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On July 10 2013 16:28 Belisarius wrote:
I've never seen much point in raging at people for just straight-up being bad at lasthits or whatever. It's not like they're going to go "oh that guy's annoyed at me, I guess I better magically start getting every last hit because I wasn't trying before." Yeah, it's depressing when you end up in an unwinnable game because your am has 1 cs/minute, but it's not like screaming at him will do anything.
Bad decisions, sure. I get annoyed at people for dumb decisions all the time, usually after trying to calmly discuss the decision the first few times it's relevant. Sometimes they change their minds. Sometimes I can at least hope that they might do something different in their next game. If they're just bad at lasthitting or laning or whatever, though, there's nothing they can change in the space of the game, so I don't see much to be gained from yelling at them.
Also, tbh, if I'm an OD against that lineup I think I just give up on life. If he's silenced he's useless, and he's up against bloodrage, word, global and doom. BKB gets him out of a lot of those, sure, but if doom's competent he'll just let someone else silence you and save ult for OD's bkb. OD's also probably going to eat rupture through BKB, so between them they definitely qualify as counters.
The failure in decision is their picking the carry when they can't last hit for anything. The hope isn't that they suddenly start successfully last hitting, the hope is that they either go "Hey maybe I should try a bot game as this hero and see if I can break 500 gpm" or "Hey maybe I shouldn't instant-pick AM within the first 5 seconds, knowing that I won't even farm well if my opponents straight up fail to show to lane.
I mean, I wouldn't advocate standard DotA flaming in any situation, but letting the guy know he needs to think twice about picking a farming carry definitely isn't a bad idea.
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How to lose against a cheesy (and really bad) dark seer/gondar lane: don't buy a single set of sentries until the 20 minute mark as a support, and somehow let your carry die at level 1 when he has haste
Meanwhile I'm offlane beastmaster and I'm against void/treant, so I auto lose.
Fun game
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On July 10 2013 16:28 Belisarius wrote:
I've never seen much point in raging at people for just straight-up being bad at lasthits or whatever. It's not like they're going to go "oh that guy's annoyed at me, I guess I better magically start getting every last hit because I wasn't trying before." Yeah, it's depressing when you end up in an unwinnable game because your am has 1 cs/minute, but it's not like screaming at him will do anything.
Bad decisions, sure. I get annoyed at people for dumb decisions all the time, usually after trying to calmly discuss the decision the first few times it's relevant. Sometimes they change their minds. Sometimes I can at least hope that they might do something different in their next game. If they're just bad at lasthitting or laning or whatever, though, there's nothing they can change in the space of the game, so I don't see much to be gained from yelling at them.
Also, tbh, if I'm an OD against that lineup I think I just give up on life. If he's silenced he's useless, and he's up against bloodrage, word, global and doom. BKB gets him out of a lot of those, sure, but if doom's competent he'll just let someone else silence you and save ult for OD's bkb. OD's also probably going to eat rupture through BKB, so between them they definitely qualify as counters.
It's not the fact that they were missing last hits, they NEVER farmed. It was either sit in mid doing fuck all or roaming in their jungle looking for kills.so their tricore lineup ended up with 2 big items ahead on each because apparently THEY knew they needed to farm.
I'm not exaggerating when I say I was the one doomed every teamfight. Silencer was one of those "only pop ult when getting ganked" types.
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On July 10 2013 22:47 anonymitylol wrote:
How to lose against a cheesy (and really bad) dark seer/gondar lane: don't buy a single set of sentries until the 20 minute mark as a support, and somehow let your carry die at level 1 when he has haste
Meanwhile I'm offlane beastmaster and I'm against void/treant, so I auto lose.
Fun game
? That sounds like the easiest lane ever why would u auto lose it lol
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On July 10 2013 23:01 Ryrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:47 anonymitylol wrote:
How to lose against a cheesy (and really bad) dark seer/gondar lane: don't buy a single set of sentries until the 20 minute mark as a support, and somehow let your carry die at level 1 when he has haste
Meanwhile I'm offlane beastmaster and I'm against void/treant, so I auto lose.
Fun game ? That sounds like the easiest lane ever why would u auto lose it lol
I don't mean that I lost the lane, I meant the game was an auto loss. There wasn't much I could do to stop void from farming, because our top lane lost so hard and nobody could leave their lanes to gank.
I was doing fine until their Gondar had 10 kills at the 15-minute mark, and they just started killing everybody on the map
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On July 10 2013 23:04 anonymitylol wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 23:01 Ryrmidon wrote:On July 10 2013 22:47 anonymitylol wrote:
How to lose against a cheesy (and really bad) dark seer/gondar lane: don't buy a single set of sentries until the 20 minute mark as a support, and somehow let your carry die at level 1 when he has haste
Meanwhile I'm offlane beastmaster and I'm against void/treant, so I auto lose.
Fun game ? That sounds like the easiest lane ever why would u auto lose it lol I don't mean that I lost the lane, I meant the game was an auto loss. There wasn't much I could do to stop void from farming, because our top lane lost so hard and nobody could leave their lanes to gank. I was doing fine until their Gondar had 10 kills at the 15-minute mark, and they just started killing everybody on the map
Well, the tradeoff to having a jungle in pubs is that the opponent's safelane is almost always gonna free farm.
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On July 10 2013 23:14 Ryrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 23:04 anonymitylol wrote:On July 10 2013 23:01 Ryrmidon wrote:On July 10 2013 22:47 anonymitylol wrote:
How to lose against a cheesy (and really bad) dark seer/gondar lane: don't buy a single set of sentries until the 20 minute mark as a support, and somehow let your carry die at level 1 when he has haste
Meanwhile I'm offlane beastmaster and I'm against void/treant, so I auto lose.
Fun game ? That sounds like the easiest lane ever why would u auto lose it lol I don't mean that I lost the lane, I meant the game was an auto loss. There wasn't much I could do to stop void from farming, because our top lane lost so hard and nobody could leave their lanes to gank. I was doing fine until their Gondar had 10 kills at the 15-minute mark, and they just started killing everybody on the map Well, the tradeoff to having a jungle in pubs is that the opponent's safelane is almost always gonna free farm.
I wasn't in the jungle, I was sitting bottom spamming axes to stack ancients and harass Void.
We had me (beastmaster) in the offlane, and Doom in our jungle. The Rubick/Sniper lost to DS/Gondar, and Puck went about even vs QoP, maybe won slightly.
Doom kept staying in the jungle with low HP and dying to Gondar who already had a few free kills from Sniper and Rubick, even without Void in that game we would've lost, just because of the sheer amount of track gold Gondar got. Void didn't really do anything until they had already killed our mid rax, nor did he need to.
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On July 10 2013 23:28 anonymitylol wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 23:14 Ryrmidon wrote:On July 10 2013 23:04 anonymitylol wrote:On July 10 2013 23:01 Ryrmidon wrote:On July 10 2013 22:47 anonymitylol wrote:
How to lose against a cheesy (and really bad) dark seer/gondar lane: don't buy a single set of sentries until the 20 minute mark as a support, and somehow let your carry die at level 1 when he has haste
Meanwhile I'm offlane beastmaster and I'm against void/treant, so I auto lose.
Fun game ? That sounds like the easiest lane ever why would u auto lose it lol I don't mean that I lost the lane, I meant the game was an auto loss. There wasn't much I could do to stop void from farming, because our top lane lost so hard and nobody could leave their lanes to gank. I was doing fine until their Gondar had 10 kills at the 15-minute mark, and they just started killing everybody on the map Well, the tradeoff to having a jungle in pubs is that the opponent's safelane is almost always gonna free farm. I wasn't in the jungle, I was sitting bottom spamming axes to stack ancients and harass Void. We had me (beastmaster) in the offlane, and Doom in our jungle. The Rubick/Sniper lost to DS/Gondar, and Puck went about even vs QoP, maybe won slightly. Doom kept staying in the jungle with low HP and dying to Gondar who already had a few free kills from Sniper and Rubick, even without Void in that game we would've lost, just because of the sheer amount of track gold Gondar got. Void didn't really do anything until they had already killed our mid rax, nor did he need to.
Thats wat I meant... if your team has a jungler then you have to accept the offlane is just there to survive, and hope the extra income you guys get from the jungle will compensate later on, although in your teams position rubick / sniper should have gone top and you should have soloed safelane imo. Sniper is free food to DS / BH even without a treant using living armor on their dives
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On July 10 2013 23:35 Ryrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 23:28 anonymitylol wrote:On July 10 2013 23:14 Ryrmidon wrote:On July 10 2013 23:04 anonymitylol wrote:On July 10 2013 23:01 Ryrmidon wrote:On July 10 2013 22:47 anonymitylol wrote:
How to lose against a cheesy (and really bad) dark seer/gondar lane: don't buy a single set of sentries until the 20 minute mark as a support, and somehow let your carry die at level 1 when he has haste
Meanwhile I'm offlane beastmaster and I'm against void/treant, so I auto lose.
Fun game ? That sounds like the easiest lane ever why would u auto lose it lol I don't mean that I lost the lane, I meant the game was an auto loss. There wasn't much I could do to stop void from farming, because our top lane lost so hard and nobody could leave their lanes to gank. I was doing fine until their Gondar had 10 kills at the 15-minute mark, and they just started killing everybody on the map Well, the tradeoff to having a jungle in pubs is that the opponent's safelane is almost always gonna free farm. I wasn't in the jungle, I was sitting bottom spamming axes to stack ancients and harass Void. We had me (beastmaster) in the offlane, and Doom in our jungle. The Rubick/Sniper lost to DS/Gondar, and Puck went about even vs QoP, maybe won slightly. Doom kept staying in the jungle with low HP and dying to Gondar who already had a few free kills from Sniper and Rubick, even without Void in that game we would've lost, just because of the sheer amount of track gold Gondar got. Void didn't really do anything until they had already killed our mid rax, nor did he need to. Thats wat I meant... if your team has a jungler then you have to accept the offlane is just there to survive, and hope the extra income you guys get from the jungle will compensate later on, although in your teams position rubick / sniper should have gone top and you should have soloed safelane imo.
I know what the offlane's purpose is, I had 0 deaths at the 10 minute mark, and was the same level as our mid throughout the game
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Nyx assassin is so retarded. I destroyed him mid 1v1, I killed him solo, I killed his courier. But still he raped all our team by himself. My networth wat 3 times his but he could still kill me solo 1v1. What a fucking retarded hero.
Funny thing is I instalocked storm and they counterpicked me instantly with Nyx and OD. 1 mana burn would take away almsot half of my health late game. They also flamed us thinking they were good. lol.
edit: Great, now I pick Invoker and a dude on the other team instalocks Silencer. What the fuck...
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On July 10 2013 23:37 BlitzerSC wrote:
Nyx assassin is so retarded. I destroyed him mid 1v1, I killed him solo, I killed his courier. But still he raped all our team by himself. My networth wat 3 times his but he could still kill me solo 1v1. What a fucking retarded hero.
Funny thing is I instalocked storm and they counterpicked me instantly with Nyx and OD. 1 mana burn would take away almsot half of my health late game. They also flamed us thinking they were good. lol.
edit: Great, now I pick Invoker and a dude on the other team instalocks Silencer. What the fuck...
Sounds more like yourself weren't going for any HP and your team just fed him?
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On July 10 2013 23:48 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 23:37 BlitzerSC wrote:
Nyx assassin is so retarded. I destroyed him mid 1v1, I killed him solo, I killed his courier. But still he raped all our team by himself. My networth wat 3 times his but he could still kill me solo 1v1. What a fucking retarded hero.
Funny thing is I instalocked storm and they counterpicked me instantly with Nyx and OD. 1 mana burn would take away almsot half of my health late game. They also flamed us thinking they were good. lol.
edit: Great, now I pick Invoker and a dude on the other team instalocks Silencer. What the fuck... Sounds more like yourself weren't going for any HP and your team just fed him?
Well yeah my team fed a lot and I had a decent amount of HP thanks to BKB and high level, but Nyx mana burn just kills every int hero that has item. It's just a retarded skill. I pretty much get punished for being a int hero and having a lot of int items.
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Phantom Lancer is fucking ridiculous in public games where people picks whatever hero they feel like playing. If you have no good gangers or anti-pushers, you might as well stay in base and give up.
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I got into LP in the first time, because I abandon in multi coop bot games that we handily winning 4 vs 5. And it is not like I really want to abandon. Ping: 1000 and Packet Loss >50%? Are you serious? I guess it is time to quit playing dota 2 for a while. And I didn't even abandon. I just can't move that the system thought that I am AFK-ing too much.
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I'm the bane here.
Got paired with a russian 4 stack, never speaking any english word...
So no coordination, and even if I didn't always have wards up, or tp'd in fights (only so much you can do as the only support...), I still manage to get more gpm than the alchemist...
Our tusk got his 1st last hit after like 5 minutes in the game, mostly just sitting behind the lane, our bot lane weav + alch went both fot basilus, and i'm not even sure they turned them off...
As for the centaur, he was our last pick, and the idea of picking either a good mid or a 2nd support didn't seem to cross his mind....
I know i should get more win to be paired with better people, but games like that don't give me much motivation...
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I dc'ed (I was tidehunter) and they kept unpausing when my friends paused so they managed to batter down our t2 mid, t3 mid and mid rax.
Then when I tped in to save bot later I got stuck selecting courier, so couldn't ulti the 5 of them.
-.-
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On July 10 2013 23:37 BlitzerSC wrote:
edit: Great, now I pick Invoker and a dude on the other team instalocks Silencer. What the fuck...
Same shit over here. That was a depressing match
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i just wish people would listen. if someone says back, he will back and youll be alone so you might aswell go back even if you dont want to. and if someone tells you not to tp on the tower that has four people attacking it, dont tp to it.
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In a pub, pick AM, get partnered with BH safe lane. Suggests he go top (hard lane). His response: maybe you should go top, you have blink. Can't even bother to reply...
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people who pick bloodseeker, doom, sniper and weaver and complain when we have no chance.
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