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Last years final ladder
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that was last year. who do you think will qualify this year?
Last years surprises were
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Will the old school players return?
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what do you think will the minimal amount of points required to get into the next TSL stage?
TSL Ladder predictions
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
Last years final ladder ^^ that was last year. who do you think will qualify this year? Last years surprises were Will the old school players return? what do you think will the minimal amount of points required to get into the next TSL stage? | ||
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Poita
13 Posts
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FaCE_1
Canada6185 Posts
Also hopping for a bit more canadien making it to next stage | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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739
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13081 Posts
For the minimum of points i think will be at least A- because will be late season and ppl with get good in dodging koreans/good players. Cheating especialy in last few days will be huge... trading points with friends and giving freewins hope iccup admins catch them like last time | ||
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
On November 18 2009 00:42 s.a.y wrote: what do you think will the minimal amount of points required to get into the next TSL stage? 8800-9000 imo, its late season and the skill level of foreigners is increased imo | ||
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OppositeSavior
9 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On November 18 2009 00:54 SkelA wrote: For the minimum of points i think will be at least A- because will be late season and ppl with get good in dodging koreans/good players. wrong :p TSL starts at the reset of the season, thats the fun part + with the 3-0 and you are done system no more foreigner vs foreigner abuse and theyll be forced to face gosu kors unless they want to start laddering the last week of TSL ladder. My prediction is, the first 2 weeks, only Idra,Ret,WhiteRa,Bratok will be able to hit A- in the TSL ladder Edit:The cutoff though, like last season will probably be low/mid B+ for top 44 | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On November 18 2009 01:35 samachking wrote: wrong :p TSL starts at the reset of the season, thats the fun part + with the 3-0 and you are done system no more foreigner vs foreigner abuse and theyll be forced to face gosu kors unless they want to start laddering the last week of TSL ladder. My prediction is, the first 2 weeks, only Idra,Ret,WhiteRa,Bratok will be able to hit A- in the TSL ladder No, the season reset happens when our ladder finishes. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On November 18 2009 01:37 Hot_Bid wrote: No, the season reset happens when our ladder finishes. oh T__T, my bad, I wouldve prefered the players being forced to play kors, that would only do them better anyways and improve their skill levels :/. But I suppose A- cutoff then if this is happening. | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On November 18 2009 00:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Legionnaire made it through the ladder though! And through the Qualifier R1! indeed, my mistake. I have a feeling that it will require 1000 more points that the previous season. i noticed that quite a few players laddering on iccup reached A- level ( ![[image loading]](http://www.crwflags.com/FOTW/misc/whr.gif) ![[image loading]](http://www.crwflags.com/FOTW/misc/wde.gif) | ||
RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
I think the skill levels of the top foreigners are closer than ever before, so especially the race for TOP16 in ladder will be amazing. | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
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kOre
Canada3642 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On November 18 2009 16:54 kOre wrote: I would say probably B/B+ rank will be required to hit the top 100. for top 16 or 32 player prediction? | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28877 Posts
prolly quite a lot of people will be a- with about 9100 points, but less than 10 will be above 9500 | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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faculty.aCe.
Germany107 Posts
On November 18 2009 01:35 samachking wrote: wrong :p TSL starts at the reset of the season, thats the fun part + with the 3-0 and you are done system no more foreigner vs foreigner abuse Wasnt the rule only applying to the last day? Before the last day you could also play 8 games against some other person? (8 is just an example) | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On November 20 2009 03:54 faculty.aCe. wrote: Wasnt the rule only applying to the last day? Before the last day you could also play 8 games against some other person? (8 is just an example) This is true. Remember you do need to abide by ICCup rules on the # of games per day against a single player. It differs for each rank: http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/sc_ladder_rules.html Playing against the same person too many times: You are not allowed to play more than: 6 games between D- and D+ 9 Games between C- and C+ 12 Games between B- and B+ A- and Olympic — No more than 1000 points gained from 1 player. That could be as little as 8 games in a row, or it could potentially be 30-40 so long as 1 player doesn't gain more than 1000 points in total. From A- and higher rank, it is hard to find players also it is hard to gain points if game was win and loss together. ex) A- vs A- winner gets 130 pts, but loser will get -140 pts. one win and loss each player it's total -10 points for the player. This rule give more oppotunity for higher rank players. Per day vs. same person(or Team). However some may think that they could play 6 games today 6 tomorrow (D ranks) and so on but nothing more wrong. Those cases will be handled separately and most of the times probably penalized since you can abuse your way into higher ranks with this method. Also cases of games played vs. same friends across bigger periods of time will be evaluated individually. So if you feel like training with friends and gaining some rank with it you should just switch to melee. Also its forbidden to play vs. people that have the same IP as you(LAN houses etc.), here number of consecutive games vs that person won't even mather. The punishment for breaking this rulle is points penalty, clearstats or ban depending on how many games were played. We will be looking very closely at game lists for everyone, and we will be reviewing all replays of any sort of suspicious game patterns. If you're consistently going 9-3 or 10-2 at B rank against the same player every day -- well that's obviously something we'll be reviewing very closely. Basically, if you're trying to qualify, play different people as often as you can. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
  BRAT_OK model, we'll say. I'm also a sucker for geographic divisersity, does anyone know if some of the more far flung participants;   Temujin,  Legionnaire, and   Reason, for example, are going to ladder, and are good enough to qualify?But overall, the ladder is going to look like this, imo: 1.  IdrA2.  RetWith the usual suspects filling out the top 16. I think Chill gets...uh... 55th. EDIT: Here's part of an answer to at least one question... http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/3d.temujin.html - 45 games, all played in the last week, and 39-6 :: B- EDIT #2: Gogo, Legionnaire! | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
I think Eriador will make a good run, a little birdy told me hes in good form lately. A suprise number 1 on the ladder will be...  XiaOzI . Well maybe not number 1, but he Always finished near the top, and whats the fun in Just picking IdrA or Ret. Players like  Mondragon, and  Dreiven will come out of their inactivity and will qualify for this tourney.The cut off will be 9100, a few low A- players won't make it. Chill and Kwark barely make the top 100. Heres hoping that the less known American players from Team EG (go Inka!) as well IdrA, NonY, and Artosis make good runs. The best storyline will be casting IdrA as the villian of this tourney and watching him explode when he gets cheesed out. Also, it could set up and epic finals with Ra or Ret. (Personally I am a fan and hope he wins).Can't think of anything else atm, should be a great tourney. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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KwarK
United States44256 Posts
On November 20 2009 14:42 Nick_54 wrote: Bold Predictions I think Eriador will make a good run, a little birdy told me hes in good form lately. A suprise number 1 on the ladder will be... XiaOzI . Well maybe not number 1, but he Always finished near the top, and whats the fun in Just picking IdrA or Ret. Players like Mondragon, and Dreiven will come out of their inactivity and will qualify for this tourney.The cut off will be 9100, a few low A- players won't make it. Chill and Kwark barely make the top 100. Heres hoping that the less known American players from Team EG (go Inka!) as well IdrA, NonY, and Artosis make good runs. The best storyline will be casting IdrA as the villian of this tourney and watching him explode when he gets cheesed out. Also, it could set up and epic finals with Ra or Ret. (Personally I am a fan and hope he wins).Can't think of anything else atm, should be a great tourney. I was in the top 100 last time and am in better shape now than I was then. I think kolll will win the ladder because he simply has more time for laddering than most people with jobs etc. He may not be the best but he has the best skill+commitment of everyone (Idra has to icc in his spare time as far as I know). Midian will make the top 48 pretty easily. The rest of the top 48 will be the usual crowd of known players with a surprisingly high proportion of Scandinavians. I'm expecting to clock in about 70 if I play. | ||
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nc[retaliator]
Romania130 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On November 20 2009 20:37 nc[retaliator] wrote: so nony will become active in this tsl ladder? or its jst a roumour? cos i miss him thats why I think he said he'll be on a smurf. | ||
NonY
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Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
*waves pom poms furiously* | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
On November 21 2009 01:16 Legionnaire wrote: Legionnaire for #48! gggGGGOOOOO LEGIONNAIRE! *waves pom poms furiously*  | ||
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
On November 21 2009 01:16 Legionnaire wrote: Legionnaire for #48! gggGGGOOOOO LEGIONNAIRE! *waves pom poms furiously* gettttt emmmm! :D | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
We'll see should be fun, can't wait for this shiz to get started!  | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
GO LEGIONNAIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Nyoken will be in the middle. Machine will barely make it/won't (as is usual with him and ladder qualifiers) Lzgamer will be in the mid to lower part Louder won't qualify (he hasn't been playing/I haven't spoken to him. For all I know he will be mad motivated and be in there np.. I just am predicting here folks) I will be in the middle. That does it for EG. I cannot wait to see what ends up happening though.. with this kind of cash expect AMAZING drama, cheating, abuse and scoundreling. The end of this ladder will be more intense than anything I have seen to date I think. | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
On November 21 2009 01:16 Legionnaire wrote: Legionnaire for #48! gggGGGOOOOO LEGIONNAIRE! *waves pom poms furiously* YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH LEGIONNAIRE!!!! | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
Really excited to see who all comes back for this though in terms of foreigners who don't seem to play much anymore, at least not that I know of.There are tons of sure bets though imo like White-rA, Fenix, IdrA, Ret, Mondragon, Dimaga, Brat_OK, Xiaozi, and lots more I can't think of now (assuming they play of course, which I think they all will.) | ||
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Get.Midikem
Sweden312 Posts
It will be awesome to follow this. WIll play some also just to give my support to the tour. Dont have any goal but, will play some atleast! =) | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
Assem doing in Pandemic? The more old school players that make a run the better! | ||
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
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chiam_ace
Malaysia111 Posts
On November 21 2009 12:30 jeddus wrote: Do we know is sen is playing in this? Yes | ||
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jiabung
United States720 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On November 18 2009 01:35 samachking wrote: wrong :p TSL starts at the reset of the season, thats the fun part + with the 3-0 and you are done system no more foreigner vs foreigner abuse and theyll be forced to face gosu kors unless they want to start laddering the last week of TSL ladder. My prediction is, the first 2 weeks, only Idra,Ret,WhiteRa,Bratok will be able to hit A- in the TSL ladder Edit:The cutoff though, like last season will probably be low/mid B+ for top 44 Way to sound so confident in something completely wrong. iCCup and TL.net have a deal that the ladder will continue until the tourney is over, then it will end. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On November 22 2009 02:02 jiabung wrote: kawaiirice is going to get top 10. Highly doubt it | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On November 21 2009 11:31 p4NDemik wrote: Hows Assem doing in Pandemic? The more old school players that make a run the better!i haven't seen him in the ladder. maybe he will go for it in the end? | ||
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BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
On November 22 2009 06:05 tonight wrote: Good lord KwarK, 55-10? Keep grinding away. Yeah, some people are really beasting it up already. MaNa is at like 47-2 right now, my god. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
As crazy as it sounds. We will see how all will go but i doubt it very very much that a high B+ is the cut for top 48.. we will see, though.. and as always at around B,B+,A- things get complicated and less and less games will be played so.. we will see.. ^^ | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Reason is on the ladder now. I'd like to see Ptak qualify too, know nothing about him. My wish for geographic diversity is coming through. Just need Temujin now. | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On November 23 2009 03:58 tree.hugger wrote: Ah, Reason is on the ladder now. I'd like to see Ptak qualify too, know nothing about him. My wish for geographic diversity is coming through. Just need Temujin now. Ptak is an old school zerg player, he won every croatian WCG championship, played for a lot of clans, reached A- last season on iccup. In the wcg finals, never passed the group stage. he's has great ZvT play, a bit cheesy Ret would say :D | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
SEn, ret, IdrA, Dimaga, White-Ra, Kolll, Haypro, Fenix, Castro, DinOt, Advokate, Gosia, Nony. 16 others for top 32: Mondragon, aCe, SarenS, G5, MaNa, gosi[terran], XiaOzi, Yayba, Infernal, Strelok, Dreiven(if he plays), ClouD, Marwin, fraer, Naugrim, and Moonshine. 16 more for top 48: HoRRoR, Tarson, Morrow, Arew, hannigan, Closer, kogeT, MistrZZZ, Westside, Handy, Kr, Midian, Nyoken, Squall, LZGameR, and Incontrol. There are alot of good foreigners right below the top 10, and ofc anything can happen. Alot of it really comes down to who invests enough time to place high in the ladder to get good seeds in the qualifiers. Also there will most certainly emerge some new faces as well. There are a good share of names in the top 50 on the ladder right now, that I dont know. Going to be interesting, and Im looking forward to following the playoffs | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Liquid`Crystal
Canada398 Posts
just kidding | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
On November 23 2009 14:04 Guybrush wrote: Here are the players I expect to see in top 16(-jf, draco, brat_OK): SEn, ret, IdrA, Dimaga, White-Ra, Kolll, Haypro, Fenix, Castro, DinOt, Advokate, Gosia, Nony. 16 others for top 32: Mondragon, aCe, SarenS, G5, MaNa, gosi[terran], XiaOzi, Yayba, Infernal, Strelok, Dreiven(if he plays), ClouD, Marwin, fraer, Naugrim, and Moonshine. 16 more for top 48: HoRRoR, Tarson, Morrow, Arew, hannigan, Closer, kogeT, MistrZZZ, Westside, Handy, Kr, Midian, Nyoken, Squall, LZGameR, and Incontrol. There are alot of good foreigners right below the top 10, and ofc anything can happen. Alot of it really comes down to who invests enough time to place high in the ladder to get good seeds in the qualifiers. Also there will most certainly emerge some new faces as well. There are a good share of names in the top 50 on the ladder right now, that I dont know. Going to be interesting, and Im looking forward to following the playoffs Before DQs, and point withdrawals I have 2 players in top 16 missing(Dinot didnt play). 5(Moonshine rage-reseted T_T) in top 32. 8(Midian didnt play) in top 48. By 44 players picked for top 48, 29 of them are right(ignore Nony being there please). After DQs, so far 4 players in top 16 missing(Advokate, Dimaga out as well) 6 players in top 32(Sarens out as well) 6 players(G5, and Closer are now in with the removal of the DQed players) I forgot adding 4 more players in my predictions since Nony, JF, Draco, and Brat are not playing the ladder. As F91, Yosh, ALF(TSL1), and Assem rose ranks I predicted them to qualify alongside my other favorites. Ultimately neither of these 4 players qualified as the first two mentioned were DQed, ALF rage-reseted, and Assem stopped playing before entering the upper ranks. As for the ladder performances who surprised you the most ? Who dissappointed you the most apart from the players abusing ? For me the biggest surprise is Sziky. I had no idea who he was before the TSL started, but apparently hes a very good player. Even ret complimented him alot. Other underdogs Im interested to see more from are: Casper, Yan, Killer, Kenzy, Fluffy, Kawaiirice, Mikoel, Gamtja, Juanjo_o, Gosudark, and Sham. Nice with some new faces. My biggest disappointment was players like Gosia(offracing wtf), Ace, Assem, Raven, Hannigan, Westside, Kaaz, Trek etc for not trying harder. Great tournament thus far. Cant wait for the playoffs | ||
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Blue
Norway359 Posts
will be interestin to see how they do | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On November 21 2009 11:31 p4NDemik wrote: Hows Assem doing in Pandemic? The more old school players that make a run the better!he's doing nicely... he didn't have time for TSL though because of Finals T___T | ||
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