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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
January 08 2013 20:22 GMT
#32921
Oh my god Kwark might secretly be neversummer and trying to make himself win :O
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
January 08 2013 20:24 GMT
#32922
Haha, thank goodness I voted for neversummer in the first place, those gems certainly seal the deal........for this round!
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
January 08 2013 20:28 GMT
#32923
and yes the bracket was made in mspaint
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 20:32:58
January 08 2013 20:32 GMT
#32924
My prediction:
neversummer > Kliedxl
affinity_12 > HanClan

jdseemoreglass > neversummer (will be close)
Failsafe > HanClan

jdseemoreglass > Failsafe
I'll be surprised to see anything else.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
January 08 2013 20:32 GMT
#32925
I think a special mention should go to our new mod:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373098#2
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
January 08 2013 20:33 GMT
#32926
On January 09 2013 05:32 The_Templar wrote:
affinity_12 > HanClan
Failsafe > HanClan

That would certainly be some trick by HanClan.
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
January 08 2013 20:35 GMT
#32927
On January 09 2013 05:32 The_Templar wrote:
My prediction:
neversummer > Kliedxl
affinity_12 > HanClan

jdseemoreglass > neversummer (will be close)
Failsafe > HanClan

jdseemoreglass > Failsafe
I'll be surprised to see anything else.


I dunno failsafe has this I think. JD is riding on a crest of recent memory imo.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
January 08 2013 20:37 GMT
#32928
On January 09 2013 05:02 corumjhaelen wrote:
neversummer vs Kliedxl is so tough. On the one hand, neversummer crusade was insane. On the other hand, that whining post was epicly good, and in a bw thread. Tough it is.

I still have neversummer's thread about Kwark in my subscribe list. It was amazing. There have been more than one thread complaining about Kwark's moderation but that one by neversummer was off-the-charts.

Also, that thread is where I have seen Myles before. He/she did an admirable job; patient, thoughtful, understanding. You have my respect

I thought that neversummer or affinity would be favourite. jd was a good ban, but it wasn't the madness of neversummer, and it didn't get such an awesome post in the ABL as affinity. That ETT ban reason is brilliant.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
January 08 2013 20:38 GMT
#32929
KwarK so far that conversation isn't looking very good for you in my opinion...
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
January 08 2013 20:45 GMT
#32930
The first match up is so hard but i have to go with neversummer. kliedxl's ban was awesome mostly because of ETT's reason whereas neversummer just went above and beyond with his crusade. Like JD's paranoia that the mods were out to get him, neversummer's paranoia was that Kwark was a terrible mod.

The second matchup is easily affinty_12. That kind of obsession is crazy.

Also the mods who banned each user are as follows:
Failsafe was just banned by GMarshal.

Kliedxl was just banned by EvilTeletubby.

affinity_12 was just temp banned for 30 days by EvilTeletubby.

HanClan was just temp banned for 1 week by Waxangel.

neversummer was just banned by ToKoreaWithLove.

jdseemoreglass was just banned by Plexa.


I do not know if affinity_12 or HanClan were permed (I assume they are)
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44195 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 20:51:23
January 08 2013 20:46 GMT
#32931
On January 09 2013 05:38 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
KwarK so far that conversation isn't looking very good for you in my opinion...


He asked where he could complain about me and I told him. He told me I was obliged to argue the toss over whether his clearly homophobic post was banworthy, I told him I was not. He insisted that I prove, to his satisfaction, that he was being homophobic and, seeing that he didn't seem to understand, I told him that I did not accept his case. The unshaking belief that I am answerable to him and must justify my decision to him for it to be acceptable is amazing, following it with "you've fucked with the wrong person" too is hilarious imo. I read his case and disagreed with it, if he wishes to complain about either my judgement or the grounds on which I use that judgement, it's always website feedback.


The beauty of neversummer was his incredible self belief. I don't know what he does in the real world but it seemed incomprehensible to him that first myself and then the staff of team liquid didn't immediately feel they were answerable to his subjective judgements. He just didn't get that someone other than him could arrive to a conclusion and simply not give a shit how legitimate he personally felt that conclusion was. Sure, everyone thinks they're right in any argument, but not everyone will fight the power in the genuine belief that the power needs to win them personally over before it can exist. He was so wonderfully baffled by the entire issue. But more on that if you keep voting for him.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
January 08 2013 20:50 GMT
#32932
On January 09 2013 05:46 KwarK wrote:
He asked where he could complain about me and I told him. He told me I was obliged to argue the toss over whether his clearly homophobic post was banworthy, I told him I was not. He insisted that I prove, to his satisfaction, that he was being homophobic and, seeing that he didn't seem to understand, I told him that I did not accept his case. The unshaking belief that I am answerable to him and must justify my decision to him for it to be acceptable is amazing, following it with "you've fucked with the wrong person" too is hilarious imo. I read his case and disagreed with it, if he wishes to complain about either my judgement or the grounds on which I use that judgement, it's always website feedback.


I'm just saying, you're already getting quite a bit of flak for this kind of stuff.

I have to wonder how far he goes in this conversation though. Because in the end, he no longer has the ability to justify his statements and behaviour in the website feedback since he's permed.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Mandini
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1717 Posts
January 08 2013 20:54 GMT
#32933
My favorite part about neversummer was his conviction that he was winning the argument in website feedback. He got banned for country bashing a French guy in that thread though, so it was a bit anticlimactic.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 08 2013 20:55 GMT
#32934
This is utterly unfair. We demand to see PMs from the other nominees to the mods immediately to rectify the situation!
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44195 Posts
January 08 2013 21:02 GMT
#32935
Assuming I don't get in trouble for releasing anonymised PMs from other people I have more than enough material to bribe a neversummer victory here.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
January 08 2013 21:03 GMT
#32936
On January 09 2013 05:46 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 05:38 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
KwarK so far that conversation isn't looking very good for you in my opinion...


He asked where he could complain about me and I told him. He told me I was obliged to argue the toss over whether his clearly homophobic post was banworthy, I told him I was not. He insisted that I prove, to his satisfaction, that he was being homophobic and, seeing that he didn't seem to understand, I told him that I did not accept his case. The unshaking belief that I am answerable to him and must justify my decision to him for it to be acceptable is amazing, following it with "you've fucked with the wrong person" too is hilarious imo. I read his case and disagreed with it, if he wishes to complain about either my judgement or the grounds on which I use that judgement, it's always website feedback.


The beauty of neversummer was his incredible self belief. I don't know what he does in the real world but it seemed incomprehensible to him that first myself and then the staff of team liquid didn't immediately feel they were answerable to his subjective judgements. He just didn't get that someone other than him could arrive to a conclusion and simply not give a shit how legitimate he personally felt that conclusion was. Sure, everyone thinks they're right in any argument, but not everyone will fight the power in the genuine belief that the power needs to win them personally over before it can exist. He was so wonderfully baffled by the entire issue. But more on that if you keep voting for him.

Seems like a politician, but he'll be a contender in the finals imo.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 08 2013 21:04 GMT
#32937
I can imagine. We could call it "the KwarK advantage".
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
January 08 2013 21:07 GMT
#32938
I'm gonna go with Kliedxl. He got one of my favorite ban reasons (kudos to ETT) for balance whine that looked like it was out of an SC2 thread, but in a BW one.

Even his unmoderated posts are nearly completely incomprehensible. I don't think he stopped to read his own posts.

On May 10 2012 10:17 Kliedxl wrote:
I would like to say tahnk to eg to offer good oppourtiny to foreigner player as they are a foreigner team.I think too much team just fill up their roster with Korean player just to get a little boost.It just too easy to me.


He hates content contribution to the community from Blizzard, something nearly everyone else welcomes, even if they disagree with what blizzard is saying, we can agree the dialog is important right?
On May 07 2012 07:01 Kliedxl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 10:14 Encrypto wrote:
He just posted a new article on Battle.net.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5202424/Talking_Balance_with_David_Kim-4_26_2012#blog

Based on our internal data, tournament results, as well as the feedback we receive from pro-players and the community at large we believe that the balance between the StarCraft II races is in a good place. Still, we’re going to keep a close eye on things to make sure that gameplay remains fun and balanced even as we prepare for the exciting changes that will come with Heart of the Swarm and beyond. In today’s report, we’re going to look at some recent shifts that might merit further investigation, where we are in terms of balance over all, as well as how things look in the pro scene.

We’re currently looking into a couple of potential issues. Zerg has recently shifted from making a very strong showing in tournaments, to having slightly weaker representation only at the highest levels of professional play. We’re also continuing to see a slight advantage for terran in terms of opening flexibility and scouting denial. In response, we’re considering offering zerg better scouting options in the early game.

I think that it’s worth pointing out that these are actually relatively minor concerns in the face of the statistics we’re seeing. Assuming nothing drastic changes in the meta game that would shift the win rates further out of balance, there’s a strong likelihood that it won’t be necessary to make balance changes until Heart of the Swarm arrives. Still, if a significant issue arises that is beyond the reach of metagame changes to resolve, then we will react as quickly as possible to make the adjustments necessary to restore balance.



Adjusted ratings

Here’s the latest global adjusted ratings data:

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Please note that the way we do this calculation factors out player skill. These numbers are also constantly in flux. For the purposes of interpreting this chart, a 45-55% win rate suggests that there is no sign of imbalance. Also, because these numbers change from week to week and day to day, it’s not uncommon for a race that shows a 54% win rate this week to show 46% next week. Overall, we have been seeing win rates in the 45-55% range in every matchup and in every region for a while now.

We do have a new method of calculating player skill more precisely. The different races tend to be slightly stronger or weaker at different league levels , and since most players only ever play one race all the time, racial strength was an influence on their hidden rating. For example, if terran is slightly weaker at the gold level, the player would have a lower hidden rating than if he were to play a different race at that level. When using this method of calculation, we are seeing good balance at the highest levels of the ladder - race balance is good enough at those levels to have a negligible influence on player performance.

We’re checking all of these numbers on a frequent basis in order to react quickly if something big happens.



Tournaments

My earlier comments about zerg notwithstanding, overall, we are seeing good win ratios and stats from tournaments.

One interesting thing to note is that there still is a skill gap even at the pro level. This is what we’re seeing:

Protoss has good representation in terms of the number of protoss tournament qualifiers at the general professional level, but has the lowest representation at the very highest professional level.
Zerg has the lowest representation at the general pro level, but has been showing the best standings at the highest tournament levels until very recently.
Terran has good representation over all.
We are concerned that protoss players seem to be having a slower start compared to zerg or terran players. For quite some time after StarCraft II was released, especially at the highest levels of professional play, protoss players were primarily only focusing on 1 base or 2 base warp gate all-ins. It was only after we toned down these builds that protoss players really started exploring their various tech options in the same way that the other two races have been doing for a long time.

Terran representation remains strong even after recent nerfs. We think that the adjustments we’ve made over time have kept pace well with meta game shifts, and that overall terran is in a good place.

Again, we’re closely watching every major tournament, and working with various tournament organizations around the world in order to keep close tabs on both specific games and overall tournament data.



Maps

In our current map pool, we’re seeing that not every map we’ve added to our pool is balanced for every matchup. For example, our data shows a 70% PvT win ratio on Cloud Kingdom, a 62% win ratio in PvZ on Korhal Compound, and a 37% win ratio on Metalopolis for TvZ. It’s worth noting that these represent the heaviest imbalances in the maps on our ladder, but that this also isn’t necessarily a problem.

Our current stance on this is we believe slight imbalances in maps actually make the game more interesting, as long as the imbalances aren’t too great. Various new meta games and strategies develop depending on the map, and it’s interesting to see the game play out in different ways as players exploit their own strengths and weaknesses from map to map. We believe a lot of the fun comes from this as well. On top of that, we have our veto system on the ladder and tournaments have their own player map veto systems that also deal with this issue.

That said, if a map pushes the limit too much and a matchup becomes significantly imbalanced, we will definitely take steps to adjust the map pool accordingly.



Community Feedback

The pro player and caster feedback regarding which races are overpowered or underpowered is very evenly distributed among the three races, which is a very good sign.

The feedback from you all in the player community has been very interesting too. A lot of the feedback we used to see on the forums was often related to perceived imbalances in units or strategies at the pro level. These days, it seems that we’re seeing more conversations that focus on what’s happening at the league level directly - which we think could be related to a more visibly balanced pro scene. That’s good for us because, while we like seeing very solid results at the pro level, we are also always working towards a balanced experience across all skill levels. We will continue to pay close attention to both high level players and discussions within the community in order to continue pursuing this goal.

At this moment, it feels like we’re in a good spot when we look at the current state of the game from various angles. However, we are always on the look-out for new issues that could arise, checking our data, and gathering new feedback on a regular basis, and we’ll make adjustments to the game as needed.
Thank you for your continued support and valuable feedback!


I feel sad for David Kim it noit good for him to speak with himself...


But he tells others to stop posting shit!

If you have no judgement stop posting shit !!


Vote for the underdog, vote for Kliedxl. He's the LR balance whiner, taken to the maximum possible extreme.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
January 08 2013 21:16 GMT
#32939
I'm voting for neversummer. The guy put serious effort into his trolling.
Что?
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
January 08 2013 21:23 GMT
#32940
I'm gonna go with Kliedxl. He got one of my favorite ban reasons (kudos to ETT) for balance whine that looked like it was out of an SC2 thread, but in a BW one.


This to me is probably my favorite actual ban reason, not response to the ban itself though.
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