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I really hope for an exiting match between Holland vs Germany 
We need to avenge our 3:0 loss before and what better than in the group stages (and finals hopefully?) 
Ultimate joy for me tbh `
* Dream mode off *
Okay, so Germany is probably going to crush Group B and the rest will have to battle for 2nd place.
I'm not counting Denmark out because they're really solid as a team.
I can see any of the remaining 3 teams get 2nd place and at the end of the day it's going to end up on the shape of the day the players are in.
Hopefully for Holland our top players Sneijder, Affelay, Robben get into top shape with RVP, Huntelaar and VDV we could rock this Euro cup.
I'll be praying to God every single second about our defense not making too many (hopefully no) major mistakes. Our defense is just so poor it's unbelievable when you compare it to the offensive star players we have >.>
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On May 03 2012 21:04 clusen wrote:
Our defensive midfield will be key to our success considering our style, so 2 out of Schweinsteiger/Khedira/Kroos, depending on who actually plays. Schweinsteiger should be set in stone, he is our leader and when he is in shape (like before his ~6 month injury) our best player. Khedira will most likely start, but you can't dismiss Kroos as an option imo. He started quite often for our national team in 2011, he always delivered and is even a better player since then, he improved so much this season that I would not be too surprised to see Schweinsteiger and Kroos starting.
Kroos is in great form, but against teams with great offensive potential like the Netherlands or Portugal a more defensively minded player like Khedira is needed next to Schweinsteiger imo. Kroos played well against the Dutch last time, but it was in Schweinsteiger's role and with Khedira next to him.
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that group B and C...going to be tough groups >< group a is so weak..
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I just hope Netherlands plays good football this year. I don't even care if they go out, aslong as its in a blaze of glory. Thats better than reaching the finals while playing terrible and a bit dirty for most of the tournament. Previous EURO made me prouder than the world cup despite going out second round. I do not like this new play only to win attitude that is all over the place now.
Very much hope that the game against Portugal doesn't turn into the digraceful game it was last time. That shit was an affront to everything good and pure about this game. Though I must admit Boulahrouz kicking Ronaldo out brought me some guilty pleasure, even if it was a crime against humanity.
Don't know what to think about Denmark, they've done well but the Dutch side has so many great players compared to the Danes that they are the heavy favorites.
I think Germany has a great chance of taking this whole thing. Great team and beautiful play. Will be rooting for them if/when Holland goes out. Looking forward to Holland - Germany for sure. Spain ofcourse has the best team on paper, but that doesn't mean much.
In the end alot is going to depend on our star players being in good shape. If RVP, Robben and Sneijder have a good tournament they will do amazing. But that seems unlikely right now.
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On May 03 2012 20:25 aseq wrote:Yes, Bierhoff, Klinsmann, Sammer  My (Quick) Tier List : S: Spain, Germany A+: Italy, Portugal, Netherlands A: England, Croatia, Russia, France B: Denmark, Sweden, Czech Republic, Greece C: Ireland, Poland, Ukraine
I would not put Croatia so far up. We played like crap during qualifiers in weakest qualifier group and got to EU2012 only because of one good game against Turkey.
If they continue like that they are B or even C.
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I say germany wins it. in the real - bayern match, there were like 9 potential german national team starters. But then again, they do have that semifinal curse... I like spain too, but villa probably won't be the same as before injury, and even though they have so much depth at midfield, their strikers are much poorer
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I would not put Croatia so far up.
You got Modric, Perisic and Mandzukic! I believe that Croatia will win their Group and make the Semis!
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On May 03 2012 22:57 Kaesebrot wrote:You got Modric, Perisic and Mandzukic! I believe that Croatia will win their Group and make the Semis!
Bilic their manager is an important part too. I would bet on Croatia make the quarter but not so sure about the semi. Also Bilic said recently that his goal is the FINAL.
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On May 03 2012 22:59 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 22:57 Kaesebrot wrote:I would not put Croatia so far up. You got Modric, Perisic and Mandzukic! I believe that Croatia will win their Group and make the Semis! Bilic their manager is an important part too. I would bet on Croatia make the quarter but not so sure about the semi. Also Bilic said recently that his goal is the FINAL.
I don't think Croatia will make it out of the group. I have a feeling italy can edge spain with a good defensive stance in that group.
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Spain for the win 
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On May 03 2012 20:25 aseq wrote:Yes, Bierhoff, Klinsmann, Sammer My (Quick) Tier List : S: Spain, Germany A+: Italy, Portugal, Netherlands A: England, Croatia, Russia, France B: Denmark, Sweden, Czech Republic, Greece C: Ireland, Poland, Ukraine
Sorry, but I fail to see how Portugal can be A+ while France is not.
They haven't lost for over a year and their opponents werent jokes either. I rate France more dangerous than Netherlands based on defensive stability.
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On May 03 2012 23:05 Timurid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 22:59 Caphe wrote:On May 03 2012 22:57 Kaesebrot wrote:I would not put Croatia so far up. You got Modric, Perisic and Mandzukic! I believe that Croatia will win their Group and make the Semis! Bilic their manager is an important part too. I would bet on Croatia make the quarter but not so sure about the semi. Also Bilic said recently that his goal is the FINAL. I don't think Croatia will make it out of the group. France will dominate it while England may slide by to grab the 2nd spot.
That's fine and dandy, but you're mistaken. Croatia is in group C (with Spain, Ireland and Italy), while England and France are in group D (with Sweden and Ukraine).
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On May 03 2012 23:26 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 23:05 Timurid wrote:On May 03 2012 22:59 Caphe wrote:On May 03 2012 22:57 Kaesebrot wrote:I would not put Croatia so far up. You got Modric, Perisic and Mandzukic! I believe that Croatia will win their Group and make the Semis! Bilic their manager is an important part too. I would bet on Croatia make the quarter but not so sure about the semi. Also Bilic said recently that his goal is the FINAL. I don't think Croatia will make it out of the group. France will dominate it while England may slide by to grab the 2nd spot. That's fine and dandy, but you're mistaken. Croatia is in group C (with Spain, Ireland and Italy), while England and France are in group D (with Sweden and Ukraine).
i feel like a fool. Anyway, they still won't surpass italy and spain in that group. Thanks for point that out.
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On May 03 2012 22:57 Kaesebrot wrote:You got Modric, Perisic and Mandzukic! I believe that Croatia will win their Group and make the Semis!
3 players don't make a team and none of them are anywhere near players like Ronaldo, Messi or Drogba (a few years ago).
And Modric plays like crap for nation team. Last time he played well was last Euro.
And if you need to put a name forward mention Jelavic, he is killing currently in Everton. Still more then half the team are not regulars in their teams and our defending line is either old or crap.
I truly don't see Croatia coming out of the group, and neither do other people from my country. This Euro will be the least visited big competition by fans from Croatia.
This Croatia is not the same one that demolished England and Germany in 2008 and through bad luck managed to lose to Turkey.
If anyone is a betting man don't bet on Croatia, I am giving you an inside tip atm.
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Well we will see and you have obv more inside prob than others, but just from the players, croatia should be pretty good. Modric, Mandzukic, Olic, Lovin. Srna, Corluka are all international class players.
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On May 04 2012 00:00 Kenpark wrote:
Well we will see and you have obv more inside prob than others, but just from the players, croatia should be pretty good. Modric, Mandzukic, Olic, Lovin. Srna, Corluka are all international class players.
They won't beat italy nor spain.
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On May 03 2012 20:25 aseq wrote:Yes, Bierhoff, Klinsmann, Sammer My (Quick) Tier List : S: Spain, Germany A+: Italy, Portugal, Netherlands A: England, Croatia, Russia, France B: Denmark, Sweden, Czech Republic, Greece C: Ireland, Poland, Ukraine
My (also quick) Tier List:
S: Spain
A+: Netherlands, Germany, Italy
A: Croatia, Denmark, Portugal, France
B: England, Russia, Sweden, Greece, Poland
C: Ireland, Ukraine, Czech Republic
Spain is the team to beat, so I would put them a little bit ahead of the rest, but especially Netherlands, Italy or Germany will have a shot at doing so.
Portugal is a bit overrated in my opinion. They finished second in the last two qualifiers (WC and EC) behind Denmark, so it wouldn't be a total suprise if they finished last in the group after Netherland, Germany and Denmark.
I would rate Poland maybe as B, just because they have 3 strong players from Dortmund with Piszczek, Lewandowski and Blaszczykowski and they looked quite ok in the friendly vs us. Plus they have homecourt advantage.
Englands team just doesn't look scary at the moment, especially with Wilshere out and Rooney missing the first two games. I think they really need to rebuild and maybe they will be more of a factor in the coming WC.
Other than that I mostly agree with you.
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Where did all this enthusiasm for Italy come from? Oh I do hope they do ok, mostly because Pirlo is just absolute class. But have a look at their possible players - not enough variation there really, can't actually name an Italian top level winger myself - Maggio maybe.
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On May 04 2012 01:05 Surrealistic wrote:
Where did all this enthusiasm for Italy come from? Oh I do hope they do ok, mostly because Pirlo is just absolute class. But have a look at their possible players - not enough variation there really, can't actually name an Italian top level winger myself - Maggio maybe.
Meh, wingers are overrated. In 2006 they only had Camoranesi.
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A+: Netherlands, Germany, Italy
Italy HAHAHAHAHAHA! Italy and France are not even close to spain/germany or holland. lolz!
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