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ohlala
Germany232 Posts
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PaprikaSpice
United States41 Posts
How important was it for you guys to have someone to talk to when you found out? Coming out is different for everyone. I have a really cool family, and although I don't think I'm especially effeminate, none of my friends were surprised or cared. It just didn't end up being a big deal for me. For others, it's huge. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On August 30 2010 07:00 Apexplayer wrote: I have studied genetics, thanks for the needless flame. If you studied genetics you would know that there isn't only recessive and dominant genes. The majority of gay people will tell you that they believe their sexuality is genetic, and people are finding evidence for this constantly. Maybe you have heard of the choice vs genes controversy? Aside from the flame. It is, reproductively, and unwanted trait which does cause the % of the trait in the population to diminish over time, recessive, dominant, co-dominant or not. If you have studied genetics, it wasn't very well. Anyone who studies genetics seriously will know that evolution goes hand-in-hand with it (and everything else in biology) and that's where your post is flawed. I'm guessing you believe it's a choice or else it would have dwindled away by now? Well make sure to read my post because I'm starting to sound like a broken record. Like I mentioned earlier, just because you can't directly reproduce does not mean that your genes are forever barred from the next generation--your relatives can pass on your genes for you as well. Homosexuality can be seen as an alternate mechanism to evolution (albeit less frequent) in that it adheres to kin selection. From the wikipedia entry on it: Kin selection refers to apparent strategies in evolution that favor the reproductive success of an organism's relatives, even at a cost to their own survival and/or reproduction. The classic example is a eusocial insect colony, in which sterile females act as workers to assist their mother in the production of additional offspring. Switch sterile females for voluntarily sterile brothers and mother to sisters in that last sentence and voila! The case of homosexuality makes a little more sense. If I had to classify homosexuality, I'd say that it acts similarly to an outlaw gene in that it jeopardizes the reproduction of other genes in favour of itself. I say this because there have been studies done where they have found that female relatives of gay males tend to be more fecund than females not known to have any gay relatives. If I had to make a guess, I'd say that under the right environmental conditions, males with the gay gene have a great chance of becoming homosexual, whereas this same gene in their female relatives makes them hornier (who knows, but they tend to have more children than average). With the brother having no children of his own, he works to ensure the survival and replication of his nieces and nephews, which in turn share his genes as well. So it benefits the sister's genes, while fucking over some of the brother's genes. It would also help his brothers who may not be expressing the homosexual trait but whom have the "gene" anyway Now the environment probably does have a bit to do with homosexuality, but I'd wager my life on their being a genetic precursor. I'd imagine that their could be some possible epigenetic factors involved or maybe even the way a certain portion of mRNA is spliced or something. Who knows, but there is something biological going on and the environmental component of it definitely wouldn't be a choice someone makes. I'm not so sure about the genetic processes of lesbians, but it leads me to believe that their may be alternative modes of inheritance of homosexuality, be it genes themselves or other biological factors. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
haha maybe you're gay and you just don't know it  | ||
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Catreina
United States304 Posts
I started actually transitioning at 28 - not excessively late in the grand scheme of things. One of the biggest issues for me has always been my voice. The earlier you start to work on your voice the better off you will be. I can recommend a few resources to help with voice manipulation, from members of the T* community who are fairly well known like Melanie Phillips (http://heartcorps.com/journeys/voice.htm), Andrea James, and Calpernia Addams (http://www.deepstealth.com/) I am wondering if we should take this part of the conversation to a new thread or PMs, as it is not technically "gay starcraft players" on-topic... | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
On August 30 2010 07:57 Masamune wrote: haha maybe you're gay and you just don't know it Well we can haggle all night, but there's definitely a price point | ||
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Brambled
United States750 Posts
On August 30 2010 07:57 Masamune wrote: haha maybe you're gay and you just don't know it Wouldn't surprise me. I can look at some guy and know he is good looking or hot; but I don't go actively looking. I also love when gay guys flirt with me. | ||
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Brambled
United States750 Posts
On August 30 2010 08:00 ghen wrote: Well we can haggle all night, but there's definitely a price point Seriously who wouldn't suck a dick for 10k? | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On August 30 2010 08:02 Brambled wrote: Wouldn't surprise me. I can look at some guy and know he is good looking or hot; but I don't go actively looking. I also love when gay guys flirt with me. haha well maybe, but it's either that or you're very straight; usually the latter is super confident with his sexuality to the point where he isn't bothered one bit by gays. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On August 30 2010 07:58 Catreina wrote: To Dark.Carnival and iamahydralisk: I started actually transitioning at 28 - not excessively late in the grand scheme of things. One of the biggest issues for me has always been my voice. The earlier you start to work on your voice the better off you will be. I can recommend a few resources to help with voice manipulation, from members of the T* community who are fairly well known like Melanie Phillips (http://heartcorps.com/journeys/voice.htm), Andrea James, and Calpernia Addams (http://www.deepstealth.com/) I am wondering if we should take this part of the conversation to a new thread or PMs, as it is not technically "gay starcraft players" on-topic... I have a question regarding transgendered folk. If you like members of the same sex but feel this burning urge to actually emulate the opposite sex, doesn't this mean that although you will have the "right" body, you won't necessarily attract the "right" mate? Like I'd assume your ideal mate would be a straight male, but isn't this really hard to come despite the surgeries, so what makes you decide? | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On August 30 2010 08:03 Brambled wrote: Seriously who wouldn't suck a dick for 10k? A heterosexual. | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
On August 30 2010 07:58 Catreina wrote: To Dark.Carnival and iamahydralisk: I started actually transitioning at 28 - not excessively late in the grand scheme of things. One of the biggest issues for me has always been my voice. The earlier you start to work on your voice the better off you will be. I can recommend a few resources to help with voice manipulation, from members of the T* community who are fairly well known like Melanie Phillips (http://heartcorps.com/journeys/voice.htm), Andrea James, and Calpernia Addams (http://www.deepstealth.com/) I am wondering if we should take this part of the conversation to a new thread or PMs, as it is not technically "gay starcraft players" on-topic... Voice is my biggest issue as well. I've been working on it somewhat consistently for around two months now and it can be really frustrating at times. Hardest part is having the discipline to keep at it. | ||
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Catreina
United States304 Posts
On August 30 2010 08:22 Dark.Carnival wrote: Voice is my biggest issue as well. I've been working on it somewhat consistently for around two months now and it can be really frustrating at times. Hardest part is having the discipline to keep at it. Part of my issue is that I will "break" into a perfect voice, where I sound totally appropriate. When I am not at that point, I sound forced, and my voice gets strained the longer I am not in that "break" area. I own the Deep Stealth Productions voice products, and I feel that Melanie Phillips is a much better result (though I have not reached that point). You can hear signs in the clips from Andrea but almost not at all with Melanie's. | ||
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Catreina
United States304 Posts
On August 30 2010 08:16 Masamune wrote: I have a question regarding transgendered folk. If you like members of the same sex but feel this burning urge to actually emulate the opposite sex, doesn't this mean that although you will have the "right" body, you won't necessarily attract the "right" mate? Like I'd assume your ideal mate would be a straight male, but isn't this really hard to come despite the surgeries, so what makes you decide? Gender identity has no bearing what-so-ever on sexual preference. I have been attracted to women all my life. I have never had a true attraction to men. Even after realizing what I was at like 14 (and knowing I was 'different from around 5), I did not stop liking girls and women. Generally speaking, you 'know' what your preference is around puberty. You know who you are attracted to and who you aren't for the most part. If you are MtF and are attracted to men, you identify as a heterosexual woman. If you are MtF and like women, you identify as a lesbian woman. "Attracting the right mate" is just as easy or difficult for us as it is for homosexual and heterosexual humans, though I met Leigh when I was 21 and she was told within a few days of us starting to develop our relationship. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
So are transgendered people who go the full way into their surgeries not afraid that their partners may lose their initial attraction for them? Is this something you've worried about? I'm guessing Leigh is okay with everything? | ||
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Catreina
United States304 Posts
On August 30 2010 08:35 Masamune wrote: Oh my bad, I always thought gender identity was strongly linked to sexual identity. So are transgendered people who go the full way into their surgeries not afraid that their partners may lose their initial attraction for them? Is this something you've worried about? I'm guessing Leigh is okay with everything? Leigh had (and sometimes still has) some issues with being seen as lesbian, but for the most part she is ok. She has 100% been my strongest supporter, my most outspoken defender, and a great shoulder to lean on. Transsexuals are almost 100% concerned not only for losing their partners, but their moms, dads, brothers, sisters, extended family members, jobs, support systems, children, and anything else you can think of. People in general are very ignorant about the why's of being trans. They get scared because they don't know, and that fear leads to (in my eyes) unwarranted hatred. Before I told my mom, I was afraid of losing everything and everyone, and being forced to live on the streets. It is a valid fear that thankfully did not come to fruition with me. I know people whom this has happened to however, and it is not a good thing (tm). | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
mora, do you feel a biological clock of sorts to have children and a family? where does the instinct to pass on your genes fit into everything? without outside assistance, there is only kin selection at work, so wouldn't it make sense for gays to have a genetic predisposition to be more protective of their families? i'm just playing around with these concepts, i'm stuck waiting for my shuttle at MLG raleigh =P | ||
KwarK
United States44451 Posts
No, a heterosexual just wouldn't enjoy it. But I've done a fuckload of things I don't enjoy for a lot less than 10k. Sign me up. | ||
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
you know, someone who offers 10k to see one guy suck another guy's dick has more sexuality issues than the guy that agrees to do it | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
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