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On July 03 2013 09:37 Animzor wrote:
Jakiro: "dont touch my camp"
Lycan: "?"
Jakiro: "ok, your own fault"
Jakiro proceeds to farm the bot lane, sits at 4000 gold, buys shadow blade, keeps farming, buys mjollnir and a bunch of other shit, meanwhile the rest of the team is fighting the good fight, unfortunately Jakiro will not join us. Because Lycan killed "his" creep camp.
yeah
i'm sorry but it totally worth it
I'm a support player, i let all xp to the carry, prevent him for gank and let him kill opponent, i'm level 4 hes level 8, i stack a camp 3 time to get my level 6 AND THE GOLD FOR MY BOOTS and here comes the carry stealing all those shit
fuck you man, support need some money too. 
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On July 03 2013 17:51 VelJa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 09:37 Animzor wrote:
Jakiro: "dont touch my camp"
Lycan: "?"
Jakiro: "ok, your own fault"
Jakiro proceeds to farm the bot lane, sits at 4000 gold, buys shadow blade, keeps farming, buys mjollnir and a bunch of other shit, meanwhile the rest of the team is fighting the good fight, unfortunately Jakiro will not join us. Because Lycan killed "his" creep camp. yeah i'm sorry but it totally worth it I'm a support player, i let all xp to the carry, prevent him for gank and let him kill opponent, i'm level 4 hes level 8, i stack a camp 3 time to get my level 6 AND THE GOLD FOR MY BOOTS and here comes the carry stealing all those shit fuck you man, support need some money too.
Very mature to destroy a game for 4 (or potentially 9) people just because you didn't get your brown boots. As support.
You know, as a support, you should stack camps for your carries. Totally legit for Lycan to come and claim those camps.
Maybe you should read up on some basic dota 2.
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On July 03 2013 15:40 negon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 08:49 BurningSera wrote:omfg played the best NS game of my life and it wasn't recorded. holy steam server wow. + Show Spoiler +BurningSera, bringing the alternative QQ to QQ thread. I was the ES there. You fucking owned, dude. Shame yo.
LOL 'Well played!' is all i can say, we made some sickass combos, good teamwork. And if you noticed that i bought fly cour/ward/detection (it was really manageable because killing the SF + farming lion/rubick > getting my items at that stage, our hope was sven getting his items anyway), doing my best to win the goddamn game, and that 40mins Vlad so sven can survive longer lol
But yet i am muted. Clearly Valve knows the game better.
On July 03 2013 15:24 739 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 08:49 BurningSera wrote:omfg played the best NS game of my life and it wasn't recorded. holy steam server wow. + Show Spoiler +BurningSera, bringing the alternative QQ to QQ thread. No russian Weaver on the board? T_T
Jesus, game was over even though he was feeding insanely earlier but nope, he went derping around so we can lose it. Brain. We will do one again to wipe that shitty memory >_<
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On July 03 2013 18:02 TOCHMY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 17:51 VelJa wrote:On July 03 2013 09:37 Animzor wrote:
Jakiro: "dont touch my camp"
Lycan: "?"
Jakiro: "ok, your own fault"
Jakiro proceeds to farm the bot lane, sits at 4000 gold, buys shadow blade, keeps farming, buys mjollnir and a bunch of other shit, meanwhile the rest of the team is fighting the good fight, unfortunately Jakiro will not join us. Because Lycan killed "his" creep camp. yeah i'm sorry but it totally worth it I'm a support player, i let all xp to the carry, prevent him for gank and let him kill opponent, i'm level 4 hes level 8, i stack a camp 3 time to get my level 6 AND THE GOLD FOR MY BOOTS and here comes the carry stealing all those shit fuck you man, support need some money too. Very mature to destroy a game for 4 (or potentially 9) people just because you didn't get your brown boots. As support. You know, as a support, you should stack camps for your carries. Totally legit for Lycan to come and claim those camps. Maybe you should read up on some basic dota 2.
i don't mean that i would destroy a game, but this is bad play to steal a stack of a support
U're totally wrong here. Stack hardcamp for support. yeah this is normal and needed
Stealing a stack of you support is a bad play by a carry. a BAD play. support need some money.
Maybe you should read up on some basic dota 2
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On July 03 2013 18:26 VelJa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 18:02 TOCHMY wrote:On July 03 2013 17:51 VelJa wrote:On July 03 2013 09:37 Animzor wrote:
Jakiro: "dont touch my camp"
Lycan: "?"
Jakiro: "ok, your own fault"
Jakiro proceeds to farm the bot lane, sits at 4000 gold, buys shadow blade, keeps farming, buys mjollnir and a bunch of other shit, meanwhile the rest of the team is fighting the good fight, unfortunately Jakiro will not join us. Because Lycan killed "his" creep camp. yeah i'm sorry but it totally worth it I'm a support player, i let all xp to the carry, prevent him for gank and let him kill opponent, i'm level 4 hes level 8, i stack a camp 3 time to get my level 6 AND THE GOLD FOR MY BOOTS and here comes the carry stealing all those shit fuck you man, support need some money too. Very mature to destroy a game for 4 (or potentially 9) people just because you didn't get your brown boots. As support. You know, as a support, you should stack camps for your carries. Totally legit for Lycan to come and claim those camps. Maybe you should read up on some basic dota 2. i don't mean that i would destroy a game, but this is bad play to steal a stack of a support U're totally wrong here. Stack hardcamp for support. yeah this is normal and needed Stealing a stack of you support is a bad play by a carry. a BAD play. support need some money. Maybe you should read up on some basic dota 2
I can see that it is bad to steal the pullcamp as a carry since the pullcamp, if pulled, can deny a whole wave from the enemy as well as give the support some xp and money.
BUt really now. What are you going to do with those boots on jakiro? Get to the wardspot quicker so that you can ward 5 seconds faster? What is Lycan gonna do with the gold he gets? Finish medallion/Vladimir faster so he can solo rosh and then push towers with aegis.
Ask yourself which of those 2 your team would benefit more from.
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On July 03 2013 18:32 TOCHMY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 18:26 VelJa wrote:On July 03 2013 18:02 TOCHMY wrote:On July 03 2013 17:51 VelJa wrote:On July 03 2013 09:37 Animzor wrote:
Jakiro: "dont touch my camp"
Lycan: "?"
Jakiro: "ok, your own fault"
Jakiro proceeds to farm the bot lane, sits at 4000 gold, buys shadow blade, keeps farming, buys mjollnir and a bunch of other shit, meanwhile the rest of the team is fighting the good fight, unfortunately Jakiro will not join us. Because Lycan killed "his" creep camp. yeah i'm sorry but it totally worth it I'm a support player, i let all xp to the carry, prevent him for gank and let him kill opponent, i'm level 4 hes level 8, i stack a camp 3 time to get my level 6 AND THE GOLD FOR MY BOOTS and here comes the carry stealing all those shit fuck you man, support need some money too. Very mature to destroy a game for 4 (or potentially 9) people just because you didn't get your brown boots. As support. You know, as a support, you should stack camps for your carries. Totally legit for Lycan to come and claim those camps. Maybe you should read up on some basic dota 2. i don't mean that i would destroy a game, but this is bad play to steal a stack of a support U're totally wrong here. Stack hardcamp for support. yeah this is normal and needed Stealing a stack of you support is a bad play by a carry. a BAD play. support need some money. Maybe you should read up on some basic dota 2 I can see that it is bad to steal the pullcamp as a carry since the pullcamp, if pulled, can deny a whole wave from the enemy as well as give the support some xp and money. BUt really now. What are you going to do with those boots on jakiro? Get to the wardspot quicker so that you can ward 5 seconds faster? What is Lycan gonna do with the gold he gets? Finish medallion/Vladimir faster so he can solo rosh and then push towers with aegis. Ask yourself which of those 2 your team would benefit more from.
jakiro is such a positional hero that his spells will be much less likely to hit if he has no boots, and he is much more like to feed at the same time.. so yeah, let the support get some items too, it's better for the team. I've had so many games where a carry comes and fucks up a pull/stack or steals the camp. Totally legit QQ in my opinion
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this is not the question man
The question is, when you stack a camp for yourself, it's because un NEED it
It's one camp, only one, there is 5 camps in jungle, 5 !!
I say brown boots, but it can be upgrade sheep / wards / dust / smoke / tp / regen for the carry / anything else
The lycan who is farming woods get his gold 1 min later. Not the case of the support.
It's just that afk jungle who wants gold cuz he can't lasthit correctly, has no idea of how hard it is to play support, and just want to see big red numbers when he attack so "Yay, camp stack"
yeah u get it now ?
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On July 03 2013 18:37 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 18:32 TOCHMY wrote:On July 03 2013 18:26 VelJa wrote:On July 03 2013 18:02 TOCHMY wrote:On July 03 2013 17:51 VelJa wrote:On July 03 2013 09:37 Animzor wrote:
Jakiro: "dont touch my camp"
Lycan: "?"
Jakiro: "ok, your own fault"
Jakiro proceeds to farm the bot lane, sits at 4000 gold, buys shadow blade, keeps farming, buys mjollnir and a bunch of other shit, meanwhile the rest of the team is fighting the good fight, unfortunately Jakiro will not join us. Because Lycan killed "his" creep camp. yeah i'm sorry but it totally worth it I'm a support player, i let all xp to the carry, prevent him for gank and let him kill opponent, i'm level 4 hes level 8, i stack a camp 3 time to get my level 6 AND THE GOLD FOR MY BOOTS and here comes the carry stealing all those shit fuck you man, support need some money too. Very mature to destroy a game for 4 (or potentially 9) people just because you didn't get your brown boots. As support. You know, as a support, you should stack camps for your carries. Totally legit for Lycan to come and claim those camps. Maybe you should read up on some basic dota 2. i don't mean that i would destroy a game, but this is bad play to steal a stack of a support U're totally wrong here. Stack hardcamp for support. yeah this is normal and needed Stealing a stack of you support is a bad play by a carry. a BAD play. support need some money. Maybe you should read up on some basic dota 2 I can see that it is bad to steal the pullcamp as a carry since the pullcamp, if pulled, can deny a whole wave from the enemy as well as give the support some xp and money. BUt really now. What are you going to do with those boots on jakiro? Get to the wardspot quicker so that you can ward 5 seconds faster? What is Lycan gonna do with the gold he gets? Finish medallion/Vladimir faster so he can solo rosh and then push towers with aegis. Ask yourself which of those 2 your team would benefit more from. jakiro is such a positional hero that his spells will be much less likely to hit if he has no boots, and he is much more like to feed at the same time.. so yeah, let the support get some items too, it's better for the team. I've had so many games where a carry comes and fucks up a pull/stack or steals the camp. Totally legit QQ in my opinion
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Yes, I know of Jakiro. And if you NEED boots to be able to hit your spells, then you're doing it wrong. But that's not the point here.
My point being, let the carries farm. It's NICE to get farm on support but 9/10 times I'd give my carry the farm instead. The 1/10 being when my carry can't last hit even if his life depended on it.
EDIT: Either way, if he stole that one camp or not. It doesn't justify Jakiro going Shadowblade and refuse to help the team. That's just childish kindergarden bullshit. "If you don't give me that blue pencil you are not invited to my birthday party"
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Tochmy, i'm ok with you. This dont deserve ruining a game.
But, it pisses me off.
And that stack camp is the 1/10 case man. Cuz u deny and harass opponent carry all the 5 first minutes of the game.
nvm !
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Is this really an argument? Boots are important, and taking the pull camps from a support is douchy. I dont agree with ruining the game because of it, but it annoys me too when the carry player does that because "ur support, u dont need money "
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On July 03 2013 18:56 Ryrmidon wrote:
Is this really an argument? Boots are important, and taking the pull camps from a support is douchy. I dont agree with ruining the game because of it, but it annoys me too when the carry player does that because "ur support, u dont need money "
Well we don't know if it was the pull camp or not. But you don't really need boots on Jakiro so fast that you definately NEED that stacked camp RIGHT NOW. I mean his ice path can hit from miles away.
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I was not talking about jakiro and Lycan.
I was talking in general.
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whenever I pick any carry I end up 1v2 in lane with all our other lanes feeding and me not being able to do anything because I dont have any space to farm
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On July 03 2013 18:58 TOCHMY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 18:56 Ryrmidon wrote:
Is this really an argument? Boots are important, and taking the pull camps from a support is douchy. I dont agree with ruining the game because of it, but it annoys me too when the carry player does that because "ur support, u dont need money " Well we don't know if it was the pull camp or not. But you don't really need boots on Jakiro so fast that you definately NEED that stacked camp RIGHT NOW. I mean his ice path can hit from miles away.
Have you ever actually played support? You need boots to have the ability to roam, to survive vs ganks / tower dives, not to mention trying to zone out the opponent for your carry to farm becomes 10 times more dangerous when you move way slower than them. Jakiro specifically has one of the lowest base movement speeds in the game. "You don't need boots because ice path has long range" sounds really dumb.
As a carry you're already getting 100% of the lane farm, which a support is usually going out of their way to help you ensure. As lycan you also have access to every other jungle camp early in the game. The pull camp is literally the only way for a support to make money in the early game, stealing it fucks you way more than it helps the carry.
If the carry's having a rough time in lane then support should give away the camps, but otherwise it's really annoying. I don't go as far as to instantly ruin the game, but if someone starts stealing my pull camp I warn them that I'm not gonna bother buying wards / flying couri / detection for the team if they don't stop.
edit: obviously it was the pull camp...how does Jakiro farm any other camp early game (unless you think easy camps worth fighting over)
Also QQ: Played Warlock, positioned myself horribly in one of the games most deciding fights, got initiated on by Magnus and killed before I could get Aghs + Refresher orb ulti off. My team ended up getting wiped and losing rax. No more 2am dota for me : (
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On July 03 2013 19:12 Ryrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 18:58 TOCHMY wrote:On July 03 2013 18:56 Ryrmidon wrote:
Is this really an argument? Boots are important, and taking the pull camps from a support is douchy. I dont agree with ruining the game because of it, but it annoys me too when the carry player does that because "ur support, u dont need money " Well we don't know if it was the pull camp or not. But you don't really need boots on Jakiro so fast that you definately NEED that stacked camp RIGHT NOW. I mean his ice path can hit from miles away. Have you ever actually played support? You need boots to have the ability to roam, to survive vs ganks / tower dives, not to mention trying to zone out the opponent for your carry to farm becomes 10 times more dangerous when you move way slower than them. Jakiro specifically has one of the lowest base movement speeds in the game. "You don't need boots because ice path has long range" sounds really dumb. As a carry you're already getting 100% of the lane farm, which a support is usually going out of their way to help you ensure. As lycan you also have access to every other jungle camp early in the game. The pull camp is literally the only way for a support to make money in the early game, stealing it fucks you way more than it helps the carry. If the carry's having a rough time in lane then support should give away the camps, but otherwise it's really annoying. I don't go as far as to instantly ruin the game, but if someone starts stealing my pull camp I warn them that I'm not gonna bother buying wards / flying couri / detection for the team if they don't stop. edit: obviously it was the pull camp...how does Jakiro farm any other camp early game (unless you think easy camps worth fighting over) Also QQ: Played Warlock, positioned myself horribly in one of the games most deciding fights, got initiated on by Magnus and killed before I could get Aghs + Refresher orb ulti off. My team ended up getting wiped and losing rax. No more 2am dota for me : (
This !
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Had a game yesterday as beastmaster mid against Invoker. We had a bloodseeker but he didn't want mid for whatever reason. So he goes top with (hard lane) with Rubik and do okay I think. I did pretty well myself. So after Rubik gets killed top I was at fountain and decided to easily kill one of the two top heroes as I had lvl 4 axes and ulti up. I run up close to them to Ulti cm who was already low and... BS silences me with bloodrage. He then tells me to gank another lane.
And yeah, from that point on I just lost all motivation. What the fuck is it with some people. Why would you do such a thing. I didn't flame him (was muted anyways) or took away his lane, nothing. For some reason he was just pissed and prevented me from ganking? What the fuck.
There's really nothing more demoralizing than playing a game with a complete asshat as teammate. The guy kept trashtalking everyone, fed and we lost the game after some time. Went on rather long because our bot lane did well early on and so did I mid but yeah, what can you expect with an idiot like that in your team.
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On July 03 2013 19:12 Ryrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 18:58 TOCHMY wrote:On July 03 2013 18:56 Ryrmidon wrote:
Is this really an argument? Boots are important, and taking the pull camps from a support is douchy. I dont agree with ruining the game because of it, but it annoys me too when the carry player does that because "ur support, u dont need money " Well we don't know if it was the pull camp or not. But you don't really need boots on Jakiro so fast that you definately NEED that stacked camp RIGHT NOW. I mean his ice path can hit from miles away. Have you ever actually played support? You need boots to have the ability to roam, to survive vs ganks / tower dives, not to mention trying to zone out the opponent for your carry to farm becomes 10 times more dangerous when you move way slower than them. Jakiro specifically has one of the lowest base movement speeds in the game. "You don't need boots because ice path has long range" sounds really dumb. As a carry you're already getting 100% of the lane farm, which a support is usually going out of their way to help you ensure. As lycan you also have access to every other jungle camp early in the game. The pull camp is literally the only way for a support to make money in the early game, stealing it fucks you way more than it helps the carry. If the carry's having a rough time in lane then support should give away the camps, but otherwise it's really annoying. I don't go as far as to instantly ruin the game, but if someone starts stealing my pull camp I warn them that I'm not gonna bother buying wards / flying couri / detection for the team if they don't stop. edit: obviously it was the pull camp...how does Jakiro farm any other camp early game (unless you think easy camps worth fighting over) Also QQ: Played Warlock, positioned myself horribly in one of the games most deciding fights, got initiated on by Magnus and killed before I could get Aghs + Refresher orb ulti off. My team ended up getting wiped and losing rax. No more 2am dota for me : (
If you read my previous posts you'd know that I agree 100% that the pullcamp should be pulled. And if you read my previous posts you'd see that yes, yes i have actually played support, belive it or not. And Jakiro is by far my best hero.
But I digress, and I concede to you regarding this argument. Let's not clog up the QQ thread anymore.
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1/13 morph with 32 dmg, that doesnt get he cant str morph anymore since he doesnt have any agility.
2/11 QoP that had to go mid
an AM with 25min vanguard
and lastly a juggernaut that manages to die 4 times to a bounty hunter in the first 8min of the game
i love these games
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matchmaking wants me to lose
hell yeah
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On July 03 2013 21:34 Meerel wrote:
matchmaking wants me to lose
hell yeah
I went 20-5 like two weeks ago. Win rate got to almost 53%. MM then makes me lose like 19 of the next 20 by giving me shit teammates and I'm back at 50 and starting to win again  It sucks, but I get it.
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