny was insanely BM and I never watched him again. I do not think someone like that should be featured if you watched protech you knew that he jokes a lot. he would never say a racial slur and if he said it he would make it as a joke. destiny clearly used racial slur in a serious situation and he did not mean to make a funny joke or anything. @Rive: Sorry about my assumption about the mod thing, btw. | ||
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2905 Posts
On November 02 2011 15:26 VashTS wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2011 04:08 Makica wrote: I didn't say he accuses everyone of stream cheating. I said he disparages everyone he loses to in different ways. On November 02 2011 03:07 Makica wrote: Any team he loses to he accuses of stream cheating, doing some unfair strategy, etc and goes on a tirade about how bad they are. That's you saying you didn't say x, and then you saying x just previously. =/ On November 02 2011 04:07 Azide wrote: "idra is a code s player" --> he plays at the Code S level No... "IdrA is a Code S player" means he's in Code S. "IdrA plays at Code S level" would mean what you said. On November 02 2011 05:45 ODieN wrote: ProTech making racial slurs is not great for the TL.net community and/or sponsors who come to this website and view "featured streams" as it just makes TL.net look bad as an image due to supporting ProTech by featuring him. He also abuses his commercial power by running 3-5 at a time back to back, also treys his viewers like shit if they were to say one thing ProTech doesn't agree with, constructive criticism, bm or not. he straight up bans them, no time outs or anything. He deserved to be de-featured. I bitch him out and call him out on stuff all the time, and I'm not banned. And things that happen in a stream are things that TL is not responsible for. That's why they can't do anything about stream sniping/cheating. And lol @ "abusing commercial power." Seriously? On November 02 2011 05:53 Rive wrote: No VashTS i am not upset of losing my "MOD" I am annoyed with his constant complaining. He Decides to Report Players for Trolling him, when he did the same exact thing to lower level players! Hypocritical? I think So. The Fact that every good player in the 2v2 scene thinks hes a total douche bag must mean something. My apologies for the false assumption, then. Not sure about the rest, but I doubt that. On November 02 2011 05:58 stormchaser wrote: I think this man said it best. Not to mention, I don't remember him ever getting over 100 viewers, why feature a stream that isn't generally popular? This a joke post? On November 02 2011 06:46 GoldRogers wrote: This guy is obviously trolling, calling someone who only knows how to 4 gate as toss, the best 2v2 player in the world is rediculous. All of his arranged teammates are GM's or former GM's which is the only reason he won the PTSL. Power/destructive, tehredbandit, has a higher score than him 90% of the games (carrying). This bitter immature person only knows how to all in and he does it very well, but that doesn't qualify him to be the "best" 2v2 player. There is a reason Team Wizards got picked up by fnatic and protech is teamless. When you try to troll, at least make it less obvious. Your argument is "rediculous" son. On November 02 2011 09:51 CHOMPMannER wrote: ur saying hes so mad SO mad and tell him to grow up? lolol Just goes to show the maturity level of Protechs stream fan boys You are your friends are pretty good at making generalizations. On November 02 2011 09:51 sunman1g wrote: if you watched destiny you knew that he jokes a lot. he would never say a racial slur and if he said it he would make it as a joke. protech clearly used racial slur in a serious situation and he did not mean to make a funny joke or anything. the only time I watched destiny was insanely BM and I never watched him again. I do not think someone like that should be featured if you watched protech you knew that he jokes a lot. he would never say a racial slur and if he said it he would make it as a joke. destiny clearly used racial slur in a serious situation and he did not mean to make a funny joke or anything. @Rive: Sorry about my assumption about the mod thing, btw. Yes, really. | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
schizophrenic | ||
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CHOMPMannER
Canada175 Posts
but i wouldnt expect you to notice that | ||
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Azide
Canada566 Posts
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