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igay

Australia1178 Posts

June 22 2013 03:54 GMT

#581

haha love the trailer lol

GraFx

United States429 Posts

June 22 2013 03:55 GMT

#582

On June 22 2013 08:55 zJayy962 wrote:

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On June 22 2013 08:20 Cele wrote:

On June 22 2013 07:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

On June 22 2013 06:33 Nakama wrote:

On June 22 2013 06:26 Piy wrote:
Don't like the commercialisation at all, but whatever I guess. Whole feeling of the community is so changed from a few years ago, makes me realise why I participate less and less.

Just my opinion, not just on this issue, but also the general trend of modern e-sports. Regardless of how much money people are making now, I had a lot more fun with Starcraft 5 years ago. Now I don't play or watch it, and endless adverts and sponsor shout outs and reddit posts about the stagnation of esports' growth just make me not want to. Was just better when I could watch an hour or so of fresh BW VOD's, play at the A/B ranks and not have to spend forever finding games (back when Iccup was a viable server) and enjoy the community interaction on TL.'

Feels now like something great is gone forever. I would love nothing more than to go back to BW being the niche game it was with a decent, dedicated following and a fun community; the thought of never truly getting to experience my favourite game of all time again is very disheartening and depressing.

Can't wait for the next good competitive RTS tbh, will hopefully be fun again.

This... i think sth in my heart died today.. TL was the last site i expected to implement sth like this.. build by fans run by fans... i will miss the good old times.. i always tried my best to support TL with the little i have but now i think i will adblock it again... im not trying to be offensive btw i just cant understand why the old system worked for so long and now suddenly they need to make sth like this other then greed i hope someone can give me some good arguments so i can get my faith back into my so loved number one website.

I created TL in 2002 when thought we could fill a special spot in the BW scene. In the first eight years it was a completely voluntary job for me (first I was an SC progamer, then I supported myself through poker). I think you should know that I worked my ass off the eight years before you created your account, without ever expecting this would one day become a business.

Today TeamLiquid.net has become a monster to manage that can't be ran based on anyone's passion alone. As a website offering so much to its users it is impossible to maintain without monetization. We have about 200 staff members the vast majority of whom are voluntary. However as with any organization we absolutely must have paid quality staff to lead and accommodate such a massive group of people, and to create revenue to pay for all the costs involved with running a website as large as this.

In terms of monetization I believe we have always stuck close to the principles that drove me to do this for eight years as a hobby. We've never considered doing popups, we have never locked popular public content behind paywalls, and we have never put up donation buttons. I think that we do a decent job at creating revenue sources that do not create negatives for those who don't want to spend money. Think of the store, non-instrusive ads, pay-what-you-want models, and TL+, which takes no functionality away from anyone who isn't interested in buying it.

no offense, but we heard the "well this site costs money, it's hard to just break even" argument quite a couple of times. It came up on various occasions, last time i recall was the opening of TL store.
I don't buy it. Judging by TL's unique clicks per day and the estimated revenue of the shop and other cooperations, such as papa johns pizza deal and sponsored threads, i assume TL was making quite some (not naming any numbers) in profit before the introduction of TL+. And i did take into account that people get paid as well.

If this is hilarious to you, open up your finances to the users. I would be more inclined to support TL by such a feature if i knew this site was having a hard time on breaking even.

He never said he had trouble breaking even. He has two pro teams, staff to pay, and a massive site that he must maintain. People have to live their lives. He's trying to do it in the most non-intrusive way possible and still people give TL shit about it. If you aren't going to support it, don't try to discourage others not to also just because you don't think TL should make more than you believe is "just".

People like you are poison to any community.

I don't get it, his opinion differed from yours and he is a poison to the community? Elaborate please.

StarStruck

25339 Posts

June 22 2013 03:56 GMT

#583

On June 22 2013 12:09 dAPhREAk wrote:

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people are being charitable and you are trying to make them feel bad for it? for shame.

The guy does make a good point though. I'm all for gifting the guy from Alberta who pretty much lost everything in the flood, but my lord look at all that charity. I hope some of you donate to good causes at the same time.

Abenson

Canada4122 Posts

June 22 2013 03:57 GMT

#584

Bought TL+ for a month!

The_Templar

your Country52797 Posts

June 22 2013 03:59 GMT

#585

On June 22 2013 11:44 cLAN.Anax wrote:
"+ Private TL+ Forum - In this private forum, all TL+ members will become best friends. What will be in this forum? What does your heart tell you? Follow your dreams."

I can tell how this'll look already: like a bunch of stuffed up executive-looking men with stuffy airs and glasses of Merlot swirling in crystal goblets, each discussing "sophisticated" topics to one another with a "refined" demeanor.

dAPhREAk: Ohhh, did you hear about the recent GSL Finals, my boy? I dare say, throughout the entire Live Report thread, KwarK delivered a number of strict bans in convincing fashion.
Caihead: H'indeed, dear good sir! 'Twas a wonder users continued to whine and complain about Zergs who happened to quilt.
both: Ba ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

[/kidding]

I've wanted to monetarily support TL for awhile now. I will strongly consider this avenue.

That conversation sounds like it would happen in the automated ban list thread more than the TL+ forum.
As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that the TL+ forum will soon become a carbon copy of the entirety of teamliquid.

Dodgin

Canada39254 Posts

June 22 2013 04:00 GMT

#586

On June 22 2013 12:56 StarStruck wrote:

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Maybe I'm alone here but I don't feel like I'm making a charitable donation, I feel like I'm giving back to TL for being a site that I use so frequently. Sure I could buy 3 months worth for myself, but I find it more fun to buy 1 month worth for myself and gift two months to quality posters/people I like.

Daogin

Canada2308 Posts

June 22 2013 04:10 GMT

#587

On June 22 2013 13:00 Dodgin wrote:

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Your a beautiful human being

remedium

United States939 Posts

June 22 2013 04:13 GMT

#588

I think it's really interesting to compare the income structures TL is adopting with those of other media outlets (can I call you that?). In an era where contemporary news sources are scrambling to figure out the best way to wean money from digital media to keep on keepin' on (paywalls, in particular), TL has the unique advantages of being born and bred in a purely digital format, and a fantastic fan base (significantly more useful than customer base).

The economics and sociology of TL are just so darn fascinating.

dAPhREAk

Nauru12397 Posts

June 22 2013 04:15 GMT

#589

On June 22 2013 12:56 StarStruck wrote:

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that wasnt a good point at all. thats like saying you should stop posting on tl.net because you are wasting time that you could be using for soup kitchens and other charitable organizations. for shame starstruck, what is wrong with you? why are you donating your time to worthless endeavors?????

quirinus

Croatia2489 Posts

June 22 2013 04:34 GMT

#590

Hahaha I'm just scrolling trough this - there are soooo many + already! Mission successful. Looks like you get a blue + if you gift a lot of +, as well.
The OP was very nicely worded to nudge you in the right direction. xD

Too bad it'll have to wait till I start working... I wouldn't get it for the features, as I don't really need those (lol I could code those for myself if I really wanted them XD), I would buy it to support TL.

endy

Switzerland8970 Posts

June 22 2013 04:37 GMT

#591

Nice. Will wait for the lifetime TL+.

edit : thank you very much to the person who gifted me TL+ <3
You know who you are. I don't :D

Necosarius

Sweden4042 Posts

June 22 2013 04:43 GMT

#592

Best trailer ever.

Steelavocado

United States2123 Posts

June 22 2013 04:48 GMT

#593

My precollege 300$/ month paycheck needs to be buffed. Still planing on buying it though

oBlade

United States5821 Posts

June 22 2013 05:10 GMT

#594

I wouldn't mind a slightly higher price if it meant more compelling features.

I also don't see what's wrong with an unobtrusive donate button. Something that you can click on if you want rather than something that pops up every time you log in saying SUPPORT TL YOU DONKEY! OKAY - NO THANKS.

Kupon3ss

時の回廊10066 Posts

June 22 2013 05:19 GMT

#595

hitting the "all" button in this thread does yield a lot of colors

Acrofales

Spain18187 Posts

June 22 2013 05:22 GMT

#596

Bought it for a month. Mainly to support TL, but multiperson PM and a "view all" button for large threads are pretty nifty. Also brb. Checking out the secret forums