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On January 12 2014 20:06 xAdra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 10:14 Bleak wrote:
I think this is the third time in this topic But I really, really fucking hate Nature's Prophet. The most broken hero in the game. If you don't have certain heroes to counter him, there's absolutely no way to stop him. You will eventually lose to his OP split push. Teleport needs +10sec more cd. Are you a man? 10 seconds? Seriously? Only an idiot would suggest something like this. To even make this kind of change and still be balanced would be impossible. Here's something a sensible person would do:
Are you so insecure u have to call people an idiot to make yourself feel better?
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On January 12 2014 23:54 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 20:06 xAdra wrote:On January 12 2014 10:14 Bleak wrote:
I think this is the third time in this topic But I really, really fucking hate Nature's Prophet. The most broken hero in the game. If you don't have certain heroes to counter him, there's absolutely no way to stop him. You will eventually lose to his OP split push. Teleport needs +10sec more cd. Are you a man? 10 seconds? Seriously? Only an idiot would suggest something like this. To even make this kind of change and still be balanced would be impossible. Here's something a sensible person would do: Are you so insecure u have to call people an idiot to make yourself feel better?
I hope you caught the joke in my post
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TL doesnt have automatic sarcasm detector yet
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On January 12 2014 12:16 idonthinksobro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 08:54 Lavitage2 wrote:On January 12 2014 01:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
be in veno + pugna lane
venomancer was retarded and didn't get wards instead he skilled 3-2-0-1
whatever kill luna and lion that lane against us and take the tower anyways
my team feeds in the meantime, doom + maiden lane just feeds, being way out of position all the time.
mid storm doing alright.
We have 6 towers while the enemy has no low ground tower left.
We are crushing every teamfight
storm randomly goes afk and abandons
my team decides to leave, despite us winning hard even without him.
-27 points
3-2-0-1 into 3-2-4-2 is the best veno skill build if you're in a tough contested lane and you have regular wards next to you. Each individual point in gale and sting gives so much extra lane presence, which is what you need in a 2v2 lane. An early point in plague ward is only good if you need it for map vision and can afford to leave the lane every so often (f.e you've beat down an offlaner and need to pull or help control a rune) Maxing plague ward at 7 is only good if you need to push hard, or hold off a hard pushing enemy comp. By level 10 you can be sure that teams will at least be making moves on tier 1s, so maxed ward is great to have. not true, especially not in a pugna veno lane, if he gets wards early the t1 is taking a lot of damage early, we got first blood in our lane too and we had ridicilous fast mana boots + basilius ring. There is no way in hell they could have defended (without help) if we push with veno wards lvl 3 and pugna blast lvl 3. Not getting wards just delayed the push. Wards allow you to jungle, 3 points in wards and 1 in sting is enough to farm ancients at a reasonably fast pace, since we were double offlane he should have done that and not sit in lane and take my exp - at least he didn't try to take my last hits. I don't mind him getting gale and i don't mind him getting sting first, but 2 points in wards by lvl 5 would have been way better than ignoring wards.
Sacrificing the insane amount of trading and fighting ability that 3 gale, 2 sting gives you just so you can take a single tier 1 slightly earlier is stupid as hell, hth. And I'd never leave pugna to solo offlane so I could jungle as venomancer.
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so im dp mid again, winning against a sub mediocre puck.
he bottles invis rune, stays in lane and the heads to our safe lane.
i spam miss and ping bot.
"DOUBLE KILL"
win mid, take tower @ 8
go safe, take that tower as well, get two kills on the shitty mirana that got fed there.
go off, take that tower as well, because BALANCED SPIRIT and fucking BROOD MOTHER cant accomplish that against morph/sd lane.
what a fucking surprise that the brood and he dual safelaners were stacked.
they were very convinced that i was the shittiest player on our team and that i lost them the game because 'no ganks and no miss' and aparently i should read some beginner guides how to mid.
safelane support warding behind the medium camp on the radiant side had nothing to do with the fact they missed the second time puck came to the lane as well.
the result at that time was 3-21 with me having 2 of those 3 kills and the balanced spirit the other one.
but nope, i suck, they are pro as fuck.
oh, how quiet they became after i asked them for their MMR.
'b-b-but what does it matter?'
yeah, if you gona flame me out of the blue you better believe that the MMR is a good indicator of who is the shitty player in this team and who is not
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I would like to give a big shoutout to doom for making my computer turn into a giant shithole every game
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one of my worst games yet. 200 ping as puck..ok. Still winning. How? The enemy viper is being a complete douche, and starts playing bad on purpose just to prove that his team sucks. Would have been a good and close game otherwise. Fucking downer should be banned for good.
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On January 13 2014 00:07 xAdra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 23:54 govie wrote:On January 12 2014 20:06 xAdra wrote:On January 12 2014 10:14 Bleak wrote:
I think this is the third time in this topic But I really, really fucking hate Nature's Prophet. The most broken hero in the game. If you don't have certain heroes to counter him, there's absolutely no way to stop him. You will eventually lose to his OP split push. Teleport needs +10sec more cd. Are you a man? 10 seconds? Seriously? Only an idiot would suggest something like this. To even make this kind of change and still be balanced would be impossible. Here's something a sensible person would do: Are you so insecure u have to call people an idiot to make yourself feel better? I hope you caught the joke in my post
my bad
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I'm shadow fiend mid. The moment I pick him I immediately get counterpicked by Razor. Whatever fine.
Somehow I actually beat him p hard mid. So much for "getting matched up with people of equal skill" cuz I really dont see how Razor loses that matchup when someone with a brain is playing him.
Anyway obviously rest of the team feeds hard, gg wp game was hard.
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Just had a SF game as well, early game went fine, survived every gank and even got some kills, got some quick levels and an early Shadow Blade and in general we owned the early game. Then the enemys Magnus + Enigma combo started doing their stuff and my team refused to not clump directly around me. And after their combo was done my team straight up refused to attack the enemy Lycan who was literally the only one who could do anything against me. No, the fleeing Magnus is much more important.
Admittedly I was playing worse and worse the longer the game went on and fed some unneccessary deaths mindlessly pushing but that is just what happens when after the first succesful RP my team goes into this "Oh, no they have such good teamfight, we lost" mentality. Especially my brother with whom I play quite often does this all the time. In his mind some combos are just unbeatable. I don't know how often I explained to him that pushing as five mid lane while the enemy has full vision is not the way to go against a Blink Magnus + Enigma.
To top it off, our Mirana decided to blame the loss on the fact that we had two Drums in our team.
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Playing with 3 friends. Ask for mid. Our 5th lastpicks storm. I give him mid. Check his items after some time. Dagon 1. No other item. No boots.
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12 game ranked losing streak
why
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On January 13 2014 01:54 Lavitage2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 12:16 idonthinksobro wrote:On January 12 2014 08:54 Lavitage2 wrote:On January 12 2014 01:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
be in veno + pugna lane
venomancer was retarded and didn't get wards instead he skilled 3-2-0-1
whatever kill luna and lion that lane against us and take the tower anyways
my team feeds in the meantime, doom + maiden lane just feeds, being way out of position all the time.
mid storm doing alright.
We have 6 towers while the enemy has no low ground tower left.
We are crushing every teamfight
storm randomly goes afk and abandons
my team decides to leave, despite us winning hard even without him.
-27 points
3-2-0-1 into 3-2-4-2 is the best veno skill build if you're in a tough contested lane and you have regular wards next to you. Each individual point in gale and sting gives so much extra lane presence, which is what you need in a 2v2 lane. An early point in plague ward is only good if you need it for map vision and can afford to leave the lane every so often (f.e you've beat down an offlaner and need to pull or help control a rune) Maxing plague ward at 7 is only good if you need to push hard, or hold off a hard pushing enemy comp. By level 10 you can be sure that teams will at least be making moves on tier 1s, so maxed ward is great to have. not true, especially not in a pugna veno lane, if he gets wards early the t1 is taking a lot of damage early, we got first blood in our lane too and we had ridicilous fast mana boots + basilius ring. There is no way in hell they could have defended (without help) if we push with veno wards lvl 3 and pugna blast lvl 3. Not getting wards just delayed the push. Wards allow you to jungle, 3 points in wards and 1 in sting is enough to farm ancients at a reasonably fast pace, since we were double offlane he should have done that and not sit in lane and take my exp - at least he didn't try to take my last hits. I don't mind him getting gale and i don't mind him getting sting first, but 2 points in wards by lvl 5 would have been way better than ignoring wards. Sacrificing the insane amount of trading and fighting ability that 3 gale, 2 sting gives you just so you can take a single tier 1 slightly earlier is stupid as hell, hth. And I'd never leave pugna to solo offlane so I could jungle as venomancer.
i can't link it directly from datdota, but almost everytime venomancer is used in high level games they go for 1-1-4-1.
http://www.datdota.com/skill_builds.php search for venomancer.
The reasons are fairly obvious, gale scales poorly so does sting the reason to pick up gale and sting first is mainly for the slow and the extra safety you get. Wards are just way better early they allow you to defend, they allow you to farm, they give you vision and of course they are you main pushing skill.
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On January 13 2014 11:25 RockIronrod wrote:
12 game ranked losing streak
why
and now i'm getting yelled at by a gyro who didn't get rocket barrage level 1 in an aggro trilane with cm/visage for not being more aggressive against bane/mirana/veno which is somehow the reason visage has walked into a dozen arrows despite me pulling the nightmare off him from a safe position
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Lich trying to carry when he's the only support. Aside from me doing so as Naga. We go down 8-3 quick. I can't handle games like that, I abandoned at like the 9 minute mark.
edit: Next game, razor intentionally feeds mid. Stands on the other side of the river and says "FREE KILL" in all chat. I abandoned that one too. I just want ONE decent fucking game. I may have to resort to ixdl.
The ratio of non-english speaking fucktards to english speaking fucktards seems to be about 6-1.
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dire: Pugna, onmi, rubick (me), dp, gyro vs radiant: windranger, morph, lone druid, riki, abbadon
Play rubick, cliff the other team's windranger at 0:00. We were going to trilane, but I decide against it since the lane appeared to be abandoned since likely winrunner solo I went bottom to help our pugna against riki. I get the haste bottom that was still there and come to kill riki. Riki dodges first blast, we right clicking him down. Pugna uses decrep at the worst time and he gets away. Then proceed to get ganked by windranger and lone druid from jungle. Where are the wards i bought? still in base...
So now I go top since bottom is lost cause. Gyro missing last hits left and right. Spamming flack to push wave. the solo morph is outleveling him hard. He proceeds to get 10 min midas... Omni gets a 13 min midas. Welp there goes our push.
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Pugna/Death Prophet Lane: Fuck that shit.
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mmr is so fucked, you get matched literally with people +/- 1000 mmr despite having like 50 games...
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