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On December 17 2013 13:30 Plansix wrote:
CM, CM all day. It was my job to buy mek, but god damn it, he had so much more farm than me. I was so poor from buying all the wards...
For once I can relate to plainsix as ogre and maiden Both is fine but I like Urn on ogre more then mekanik as ogre tend to roam a bit too. On the other hand the urn is cheap and maiden was poor. But still I feel like maiden is better for meka in most comps. Maiden can jungle or grind the gold after some levels and still babysit carry, ogre has less reliable income options, he needs ganks (or i feel he farms worse then a maiden). Maybe a cheap urn better option then meka on ogre. And meka gives maiden more survivalbility by semi-increasing her HP. Its annoying when u are alone in the supportrole, screws everything up.
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Solo que in ranked, can't seem to get a decent game lately  My first 10 matches was 5W 5L and since then I have got some really shitty games. 5 losses in a row, first 2 because i queued captains draft and our captains in both matches made sure the games would be quick stomps. After that I only queued all pick, get a guy that wants dk mid, up vs SF. Dies 3 times in 6 mins, then feeds another 19 deaths because he's mad. Next game was suicidal Space cow and so on...
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I'm a very competitive person and I get pretty tryhard when it comes to DotA, but going into ranked and attaching a heightened significance to every match you play only seems good if you're trying to get your blood pressure to dangerous levels
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Like... i can't win in ranked. Pick a carry, enemy roates 3+ into my lane constantly - i am completely shut down most of the game. Pick BH and go 7 - 2 early, two kills on enemy carry(void) nope, our Tiny and slark just dives for kills and feeds sniper under his tower again and again. Like i don't even know how they do it, i played pretty reckless and dived stupidly and greedily and hence had 7 deaths after 25ish min on BH, tiny 13 slark 11. Like how do they even manage to die that much? How is it even possible...
Like.. just... PLEASE i want a decent game.
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People including myself have a this self-defensive mechanism when someone calls someone else out on a mistake. So for the most part, I'm pretty honest with myself and I admit to my mistakes especially when it's blatant but occasionally I would just argue with some random pub guy on whatever the hell either of us was doing.
It's a lesson in futility when your lengthening an argument that can just end outright and I should try to keep that in mind because when I'm focusing on arguing with someone I may never play with again, it ruins my focus in general.
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On December 17 2013 17:56 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 15:36 Darkren wrote:On December 17 2013 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
i can relate to how frustrating a game can be when your both the sole support of 4 people as well having another team player with either an ogre magi, visage and so on getting an aghs over wards until it's too late. Atlest agh on visage is legit, on ogre its just a 400 mana, low dmg stunt Ogre is also fat Woah, low damage? A 6sec CD nuke that at lvl 16 will hit for an average maybe 500 some (cba doing the math for average, feel free to if u want) damage and up to 1100. And stuns on top of it. Like every other standard nuke in the game is 250-350 damage on full level and generally in the 8-12sec CD area. Low damage? Its like the highest nuke damage in the game on a very low CD. As someone who played Ogre a lot, getting an Agh on him in the right circumstances is super legit and makes him one of the most legit supports lategame. Yes he has other problems (melee, needs lvls more than many other supports). Yes he needs mana to support the Agh. Yes going Agh first item is terrible. Yes you should obviously not forego other support duties to farm Agh. But if you get to the late parts of a game where even support have 2-3 big items, getting an Agh plus some mana regen item (Euls for poor man regen, Sheep/Bloodstone ideally though) can make you a beast. He should be higher prio than CM to get big items any day.
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Range: 600
Duration: 1.5
Damage: 275
Cooldown 6 sec
Can multicast
Manacost 400
Source http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Ogre_Magi
The lv 4 fireblast does 275 damage and cost 3x less mana, yes i conseder agh to be a worthless upgrade on ogre, a scythe would be way better, or a forcestaff, mek euls.
Compared to other aghs upgrade this one is preaty terribad ill take visage buff bird anyday bro
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On December 18 2013 06:17 Kuroeeah wrote:
People including myself have a this self-defensive mechanism when someone calls someone else out on a mistake. So for the most part, I'm pretty honest with myself and I admit to my mistakes especially when it's blatant but occasionally I would just argue with some random pub guy on whatever the hell either of us was doing.
It's a lesson in futility when your lengthening an argument that can just end outright and I should try to keep that in mind because when I'm focusing on arguing with someone I may never play with again, it ruins my focus in general.
as long as you dont say stuff like: "i have won more than you did loser. i earned money by playing dota" and feed on the offlane its fine
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On December 18 2013 06:35 Darkren wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 17:56 Kreb wrote:On December 17 2013 15:36 Darkren wrote:On December 17 2013 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
i can relate to how frustrating a game can be when your both the sole support of 4 people as well having another team player with either an ogre magi, visage and so on getting an aghs over wards until it's too late. Atlest agh on visage is legit, on ogre its just a 400 mana, low dmg stunt Ogre is also fat Woah, low damage? A 6sec CD nuke that at lvl 16 will hit for an average maybe 500 some (cba doing the math for average, feel free to if u want) damage and up to 1100. And stuns on top of it. Like every other standard nuke in the game is 250-350 damage on full level and generally in the 8-12sec CD area. Low damage? Its like the highest nuke damage in the game on a very low CD. As someone who played Ogre a lot, getting an Agh on him in the right circumstances is super legit and makes him one of the most legit supports lategame. Yes he has other problems (melee, needs lvls more than many other supports). Yes he needs mana to support the Agh. Yes going Agh first item is terrible. Yes you should obviously not forego other support duties to farm Agh. But if you get to the late parts of a game where even support have 2-3 big items, getting an Agh plus some mana regen item (Euls for poor man regen, Sheep/Bloodstone ideally though) can make you a beast. He should be higher prio than CM to get big items any day. ? Range: 600 Duration: 1.5 Damage: 275 Cooldown 6 sec Can multicast Manacost 400 Source http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Ogre_MagiThe lv 4 fireblast does 275 damage and cost 3x less mana, yes i conseder agh to be a worthless upgrade on ogre, a scythe would be way better, or a forcestaff, mek euls. Compared to other aghs upgrade this one is preaty terribad ill take visage buff bird anyday bro
did you read the multicast description? do the math?
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The game has become unplayable since they removed solo que if you are alone. I hope they patch it back in.
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On December 18 2013 06:43 idonthinksobro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 06:35 Darkren wrote:On December 17 2013 17:56 Kreb wrote:On December 17 2013 15:36 Darkren wrote:On December 17 2013 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
i can relate to how frustrating a game can be when your both the sole support of 4 people as well having another team player with either an ogre magi, visage and so on getting an aghs over wards until it's too late. Atlest agh on visage is legit, on ogre its just a 400 mana, low dmg stunt Ogre is also fat Woah, low damage? A 6sec CD nuke that at lvl 16 will hit for an average maybe 500 some (cba doing the math for average, feel free to if u want) damage and up to 1100. And stuns on top of it. Like every other standard nuke in the game is 250-350 damage on full level and generally in the 8-12sec CD area. Low damage? Its like the highest nuke damage in the game on a very low CD. As someone who played Ogre a lot, getting an Agh on him in the right circumstances is super legit and makes him one of the most legit supports lategame. Yes he has other problems (melee, needs lvls more than many other supports). Yes he needs mana to support the Agh. Yes going Agh first item is terrible. Yes you should obviously not forego other support duties to farm Agh. But if you get to the late parts of a game where even support have 2-3 big items, getting an Agh plus some mana regen item (Euls for poor man regen, Sheep/Bloodstone ideally though) can make you a beast. He should be higher prio than CM to get big items any day. ? Range: 600 Duration: 1.5 Damage: 275 Cooldown 6 sec Can multicast Manacost 400 Source http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Ogre_MagiThe lv 4 fireblast does 275 damage and cost 3x less mana, yes i conseder agh to be a worthless upgrade on ogre, a scythe would be way better, or a forcestaff, mek euls. Compared to other aghs upgrade this one is preaty terribad ill take visage buff bird anyday bro did you read the multicast description? do the math?
Wait here. Visage is really really good. Ogre has a chance factor to be awesome occasionally, visage is awesome if player is awesome. The chancefactor says hes right, because u cant depend on it fully. But i must say that if u look at the awesome stuff u can do, ogre is really good (with or without aghs, i normally dont get that far to reach a aghs).
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On December 18 2013 06:43 idonthinksobro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 06:35 Darkren wrote:On December 17 2013 17:56 Kreb wrote:On December 17 2013 15:36 Darkren wrote:On December 17 2013 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
i can relate to how frustrating a game can be when your both the sole support of 4 people as well having another team player with either an ogre magi, visage and so on getting an aghs over wards until it's too late. Atlest agh on visage is legit, on ogre its just a 400 mana, low dmg stunt Ogre is also fat Woah, low damage? A 6sec CD nuke that at lvl 16 will hit for an average maybe 500 some (cba doing the math for average, feel free to if u want) damage and up to 1100. And stuns on top of it. Like every other standard nuke in the game is 250-350 damage on full level and generally in the 8-12sec CD area. Low damage? Its like the highest nuke damage in the game on a very low CD. As someone who played Ogre a lot, getting an Agh on him in the right circumstances is super legit and makes him one of the most legit supports lategame. Yes he has other problems (melee, needs lvls more than many other supports). Yes he needs mana to support the Agh. Yes going Agh first item is terrible. Yes you should obviously not forego other support duties to farm Agh. But if you get to the late parts of a game where even support have 2-3 big items, getting an Agh plus some mana regen item (Euls for poor man regen, Sheep/Bloodstone ideally though) can make you a beast. He should be higher prio than CM to get big items any day. ? Range: 600 Duration: 1.5 Damage: 275 Cooldown 6 sec Can multicast Manacost 400 Source http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Ogre_MagiThe lv 4 fireblast does 275 damage and cost 3x less mana, yes i conseder agh to be a worthless upgrade on ogre, a scythe would be way better, or a forcestaff, mek euls. Compared to other aghs upgrade this one is preaty terribad ill take visage buff bird anyday bro did you read the multicast description? do the math?
I know what multicast does, the thing u have to realize is this gives him a spell that can multi but it cost 400 mana per cast, that means for one full round of spells (fireblast, unrefined, ignite) u spend close to 800 mana and u have to spend that same amount every 6 seconds, compared to his normal fireblast, unrefined is a piece of shit because realistically u will get it off maybe 1 time in a fight
Agh on other hero provide immediate benefits with no detriments, Visage gets an extra bird, more damage, more stunts all that directly when he purchases aghs, Viper gets a lower cd ult with longer range, with lower mana. Sk gets more damage and slow off his ult and no additional mana cost. Clock gets reduced CD at no additional mana cost. Invoker gets 0 cd and 0 mana invoke. Disruptor gets to shut down items activation and increased damage and duration at no additional mana cost.
Of course if we are talking about the theoretically 6 slotted ogre with an OD next to him then yes it is a good upgrade, but in every other situation a hex will help u immensely more in a fight then an agh (basically every support/mage items performs better than aghs on ogre) So it is a shitty upgrade that u shouldn't get.
This reminds me of the NS agh and refresher thread were people are arguying that refresher is a good 9th item on ns ROFL
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On December 18 2013 07:37 Darkren wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 06:43 idonthinksobro wrote:On December 18 2013 06:35 Darkren wrote:On December 17 2013 17:56 Kreb wrote:On December 17 2013 15:36 Darkren wrote:On December 17 2013 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
i can relate to how frustrating a game can be when your both the sole support of 4 people as well having another team player with either an ogre magi, visage and so on getting an aghs over wards until it's too late. Atlest agh on visage is legit, on ogre its just a 400 mana, low dmg stunt Ogre is also fat Woah, low damage? A 6sec CD nuke that at lvl 16 will hit for an average maybe 500 some (cba doing the math for average, feel free to if u want) damage and up to 1100. And stuns on top of it. Like every other standard nuke in the game is 250-350 damage on full level and generally in the 8-12sec CD area. Low damage? Its like the highest nuke damage in the game on a very low CD. As someone who played Ogre a lot, getting an Agh on him in the right circumstances is super legit and makes him one of the most legit supports lategame. Yes he has other problems (melee, needs lvls more than many other supports). Yes he needs mana to support the Agh. Yes going Agh first item is terrible. Yes you should obviously not forego other support duties to farm Agh. But if you get to the late parts of a game where even support have 2-3 big items, getting an Agh plus some mana regen item (Euls for poor man regen, Sheep/Bloodstone ideally though) can make you a beast. He should be higher prio than CM to get big items any day. ? Range: 600 Duration: 1.5 Damage: 275 Cooldown 6 sec Can multicast Manacost 400 Source http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Ogre_MagiThe lv 4 fireblast does 275 damage and cost 3x less mana, yes i conseder agh to be a worthless upgrade on ogre, a scythe would be way better, or a forcestaff, mek euls. Compared to other aghs upgrade this one is preaty terribad ill take visage buff bird anyday bro did you read the multicast description? do the math? I know what multicast does, the thing u have to realize is this gives him a spell that can multi but it cost 400 mana per cast, that means for one full round of spells (fireblast, unrefined, ignite) u spend close to 800 mana and u have to spend that same amount every 6 seconds, compared to his normal fireblast, unrefined is a piece of shit because realistically u will get it off maybe 1 time in a fight Agh on other hero provide immediate benefits with no detriments, Visage gets an extra bird, more damage, more stunts all that directly when he purchases aghs, Viper gets a lower cd ult with longer range, with lower mana. Sk gets more damage and slow off his ult and no additional mana cost. Clock gets reduced CD at no additional mana cost. Invoker gets 0 cd and 0 mana invoke. Disruptor gets to shut down items activation and increased damage and duration at no additional mana cost. Of course if we are talking about the theoretically 6 slotted ogre with an OD next to him then yes it is a good upgrade, but in every other situation a hex will help u immensely more in a fight then an agh (basically every support/mage items performs better than aghs on ogre) So it is a shitty upgrade that u shouldn't get. This reminds me of the NS agh and refresher thread were people are arguying that refresher is a good 9th item on ns ROFL
And to be clear, all of that stupid 400 mana burst could have been a mek and other items, rather than the 38 minute mek we got because he refused to buy wards.
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My gaming buddy I've known (online) for around 8 years now that was also my main queue partner in DotA 2 died two weeks back and I've had a massive streak of shit games after that to make things even worse.
"Let's not build BKB's vs their mass magic damage and control"
"Let's win early game so that Tusk can snowball half our team into Void ults every god damn fight"
"Let's have most of our team wiped by ES slam dunk thanks to everyone sitting on top of Broodmother and her 100 spiders"
Even though I get more frustrated by every game I keep playing due to utter stubbornness. Of the last 8 games I've won 1 and enemy DC*d mid game there.
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On December 17 2013 03:05 DinoMight wrote:
I play casually, have read a little about pro builds but I don't follow the scene like I do SC2.
HUKSAR.
WHAT THE FUCK.
???!!!!!
I play Tinker, so I'm used to the "oh, another hero sees me. I'm dead now" feeling. But like.. seriously, what the fuck is up with Huskar.
Also,
PHANTOM LANCER.
Or as my friends call him, Cancer Lancer. How do you beat this guy? Typically 3-4 of my friends and I play together and we end up with 1-2 guys constantly feeding PL. His copies make more copies.
Literally, I don't know how you kill him when pretty much all your energy is just wasted on finding out which one HE is.
/QQ
if you want to beat PL, get SD on your team. Or Medusa. Or any hero that can do well with bf. SD's disruption makes illl of PL which can replicate also. Morphling's replicate works the same way, has a longish cd though. or do a push lineup and deny him the time to farm up. carry dust always or sentries or a gem when you go after him.
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i think it was a terrible idea for valve to bring mmr since now everyone can see how fucked up their matchmaking is
im 2-9 in solo queue now cuz i get matched EVERYTIME WITH FUCKING ILLITERATE DUMBFUCKS with 4200 fucking rating how is that even fair
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Ok, I just played with the worst captain on the planet.
Insta picks captain, attempts to do the following
Counter Doom with warlock - because of the heal through doom????
Counter Dusa with KotL - because of mana leak. I suggested countering her with a strong push strat. He also claims Pugna is terrible hero.
Refuses to listen to the team during draft, refuses to pick any heroes any one request or suggests. Gets frustrated, refuses to pick a hero and we get a random vengful as our last pick. So now we have four supports and a DP. I am KotL. Captain takes DP, flames all game and then freaks out demanding to 1v1 me when I say lost because we dont have a carry. Claims to be pro during dota prime.
His MMR is 2800, clearly a top level pro.
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I'm going to QQ on behalf of my opponents.
The backstory
+ Show Spoiler +My first game of Dota in a week or two since I've been studying for finals, I expect to be terrible because of both that and because last hitting and surviving ganks and teamfights are tough when you are on laggy college internet.
We get into a Random Draft and we end up with me on Gyro and my buddying on undying, my other friend as mid Pudge, and hard lane as Dazzle-Weaver with some dudes who didn't talk much.
Laning Stage
+ Show Spoiler +We lane against Clinkz-Naga and my buddy mid is against Bloodseeker. Kills are exchanged, I get alright farm, Pudge wins mid, top lane goes ok (Dazzle kill secures but nobody cared that much), but Undying's lack of sleep and long car ride home from college causes him to make some poor decisions. Initially Clinkz is too scared to farm because all the Decays have him at 300 hp, but Undying didn't buy sentries or dust as things went on, and he wandered into the jungle twice into Clinkz. We get a few kills on him but I think it's safe to say Clinkz got more out of lane than I did.
The QQ
+ Show Spoiler +Fast forward, Clinkz and Naga kill me and Undying bot, Dazzle gets killed top but Pudge gets a double kill to stop them from crushing us. Clinkz and Naga tp mid to save their friend running from haste Pudge, and things back off into a stalemate mid. Weaver tries to shukuchi to their side of the river, but gets caught by Clinkz-Naga-Puck. The other two members of their team are tp'ing in when Dazzle, Undying and I respawn. We tp to our mid tower expecting to lose Pudge and Weaver and stall out a push with shadow wave and flak cannon, with maybe a tombstone if they dive hard enough. But as we're tp'ing in, it happened.
Naga used song of the Siren.
Weaver was alone on their side of the river.
With their entire team there.
And with Earth Spirit and Puck silences to stop Time Lapse.
Pudge was in the river and his spells were on cooldown.
And all that song did was give us time to get the whole team there.
Undying and I were confused, but we walk to the edge of the river and wait for song to turn off, and when it does...
Calldown. Tombstone. Shadow Wave. With all those zombies. Flak Cannon.
They died. A lot. 5 for zero on what should have been a single or double kill going their way, and then we took two towers.
To anyone on that team, I'm so sorry that person picked Naga. But damn was it funny
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Ugh, had my first truly awful game of ranked matchmaking...(most games have been either decent quality, with a few really great, close ones)
CD mode, timer on captain runs out, it picks me...great, guess it's time to try my first time drafting
rest of team starts groaning, of course, they're a non English-speaking 4 stack
ask for recommendations, get told to first pick Spirit Breaker and Centaur....then someone reasonable suggests Beastmaster and Puck. I figure we're missing a hard support so I pick Dazzle...get yelled at for not picking another carry like....sniper....
Their actually reasonable team of Omni, WR, DS, SF, Naix rolls us once we get to late game because of excessive diving and feeding. I finish the game on Puck with least deaths and only positive KDA on the team....and get flamed for bad picks.
-Why flame someone for picks when your 4 stack refused to take the captain spot???
-Why flame someone for picks when they asked for advice, and took your own shitty suggestions???
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this is so fucked up when i watch like 1437 stream it seems to work fine for him why do i always get fucking imbeciles with 1k lower rating
this is so ridiculously annoying wtf
i seriously wonder how valve can justify pairing up a rating disparity of over 1000
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Maybe someone was playing with his lower ranked friend
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