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Please remember that while this thread is for QQ and venting about the game, racism is not tolerated here on LD.
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-26 22:33:35
November 26 2013 21:38 GMT
#16801
On November 25 2013 20:28 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 16:36 iokke wrote:
I've qqed here about my Warlock games before, saying i feel like I'm cursed with that hero. Basically I feel like I play him well enough to get at least 50% win ratio but I'm 3-9 with him.


I know what you mean. I have a couple of heroes that it seems that no matter what I do or how well I play my team manages to lose the game. Puck is one of them (I'm 2-11 on Puck despite the fact I feel I've never felt I played that badly). Necro another (3-9).

I have heroes that I'm clearly very, very weak on; so its not just "oh you're playing worse than you think". I just flat out cannot play Batrider for example, I think I've had one good game in 11 with him. But those two just...never work out for me, no matter how well or badly I do its always down to whether or not my team feeds.


Show nested quote +
to be fair, one thing I do need to work on is casting fatal bonds. I get so much tunnel vision abouting ult, refersher, ult, I forget about that awesome spell=/. Also I heard that fatal bonds stack, is that true? As in fatal bonds, refersher, fatal?


I think they do, yes. You want to bonds > ult > refresh > bonds > ult ideally.


Thanks, ill work on that.
In all fairness though I have heroes that im terrible with but good win rate. Think I used to be 5-0 on Medusa though im bad with her, another one was WD or ss. Guess its bound to happen with that many heroes
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
StaraCroft
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria292 Posts
November 26 2013 22:29 GMT
#16802
Is it possible that commendations counteract reports?
I just played with a guy who demanded to go mid pudge after the first wave spawned, was overtly racist and cursed at the entire team. He has 700 games and ~150 commendations. That is really only possible if his party commends him every game he plays. Either it was a fluke and he just got out of low priority and about to go back in it, or do commendations actually stop you from going into low priority?
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
November 26 2013 22:31 GMT
#16803
On November 27 2013 07:29 StaraCroft wrote:
Is it possible that commendations counteract reports?
I just played with a guy who demanded to go mid pudge after the first wave spawned, was overtly racist and cursed at the entire team. He has 700 games and ~150 commendations. That is really only possible if his party commends him every game he plays. Either it was a fluke and he just got out of low priority and about to go back in it, or do commendations actually stop you from going into low priority?

He could have commends from when you could do it outside the game, and commend trading in channels was common.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8278 Posts
November 26 2013 22:38 GMT
#16804
On November 27 2013 06:25 tjuggx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 05:24 Excludos wrote:
On November 27 2013 05:20 tjuggx wrote:
Does anyone else feel MM games are only splitpushing competitions ? I mean every game has a furion / brood / <insert any good pusher> in it.


This is mostly a problem in the lower divisions where people don't know how to stop it. Also, Spirit Breaker counters most splitpushing strategies, especially furion.


'Lower divisions' ...


I'm sorry. I clearly labeled that in such a way that its impossible to understand what I meant. What I meant to say was "In games where mmr is low enough for the game to be placed in medium or high bracket"..

On November 27 2013 06:11 peidongyang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 05:24 Excludos wrote:
On November 27 2013 05:20 tjuggx wrote:
Does anyone else feel MM games are only splitpushing competitions ? I mean every game has a furion / brood / <insert any good pusher> in it.


This is mostly a problem in the lower divisions where people don't know how to stop it. Also, Spirit Breaker counters most splitpushing strategies, especially furion.

lol what

spirit breaker is good against furion but since when does sb stop pushes...


Not to be a downer, but the fact that you have to ask that shows just the problem splitpushing provides in the lower brackets. One of the caracteristics of splitpushers is that they aren't very good in 1v1, not until they get somekind of critical item that lets them (for furion, thats a sheep stick). They usually survive off jumping in, clear a wave, and jumping out. The reason Spirit Breaker is so good against this is that he, on the other hand, man handles most people 1v1 until fairly late in the game. At the very least if he doesn't get the kill it does stop their immediate push, and you are now there to push it back. Since he also doesn't lose his target when they tp, blink or shadow blade away, it makes it very hard for splitpushers to do their job.

That said. Bara in his current state doesn't go very well into the lategame. You can snowball off of him, but chances are you are you're not going to be able to do much once he geets his sheepstick + one dmg item. Especially once that BkB starts wearing down. At this point you just have to hope you've done enough for the team to capitalize on and bring you to victory.
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-26 23:38:52
November 26 2013 23:38 GMT
#16805
My hard carry misses a lot of last hits.
A few seconds later, he stops farming...

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/720870441734708896/22DB741B24DDF69A1A54985CAC7B9ABE721059BA/

Really?

Game went to 50 minutes. When he respawns he goes on the toplane and is completly out of position. We lose.
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
November 27 2013 02:33 GMT
#16806
Fucking Drow. Slows you, then murders you with her auto attacks. If you can right-click, you can play Drow. Same with sniper. BS Heroes.
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
November 27 2013 02:46 GMT
#16807
On November 27 2013 11:33 Solar424 wrote:
Fucking Drow. Slows you, then murders you with her auto attacks. If you can right-click, you can play Drow. Same with sniper. BS Heroes.


Extremely squishy heroes with no escape and pretty bad laning. Play another month before complaining, they're nowhere near as bad as you think.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 03:00:42
November 27 2013 03:00 GMT
#16808
On November 27 2013 11:33 Solar424 wrote:
Fucking Drow. Slows you, then murders you with her auto attacks. If you can right-click, you can play Drow. Same with sniper. BS Heroes.


Against Drow in particular, any flavor of illusions or hard disable wrecks her. She can stand and kite 1 person, but even with a fast BKB, she's a sniper without the range. Very dependent on harassing the lane opponent with orb spam and having a team to defend.
We CAN have nice things
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
November 27 2013 04:20 GMT
#16809
Ursa demanding mid over Viper is a legitimate QQ right?
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
SolarFlare93
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia301 Posts
November 27 2013 04:36 GMT
#16810
On November 27 2013 08:38 HammerKick wrote:
My hard carry misses a lot of last hits.
A few seconds later, he stops farming...

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/720870441734708896/22DB741B24DDF69A1A54985CAC7B9ABE721059BA/

Really?

Game went to 50 minutes. When he respawns he goes on the toplane and is completly out of position. We lose.


I had a roaming Antimage in a game once... with a very very safe lane... Same game where Bristleback decided to right click a hero, drag the creep agro into a small opening between trees which I was trying to use to escape as Windranger using windrun from pudge after he hooked me... I know how you feel
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 27 2013 05:15 GMT
#16811
On November 27 2013 13:20 DavoS wrote:
Ursa demanding mid over Viper is a legitimate QQ right?

"demanding mid" is always legitimate qq, but ursa does wreck a lot of mids. depends on the matchup, of course.
:)
Eriksen
Profile Joined December 2012
Micronesia720 Posts
November 27 2013 05:19 GMT
#16812
On November 26 2013 21:44 Jinsho wrote:
"I stayed in the fountain crying about team members and got placed into LPQ?? so unfair"


Hello, what's your problem?
Whether it has ended with a happy ending or sad, I never was an important thing to you.
tjuggx
Profile Joined March 2011
114 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 06:02:50
November 27 2013 06:02 GMT
#16813
tjuggx
Profile Joined March 2011
114 Posts
November 27 2013 06:04 GMT
#16814
On November 27 2013 07:38 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 06:25 tjuggx wrote:
On November 27 2013 05:24 Excludos wrote:
On November 27 2013 05:20 tjuggx wrote:
Does anyone else feel MM games are only splitpushing competitions ? I mean every game has a furion / brood / <insert any good pusher> in it.


This is mostly a problem in the lower divisions where people don't know how to stop it. Also, Spirit Breaker counters most splitpushing strategies, especially furion.


'Lower divisions' ...


I'm sorry. I clearly labeled that in such a way that its impossible to understand what I meant. What I meant to say was "In games where mmr is low enough for the game to be placed in medium or high bracket"..

Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 06:11 peidongyang wrote:
On November 27 2013 05:24 Excludos wrote:
On November 27 2013 05:20 tjuggx wrote:
Does anyone else feel MM games are only splitpushing competitions ? I mean every game has a furion / brood / <insert any good pusher> in it.


This is mostly a problem in the lower divisions where people don't know how to stop it. Also, Spirit Breaker counters most splitpushing strategies, especially furion.

lol what

spirit breaker is good against furion but since when does sb stop pushes...


Not to be a downer, but the fact that you have to ask that shows just the problem splitpushing provides in the lower brackets. One of the caracteristics of splitpushers is that they aren't very good in 1v1, not until they get somekind of critical item that lets them (for furion, thats a sheep stick). They usually survive off jumping in, clear a wave, and jumping out. The reason Spirit Breaker is so good against this is that he, on the other hand, man handles most people 1v1 until fairly late in the game. At the very least if he doesn't get the kill it does stop their immediate push, and you are now there to push it back. Since he also doesn't lose his target when they tp, blink or shadow blade away, it makes it very hard for splitpushers to do their job.

That said. Bara in his current state doesn't go very well into the lategame. You can snowball off of him, but chances are you are you're not going to be able to do much once he geets his sheepstick + one dmg item. Especially once that BkB starts wearing down. At this point you just have to hope you've done enough for the team to capitalize on and bring you to victory.


Come on you elitist piece of shit, I guess i wouldnt by crying here about splitpushing if i was playing in some shit tier ? Im sure in your 'god' tier splitpushing is a non existent problem.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
November 27 2013 06:06 GMT
#16815
somebody's mad!
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tjuggx
Profile Joined March 2011
114 Posts
November 27 2013 06:10 GMT
#16816
On November 27 2013 15:06 icystorage wrote:
somebody's mad!


Im not really mad but I can't understand why this dude joins the QQ thread to come talk about this pick spirit breaker every game l2p get to higher tier bullshit.

http://dotabuff.com/players/9091492

I mean im not some dota genious but im pretty sure I havent played in some 'low' tier for a very very very long time
CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 06:41:09
November 27 2013 06:40 GMT
#16817
This isn't a QQ on my team but myself haha. I as gyro went full build then sold some shit and bought 2 rapier channeling my inner XBOCT. Proceeded at 60 min to drop them both to a team we were mauling and they almost counter pushed and won. Luckly a little while later we got a really good fight against there bad team comp and i got 1 back and we won haha. I had nothing after I dropped them just phase boots a bkb and a helm of the dominator. My team was raging so hard haha I would have been too just thought that was funny.
crimsonSoldier
Profile Joined August 2013
147 Posts
November 27 2013 07:30 GMT
#16818
If you're raging or butthurting over some losses, just play some Furion to feel better about yourselves...
My Name is Legion, is Abaddon, is Lucifer, eater of souls.
harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
November 27 2013 07:42 GMT
#16819
On November 27 2013 15:10 tjuggx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 15:06 icystorage wrote:
somebody's mad!


Im not really mad but I can't understand why this dude joins the QQ thread to come talk about this pick spirit breaker every game l2p get to higher tier bullshit.

http://dotabuff.com/players/9091492

I mean im not some dota genious but im pretty sure I havent played in some 'low' tier for a very very very long time


Hey! While I know that you're not asking for advice I'd like to throw out my 2 cents anyway.

Watching your own replays can be amazing for improving, but often not that useful unless you know what you're looking for. In general, and I say this as someone most likely beneath you, watching replays to recognize specific timings on your hero really helps you maximize your game impact as there is never just one mistake or one area that anyone can improve upon. I often think of DotA replay watching being comparable to SC2.

In SC2 a lot of builds and timings are done to maximize your damage potential compared to your opponents ability to hold it. One specific DotA example would be bounty hunter. Its pretty commonly accepted that maxing shuriken first to maximize your burst damage to get quick kills is the best way to skill (in general).

Watching your own replays and finding times where instead of farming you could have obtained a kill, or pushed a tower, or whatever else can often inspire you to make better decisions in future games. Just recently I've rushed out 20 or so bristleback games to get a better feel on his strengths and what works on him and what doesn't. At first I was utterly useless but after watching a few of my own replays I feel that I've gotten much better at making a positive impact with him.

Anyway good luck and I hope this helps!
Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
Daaktard
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden380 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 07:54:31
November 27 2013 07:50 GMT
#16820
On November 27 2013 16:30 crimsonSoldier wrote:
If you're raging or butthurting over some losses, just play some Furion to feel better about yourselves...


Last time i played furion it was pl + furion splitpushing against a wombocombo team... our other 3 players were more or less irrelevant. 50 min of a-moving necro units.

I dont think i'll ever touch that hero again, at least for some time.

EDIT: some recent qq. I just had a match where our carry jugger ended up having less impact than the enemy void throughout the entire game, despite outlaning him as clock and killing him twice. Even the mirana supporting void early on got more farm. Instead me and our ancientfarming invoker carried it. Go figure.
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