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On October 07 2010 05:09 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 18:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:the funny thing is if you are just a random poster that gets banned from TL it's no big deal... relog on new ID ezpz. But as a public figure with a stream and followers etc... once you've gone to war with all of TL you are pretty much on a very..very.. very small island as far as the community goes. BigT was in the end a complete retard  Nice tourney but his commentating was bad and he didn't work at it ... instead he pointed the finger and asked for money. Don't they monitor IP? I mean, when banned, it specifically states "don't try to log on with a different account", so I assume it would just auto-ban that one as well? =/
To my knowledge, how it works is like this:
If you're temp banned, you have to wait out the duration of your ban. No new accounts are allowed.
If you're permabanned, you can make a new account and I think the mods will give you a second chance. As long as you're relatively unknown, that is.
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Wow 46 bans in between visiting yesterday and today  . That must be close to a record. And so many good ones too. Made my morning.
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LOL Macronesia was banned by Micronesia.
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On October 07 2010 08:45 Subversive wrote:Wow 46 bans in between visiting yesterday and today . That must be close to a record. And so many good ones too. Made my morning.
Yeah I think Naz went crazy at all the people being dumb in the NTT thread and asking who he was...
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A day after BigT gets banned, there's a new PBU named tall_V_. Coincidence or what?
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On October 07 2010 08:07 meeple wrote:Ahaha just realized that Macronesia's only post implies he's micronesia's dad? Show nested quote +On December 16 2009 08:12 Macronesia wrote:hi kiddo, sorry me and mom couldn't give you a ride to the station we didn't know it was going to be so cold and that this was so important to you. It's cute you like this girl! tell me more about her when we see you next. love dad User was banned for this post.
loooooooool that post is amazing
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awww come on, macronesia's post was hilarious, what's with the ban? 
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I'm surprised BigT got as far as he did without being banned or at the very least unfeatured. He maintains a somewhat mature attitude in his posts but I can barely listen to his stream for 5 minutes without wanting to rage PM a mod to ban him...
when Idra stepped in with
if esports is gonna get big its not gonna be because of people like bigt
the argument was pretty much over imo. damn you idra for always being right!!! *rage*
I sincerely hope we have a Chill vs. BigT showmatch to conclude his legacy on teamliquid. My bear semen is all ready and good to go! 
and since this is my first post on this thread. I want to thank the admins/mods for being awesome (no suck-up intended). The hidden gem that is the automated ban list is one of the few things left on the internet (yes the whole internet) that gives us hope in its community.
 +1 for liquid!
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BigT not even big enough to deserve to be embarrassed on a showmatch with Chill
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On October 07 2010 01:45 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +rozina was just temp banned for 2 days by Hot_Bid. That account was created on 2010-09-10 20:11:22 and had 19 posts. Reason: On October 07 2010 01:34 rozina wrote:
I taught this is a strategy game, not a who has better mechanics game. MBS and the rest of AI should be there in BW, its just that no one taught of it before. NTT crying about MBS and stuff is just pissed that ppl who couldnt do that in BW can now win him since they are better at strategy part of the game and have better decision making.
Ofc BW was harder, but that is not a good thing! Thats the reason it is not played anymore. Except for Korea. This opinion is just so wrong and I typed a response like 3 times only to delete because there's just no way to respond to this other than a 2-day. Oh god hahaha, this one made me laugh so hard. Just his spelling and train of thought plus Hot_Bid's inability to respond back to his incoherent post is just rofl-inducing.
I find that ban very saddening, I am putting together quotes and pictures about the shitty attitude towards SCII, because I wanted to make my first well written thread about this.
it seems there is no point, as the dark age thinking has befallen the admins as well.
just keep in mind, that chess is regarded as one of the best strategy games, because when you use a piece on the board to attack, it executes it, not like a dragoon, who only will do so if you combine a loot of useless clicks.
thats why in my opinion SCII is more of a strategy game, and Broodwar, where the person who faster clicks and pushes more buttons has the advantage,is closer to counterstrike, sad but true.
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On October 07 2010 12:13 Ojahh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 01:45 chaoser wrote:rozina was just temp banned for 2 days by Hot_Bid. That account was created on 2010-09-10 20:11:22 and had 19 posts. Reason: On October 07 2010 01:34 rozina wrote:
I taught this is a strategy game, not a who has better mechanics game. MBS and the rest of AI should be there in BW, its just that no one taught of it before. NTT crying about MBS and stuff is just pissed that ppl who couldnt do that in BW can now win him since they are better at strategy part of the game and have better decision making.
Ofc BW was harder, but that is not a good thing! Thats the reason it is not played anymore. Except for Korea. This opinion is just so wrong and I typed a response like 3 times only to delete because there's just no way to respond to this other than a 2-day. Oh god hahaha, this one made me laugh so hard. Just his spelling and train of thought plus Hot_Bid's inability to respond back to his incoherent post is just rofl-inducing. I find that ban very saddening, I am putting together quotes and pictures about the shitty attitude towards SCII, because I wanted to make my first well written thread about this. it seems there is no point, as the dark age thinking has befallen the admins as well. just keep in mind, that chess is regarded as one of the best strategy games, because when you use a piece on the board to attack, it executes it, not like a dragoon, who only will do so if you combine a loot of useless clicks. thats why in my opinion SCII is more of a strategy game, and Broodwar, where the person who faster clicks and pushes more buttons has the advantage,is closer to counterstrike, sad but true.
No sorry completely wrong...
So many length, analytical posts have been written on this issue that posts like yours are just annoying.
Here on some key points on why a mechanically challenging game is required in real time strategy i've made in the past.
...very few pure strategy games exist because pure strategy is really not as pure as you would think. Without mechanics the metagame developers at an absurd rate. The end result is that the metagame just self-terminates because the game is "imbalanced", or the other end result is Chess, a game of thousands of complex calculations. Creativity does exist in chess, but if you think Idra lacks creativity then you probably wouldn't appreciate the kind of "Creativity" found in high level chess.
The kind of Strategy you talk about is intuition. Games like Starcraft and Poker are driven by Intuition. Intuition is something almost every single one of us here is very good at. Sampling bias, so to speak. Intuition however, is only applicable, in an underdeveloped metagame before structures are allowed to form. The only kind of games this can occur is in games limited by mechanics (SC1 and to a lesser extent SC2), or games nobody fucking gives a shit about and plays (Halo Wars).
intuitive strategic choices can only exist because of mechanics. Only when the game cannot be turned into a structure and you have a split second to preform calculations will you be making intuitive strategic choices.
Nobody takes "chances" in chess. Chess is a game of logic, taken to the extreme. It is something that requires a lot of talent and intelligence, and the average person, who can probably train themselves to think intuitively, will never really be able to become a top chess player. Top chess players brains literally function differently then ours, ours are simply not optimized to predict exponentially branch possibilities forty or fifty turns in advance. In game design terms, Chess has experienced incredible amounts of meta-game growth.
Mechanics is a way a game can artificially hinder strategic (or meta-game) development. Mechanics are the inevitable result of a game operating in real time. By slowing the development of the metagame (strategy), intuition remains a useful skill.
(In response to Ruse being a superior strategic game, but unbalanced.
Has it ever occurred to you Ruse is poorly balanced for competitive play, or intrinsically unbalance able for competitive play, because lack of mechanics? Mechanics restrict the structuralising of gameplay. As gameplay becomes more structural, minute differences are amplified. As you decrease the role of mechanics, the inherent structure of the game has to become more balanced. Likewise, a game heavily driven by mechanics has a much laxer requirement on balance. Once you approach zero mechanics, you need to be at perfect balance.
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tl;dr: The kind of strategy your talking about can only occur in mechanically oriented games on a competitive level. Otherwise, the lack of mechanics results in "pure strategy", which becomes another complex, structural, mechanic in itself, similar to chess on the top level, a series of complex, mechanical, mental routines that require countless hours of practice in order to perform, with creative intuition playing an equal if not lesser role then it would in mechanically oriented RTS's.
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On October 07 2010 12:13 Ojahh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 01:45 chaoser wrote:rozina was just temp banned for 2 days by Hot_Bid. That account was created on 2010-09-10 20:11:22 and had 19 posts. Reason: On October 07 2010 01:34 rozina wrote:
I taught this is a strategy game, not a who has better mechanics game. MBS and the rest of AI should be there in BW, its just that no one taught of it before. NTT crying about MBS and stuff is just pissed that ppl who couldnt do that in BW can now win him since they are better at strategy part of the game and have better decision making.
Ofc BW was harder, but that is not a good thing! Thats the reason it is not played anymore. Except for Korea. This opinion is just so wrong and I typed a response like 3 times only to delete because there's just no way to respond to this other than a 2-day. Oh god hahaha, this one made me laugh so hard. Just his spelling and train of thought plus Hot_Bid's inability to respond back to his incoherent post is just rofl-inducing. I find that ban very saddening, I am putting together quotes and pictures about the shitty attitude towards SCII, because I wanted to make my first well written thread about this. it seems there is no point, as the dark age thinking has befallen the admins as well. just keep in mind, that chess is regarded as one of the best strategy games, because when you use a piece on the board to attack, it executes it, not like a dragoon, who only will do so if you combine a loot of useless clicks. thats why in my opinion SCII is more of a strategy game, and Broodwar, where the person who faster clicks and pushes more buttons has the advantage,is closer to counterstrike, sad but true.
Well, there is a difference between a strategy game and a REAL-TIME strategy game, in the latter you have to be faster and more precise. And it is more realistic, because somebody said it, there are idiots in every army squad
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On October 07 2010 11:22 mOnion wrote:
BigT not even big enough to deserve to be embarrassed on a showmatch with Chill
BigT vs. Combat-ex. Winner gets Chill. How about that?
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hm my chess example doesn't fully compare, trough to the lack of resource managing, fast reaction to enemies strategy and the timing aspects, but still a strategy game should have you worry, if your strategy is good, not if you placed e Building in the way of your workers,so that they actually mine correctly efficiently...........
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This Nigga Pookie was just banned by JWD.
That account was created on 2010-09-11 07:51:04 and had 9 posts.
Reason: Unacceptable username. Might have been able to get away with it for a few more days, if you hadn't started a crappy topic in SC2 General.
I thought his username was hilarious haha
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On October 07 2010 12:13 Ojahh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 01:45 chaoser wrote:rozina was just temp banned for 2 days by Hot_Bid. That account was created on 2010-09-10 20:11:22 and had 19 posts. Reason: On October 07 2010 01:34 rozina wrote:
I taught this is a strategy game, not a who has better mechanics game. MBS and the rest of AI should be there in BW, its just that no one taught of it before. NTT crying about MBS and stuff is just pissed that ppl who couldnt do that in BW can now win him since they are better at strategy part of the game and have better decision making.
Ofc BW was harder, but that is not a good thing! Thats the reason it is not played anymore. Except for Korea. This opinion is just so wrong and I typed a response like 3 times only to delete because there's just no way to respond to this other than a 2-day. Oh god hahaha, this one made me laugh so hard. Just his spelling and train of thought plus Hot_Bid's inability to respond back to his incoherent post is just rofl-inducing. I find that ban very saddening, I am putting together quotes and pictures about the shitty attitude towards SCII, because I wanted to make my first well written thread about this. it seems there is no point, as the dark age thinking has befallen the admins as well. just keep in mind, that chess is regarded as one of the best strategy games, because when you use a piece on the board to attack, it executes it, not like a dragoon, who only will do so if you combine a loot of useless clicks. thats why in my opinion SCII is more of a strategy game, and Broodwar, where the person who faster clicks and pushes more buttons has the advantage,is closer to counterstrike, sad but true.
Just a little nugget of info, every single mirror matchup is exactly the same as a chess match but without the turn based system. Which is exactly why everyone often has trouble with their mirror because everything has to be very precise in relation to your opponent just like a chess match.
Non-mirrors (PvT, ZvT, ZvP) are not related to chess in the slightest. If you were to relate non-mirrors to chess it would be the same as saying white uses chess pieces and black uses checker pieces (rough analogy but you get the idea).
This can apply to pretty much any rts but all I'm saying is if you want to reference chess in your arguments then please take note that it only applies to mirrors and not the game in its entirety.
/rant
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On October 07 2010 12:37 News wrote:Show nested quote +This Nigga Pookie was just banned by JWD.
That account was created on 2010-09-11 07:51:04 and had 9 posts.
Reason: Unacceptable username. Might have been able to get away with it for a few more days, if you hadn't started a crappy topic in SC2 General. I thought his username was hilarious haha
In general I'm against poop humor kind of names, that are meant to shock in a way. It attracts idiot posters to copy even if the poster using that name is not an idiot.
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On October 07 2010 08:46 Kenpachi wrote:
LOL Macronesia was banned by Micronesia.
LOLOLOL wow what a good ban
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On October 07 2010 17:20 Coagulation wrote:![[image loading]](http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m12/coagulatedSmurf/hostages.gif) I have a list of demands that if not met in 72 hours I will be forced to unleash the full power of my mutant cyborg death shark squad upon the defenseless inhabitants of team liquid. 1. My post count will be set at over 9000 2. Unban charlie and reinstate him with his 9 lives (hes gonna need em) 3. All sc2 vs BW debates will from now on be resolved by foam noodle duel to the death 4. Posting any kind of offtopic unfunny SC related pun will trigger a script that replaces the users entire post history with randomly generated SC words. 5. All content on the TL homepage will be replaced by an in depth Automated ban list section complete with mod ban statistics and leaderboards. 6. A fully fueled and ready to go TL.net bandwagon to aid me in my escape. 7. Do not attempt to contact the authorities or I will have to take drastic measures such as giving my cyborg death sharks lasers that shoot from the eyes. 8. Do not attempt to close this thread or ban me or i will be sad. just to prove that I am serious + Show Spoiler +User was temp banned for this post.
oh this one was Hilarious.
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On October 07 2010 18:01 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:20 Coagulation wrote:I have a list of demands that if not met in 72 hours I will be forced to unleash the full power of my mutant cyborg death shark squad upon the defenseless inhabitants of team liquid. 1. My post count will be set at over 9000 2. Unban charlie and reinstate him with his 9 lives (hes gonna need em) 3. All sc2 vs BW debates will from now on be resolved by foam noodle duel to the death 4. Posting any kind of offtopic unfunny SC related pun will trigger a script that replaces the users entire post history with randomly generated SC words. 5. All content on the TL homepage will be replaced by an in depth Automated ban list section complete with mod ban statistics and leaderboards. 6. A fully fueled and ready to go TL.net bandwagon to aid me in my escape. 7. Do not attempt to contact the authorities or I will have to take drastic measures such as giving my cyborg death sharks lasers that shoot from the eyes. 8. Do not attempt to close this thread or ban me or i will be sad. just to prove that I am serious + Show Spoiler +User was temp banned for this post. oh this one was Hilarious.
LMAO, he almost deserved not to be banned, just for the effort he put into it xD
but then again if he would have gotten away with it, more would try to follow
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