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On May 20 2013 16:12 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 15:44 sandyph wrote:On May 19 2013 22:29 NeThZOR wrote:
Riki somehow still manages to be strong and annoying in Dota, and it is not just when you play against him - Riki teammates steal all the kills that you work so hard for! In one particular game where I was playing a pub with a friend, our Riki kept on stealing our kills which made it very hard for us to get enough gold to buy items and level up. I was playing Night Stalker, and my initiates always ended up with a Riki steal. The played that played Riki ended up with 22-2 and 2 assists, where my friend and I both had about the same amount of assists as his he kills. That obviously means that he only stole kills and did almost nothing to help in ganks other than performing the killing blow. I had next to none kills which lead to a very bleak inventory for me, and thus I could not tank very well in the late game. Somehow we managed to still win, because Riki was so strong, but it took us much longer than it would if all of our team members had a decent amount of items to work with.
To hell with Riki. Riki is the harder carry compared to NS, its good that he get the farm and kills for the QQ, 3 stack Bara-Pudge-Lesh that goes 3 man dota since minute 0 and picking off pub players one by one. bunch off tryhards, wp though I prefer when stacks does things like this than going for competitive picks.
still getting triple split earth + hook + charge (and any other combination of them) and die without manage to do anything, time and time again sucks 
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On May 20 2013 16:16 sandyph wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 16:12 nojok wrote:On May 20 2013 15:44 sandyph wrote:On May 19 2013 22:29 NeThZOR wrote:
Riki somehow still manages to be strong and annoying in Dota, and it is not just when you play against him - Riki teammates steal all the kills that you work so hard for! In one particular game where I was playing a pub with a friend, our Riki kept on stealing our kills which made it very hard for us to get enough gold to buy items and level up. I was playing Night Stalker, and my initiates always ended up with a Riki steal. The played that played Riki ended up with 22-2 and 2 assists, where my friend and I both had about the same amount of assists as his he kills. That obviously means that he only stole kills and did almost nothing to help in ganks other than performing the killing blow. I had next to none kills which lead to a very bleak inventory for me, and thus I could not tank very well in the late game. Somehow we managed to still win, because Riki was so strong, but it took us much longer than it would if all of our team members had a decent amount of items to work with.
To hell with Riki. Riki is the harder carry compared to NS, its good that he get the farm and kills for the QQ, 3 stack Bara-Pudge-Lesh that goes 3 man dota since minute 0 and picking off pub players one by one. bunch off tryhards, wp though I prefer when stacks does things like this than going for competitive picks. still getting triple split earth + hook + charge (and any other combination of them) and die without manage to do anything, time and time again sucks
I fear way more rubick or SD/lina or lesh/any carry and that's way more common and harder to dodge
edit : lol our mid player had 6 CS in a 25 minutes game and he was not afk
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On May 20 2013 07:58 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 21:24 Zealos wrote:On May 19 2013 11:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 02:16 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 19 2013 02:01 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 00:36 Zealos wrote:
Am I the only one that feels it is fucking completely pointless solo or dual queuing when you're chat banned? It literally involves being able to coordinate nothing all fucking game, then getting whined at by dumb pieces of shit when you try to gank a lane and they do literally nothing because you couldn't ask them to move their fat asses to help the gank? I find going mid in general a horrible experience without a stack. Lane feeds? "gg mid didnt gank enough" I've been playing pretty much exclusive clockwerk while chat banned. I just ping around and if people don't follow me then oh fuckin well. I'm the team fight starter and if they wanna blame me for jumping in then I'll be glad to take it. Being chat banned honestly only stops me from flaming them making bad plays. U sound like an awesome teammate and its a huge mystery why youre chat banned What else can he do? Flaming people for misplays is the douchiest thing u can do next to intentional griefing
It seems your reading comprehension is bad. It's not flaming for misplays. It's telling people how to play better and they get defensive while doing the dumbest shit you can possibly do. Building stats and jinada first on BH for example. I try to tell him that's a bad build and what he should do instead. Instead of listening they tell you to fuck off and call you bad. Of course I'm going to flame the fuck out of him when he continues to go 0-15. If you're going to ruin dota games expect to get flamed. Other people play to enjoy the game, not so that you can feed and the other team can just walk all over you.
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On May 20 2013 18:42 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 07:58 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 21:24 Zealos wrote:On May 19 2013 11:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 02:16 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 19 2013 02:01 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 00:36 Zealos wrote:
Am I the only one that feels it is fucking completely pointless solo or dual queuing when you're chat banned? It literally involves being able to coordinate nothing all fucking game, then getting whined at by dumb pieces of shit when you try to gank a lane and they do literally nothing because you couldn't ask them to move their fat asses to help the gank? I find going mid in general a horrible experience without a stack. Lane feeds? "gg mid didnt gank enough" I've been playing pretty much exclusive clockwerk while chat banned. I just ping around and if people don't follow me then oh fuckin well. I'm the team fight starter and if they wanna blame me for jumping in then I'll be glad to take it. Being chat banned honestly only stops me from flaming them making bad plays. U sound like an awesome teammate and its a huge mystery why youre chat banned What else can he do? Flaming people for misplays is the douchiest thing u can do next to intentional griefing It seems your reading comprehension is bad. It's not flaming for misplays. It's telling people how to play better and they get defensive while doing the dumbest shit you can possibly do. Building stats and jinada first on BH for example. I try to tell him that's a bad build and what he should do instead. Instead of listening they tell you to fuck off and call you bad. Of course I'm going to flame the fuck out of him when he continues to go 0-15. If you're going to ruin dota games expect to get flamed. Other people play to enjoy the game, not so that you can feed and the other team can just walk all over you.
Telling people how to play better is fine, if you do it properly. Make it sound like you're trying to help and if they get defensive, ignore them. Whining won't make them play correctly, flaming them when they do bad because of their bad play will just make them angrier. It's not helping you (you just get chat banned) and it's not helping them (because they are too dumb to realize they need help), so just don't do it. Just go "Your build is pretty weak, I recommend going like this instead." and if they answer "stfu" or something just /ignore. Once their KDA is shit and they lost their lane, write "I told you the build was weak" and keep them on ignore, because their response is irrelevant.
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On May 20 2013 19:21 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 18:42 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 20 2013 07:58 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 21:24 Zealos wrote:On May 19 2013 11:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 02:16 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 19 2013 02:01 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 00:36 Zealos wrote:
Am I the only one that feels it is fucking completely pointless solo or dual queuing when you're chat banned? It literally involves being able to coordinate nothing all fucking game, then getting whined at by dumb pieces of shit when you try to gank a lane and they do literally nothing because you couldn't ask them to move their fat asses to help the gank? I find going mid in general a horrible experience without a stack. Lane feeds? "gg mid didnt gank enough" I've been playing pretty much exclusive clockwerk while chat banned. I just ping around and if people don't follow me then oh fuckin well. I'm the team fight starter and if they wanna blame me for jumping in then I'll be glad to take it. Being chat banned honestly only stops me from flaming them making bad plays. U sound like an awesome teammate and its a huge mystery why youre chat banned What else can he do? Flaming people for misplays is the douchiest thing u can do next to intentional griefing It seems your reading comprehension is bad. It's not flaming for misplays. It's telling people how to play better and they get defensive while doing the dumbest shit you can possibly do. Building stats and jinada first on BH for example. I try to tell him that's a bad build and what he should do instead. Instead of listening they tell you to fuck off and call you bad. Of course I'm going to flame the fuck out of him when he continues to go 0-15. If you're going to ruin dota games expect to get flamed. Other people play to enjoy the game, not so that you can feed and the other team can just walk all over you. Telling people how to play better is fine, if you do it properly. Make it sound like you're trying to help and if they get defensive, ignore them. Whining won't make them play correctly, flaming them when they do bad because of their bad play will just make them angrier. It's not helping you (you just get chat banned) and it's not helping them (because they are too dumb to realize they need help), so just don't do it. Just go "Your build is pretty weak, I recommend going like this instead." and if they answer "stfu" or something just /ignore. Once their KDA is shit and they lost their lane, write "I told you the build was weak" and keep them on ignore, because their response is irrelevant.
I would rather flame the fuck out of that person to make that person realize that what he/she is doing something wrong and hopefully change his/her mind before it's too late. Saying "your build is bad" wont change an angry stubborn person and they will blame the team, the hero composition or something else instead of realizing the build is the problem. Like that shadow fiend earlier in the thread who didnt go raze build, and then when someone told him that was bad he went one point in raze and ran 1v5 in and died and said that "raze is useless, see". Ppl are super stubborn and the only reason to change them is to be loud about it, otherwise they go "lol u are noob" and continue to be retarded.
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On May 20 2013 19:30 skirmisheR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 19:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 20 2013 18:42 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 20 2013 07:58 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 21:24 Zealos wrote:On May 19 2013 11:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 02:16 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 19 2013 02:01 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 00:36 Zealos wrote:
Am I the only one that feels it is fucking completely pointless solo or dual queuing when you're chat banned? It literally involves being able to coordinate nothing all fucking game, then getting whined at by dumb pieces of shit when you try to gank a lane and they do literally nothing because you couldn't ask them to move their fat asses to help the gank? I find going mid in general a horrible experience without a stack. Lane feeds? "gg mid didnt gank enough" I've been playing pretty much exclusive clockwerk while chat banned. I just ping around and if people don't follow me then oh fuckin well. I'm the team fight starter and if they wanna blame me for jumping in then I'll be glad to take it. Being chat banned honestly only stops me from flaming them making bad plays. U sound like an awesome teammate and its a huge mystery why youre chat banned What else can he do? Flaming people for misplays is the douchiest thing u can do next to intentional griefing It seems your reading comprehension is bad. It's not flaming for misplays. It's telling people how to play better and they get defensive while doing the dumbest shit you can possibly do. Building stats and jinada first on BH for example. I try to tell him that's a bad build and what he should do instead. Instead of listening they tell you to fuck off and call you bad. Of course I'm going to flame the fuck out of him when he continues to go 0-15. If you're going to ruin dota games expect to get flamed. Other people play to enjoy the game, not so that you can feed and the other team can just walk all over you. Telling people how to play better is fine, if you do it properly. Make it sound like you're trying to help and if they get defensive, ignore them. Whining won't make them play correctly, flaming them when they do bad because of their bad play will just make them angrier. It's not helping you (you just get chat banned) and it's not helping them (because they are too dumb to realize they need help), so just don't do it. Just go "Your build is pretty weak, I recommend going like this instead." and if they answer "stfu" or something just /ignore. Once their KDA is shit and they lost their lane, write "I told you the build was weak" and keep them on ignore, because their response is irrelevant. I would rather flame the fuck out of that person to make that person realize that what he/she is doing something wrong and hopefully change his/her mind before it's too late. Saying "your build is bad" wont change an angry stubborn person and they will blame the team, the hero composition or something else instead of realizing the build is the problem. Like that shadow fiend earlier in the thread who didnt go raze build, and then when someone told him that was bad he went one point in raze and ran 1v5 in and died and said that "raze is useless, see". Ppl are super stubborn and the only reason to change them is to be loud about it, otherwise they go "lol u are noob" and continue to be retarded.
So you really think flaming them will make them realise that they were in the wrong? Pretty naive to believe so.
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On May 20 2013 19:32 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 19:30 skirmisheR wrote:On May 20 2013 19:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 20 2013 18:42 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 20 2013 07:58 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 21:24 Zealos wrote:On May 19 2013 11:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 02:16 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 19 2013 02:01 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 00:36 Zealos wrote:
Am I the only one that feels it is fucking completely pointless solo or dual queuing when you're chat banned? It literally involves being able to coordinate nothing all fucking game, then getting whined at by dumb pieces of shit when you try to gank a lane and they do literally nothing because you couldn't ask them to move their fat asses to help the gank? I find going mid in general a horrible experience without a stack. Lane feeds? "gg mid didnt gank enough" I've been playing pretty much exclusive clockwerk while chat banned. I just ping around and if people don't follow me then oh fuckin well. I'm the team fight starter and if they wanna blame me for jumping in then I'll be glad to take it. Being chat banned honestly only stops me from flaming them making bad plays. U sound like an awesome teammate and its a huge mystery why youre chat banned What else can he do? Flaming people for misplays is the douchiest thing u can do next to intentional griefing It seems your reading comprehension is bad. It's not flaming for misplays. It's telling people how to play better and they get defensive while doing the dumbest shit you can possibly do. Building stats and jinada first on BH for example. I try to tell him that's a bad build and what he should do instead. Instead of listening they tell you to fuck off and call you bad. Of course I'm going to flame the fuck out of him when he continues to go 0-15. If you're going to ruin dota games expect to get flamed. Other people play to enjoy the game, not so that you can feed and the other team can just walk all over you. Telling people how to play better is fine, if you do it properly. Make it sound like you're trying to help and if they get defensive, ignore them. Whining won't make them play correctly, flaming them when they do bad because of their bad play will just make them angrier. It's not helping you (you just get chat banned) and it's not helping them (because they are too dumb to realize they need help), so just don't do it. Just go "Your build is pretty weak, I recommend going like this instead." and if they answer "stfu" or something just /ignore. Once their KDA is shit and they lost their lane, write "I told you the build was weak" and keep them on ignore, because their response is irrelevant. I would rather flame the fuck out of that person to make that person realize that what he/she is doing something wrong and hopefully change his/her mind before it's too late. Saying "your build is bad" wont change an angry stubborn person and they will blame the team, the hero composition or something else instead of realizing the build is the problem. Like that shadow fiend earlier in the thread who didnt go raze build, and then when someone told him that was bad he went one point in raze and ran 1v5 in and died and said that "raze is useless, see". Ppl are super stubborn and the only reason to change them is to be loud about it, otherwise they go "lol u are noob" and continue to be retarded. So you really think flaming them will make them realise that they were in the wrong? Pretty naive to believe so.
Laughing at them for doing stupid shit helps much more than saying "your build is bad" one time and then expecting them to be openminded and figure the rest out by themselves. Call it naive but being manner to russians who only say "stupid noob cyka" in chat doesnt help at all, you really have to make them realize that they are doing something wrong. And no im not talking out of my ass, this is based on a ton of experiences in game where ppl actually change their build Because you were loud about it
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Oh god, gyro free farmed and is well stuffed, ennemy team leads by 8 kills but almsot all our kills has been tracked kills and we're down 2 towers. 2 heroes decides it's lost and fountain camp and when the timer for abandon is close they go feed. So frustrating because I think overall we had the edge.
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On May 20 2013 19:30 skirmisheR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 19:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 20 2013 18:42 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 20 2013 07:58 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 21:24 Zealos wrote:On May 19 2013 11:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 02:16 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 19 2013 02:01 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 00:36 Zealos wrote:
Am I the only one that feels it is fucking completely pointless solo or dual queuing when you're chat banned? It literally involves being able to coordinate nothing all fucking game, then getting whined at by dumb pieces of shit when you try to gank a lane and they do literally nothing because you couldn't ask them to move their fat asses to help the gank? I find going mid in general a horrible experience without a stack. Lane feeds? "gg mid didnt gank enough" I've been playing pretty much exclusive clockwerk while chat banned. I just ping around and if people don't follow me then oh fuckin well. I'm the team fight starter and if they wanna blame me for jumping in then I'll be glad to take it. Being chat banned honestly only stops me from flaming them making bad plays. U sound like an awesome teammate and its a huge mystery why youre chat banned What else can he do? Flaming people for misplays is the douchiest thing u can do next to intentional griefing It seems your reading comprehension is bad. It's not flaming for misplays. It's telling people how to play better and they get defensive while doing the dumbest shit you can possibly do. Building stats and jinada first on BH for example. I try to tell him that's a bad build and what he should do instead. Instead of listening they tell you to fuck off and call you bad. Of course I'm going to flame the fuck out of him when he continues to go 0-15. If you're going to ruin dota games expect to get flamed. Other people play to enjoy the game, not so that you can feed and the other team can just walk all over you. Telling people how to play better is fine, if you do it properly. Make it sound like you're trying to help and if they get defensive, ignore them. Whining won't make them play correctly, flaming them when they do bad because of their bad play will just make them angrier. It's not helping you (you just get chat banned) and it's not helping them (because they are too dumb to realize they need help), so just don't do it. Just go "Your build is pretty weak, I recommend going like this instead." and if they answer "stfu" or something just /ignore. Once their KDA is shit and they lost their lane, write "I told you the build was weak" and keep them on ignore, because their response is irrelevant. I would rather flame the fuck out of that person to make that person realize that what he/she is doing something wrong and hopefully change his/her mind before it's too late. Saying "your build is bad" wont change an angry stubborn person and they will blame the team, the hero composition or something else instead of realizing the build is the problem. Like that shadow fiend earlier in the thread who didnt go raze build, and then when someone told him that was bad he went one point in raze and ran 1v5 in and died and said that "raze is useless, see". Ppl are super stubborn and the only reason to change them is to be loud about it, otherwise they go "lol u are noob" and continue to be retarded.
Flaming people like that will only make it worse, trust me. I've tried being an ass (flaming) and being rather polite and it is way more effective to try to be nice.
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On May 20 2013 20:08 Maindi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 19:30 skirmisheR wrote:On May 20 2013 19:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 20 2013 18:42 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 20 2013 07:58 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 21:24 Zealos wrote:On May 19 2013 11:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 02:16 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 19 2013 02:01 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 00:36 Zealos wrote:
Am I the only one that feels it is fucking completely pointless solo or dual queuing when you're chat banned? It literally involves being able to coordinate nothing all fucking game, then getting whined at by dumb pieces of shit when you try to gank a lane and they do literally nothing because you couldn't ask them to move their fat asses to help the gank? I find going mid in general a horrible experience without a stack. Lane feeds? "gg mid didnt gank enough" I've been playing pretty much exclusive clockwerk while chat banned. I just ping around and if people don't follow me then oh fuckin well. I'm the team fight starter and if they wanna blame me for jumping in then I'll be glad to take it. Being chat banned honestly only stops me from flaming them making bad plays. U sound like an awesome teammate and its a huge mystery why youre chat banned What else can he do? Flaming people for misplays is the douchiest thing u can do next to intentional griefing It seems your reading comprehension is bad. It's not flaming for misplays. It's telling people how to play better and they get defensive while doing the dumbest shit you can possibly do. Building stats and jinada first on BH for example. I try to tell him that's a bad build and what he should do instead. Instead of listening they tell you to fuck off and call you bad. Of course I'm going to flame the fuck out of him when he continues to go 0-15. If you're going to ruin dota games expect to get flamed. Other people play to enjoy the game, not so that you can feed and the other team can just walk all over you. Telling people how to play better is fine, if you do it properly. Make it sound like you're trying to help and if they get defensive, ignore them. Whining won't make them play correctly, flaming them when they do bad because of their bad play will just make them angrier. It's not helping you (you just get chat banned) and it's not helping them (because they are too dumb to realize they need help), so just don't do it. Just go "Your build is pretty weak, I recommend going like this instead." and if they answer "stfu" or something just /ignore. Once their KDA is shit and they lost their lane, write "I told you the build was weak" and keep them on ignore, because their response is irrelevant. I would rather flame the fuck out of that person to make that person realize that what he/she is doing something wrong and hopefully change his/her mind before it's too late. Saying "your build is bad" wont change an angry stubborn person and they will blame the team, the hero composition or something else instead of realizing the build is the problem. Like that shadow fiend earlier in the thread who didnt go raze build, and then when someone told him that was bad he went one point in raze and ran 1v5 in and died and said that "raze is useless, see". Ppl are super stubborn and the only reason to change them is to be loud about it, otherwise they go "lol u are noob" and continue to be retarded. Flaming people like that will only make it worse, trust me. I've tried being an ass (flaming) and being rather polite and it is way more effective to try to be nice.
Agreed, always try to be nice first; there's at least a chance the person just didn't think anything through or doesn't know much about the game and is willing to try and pick things back up to help the team.
And then there are other games where you reach the 44 minute mark and Lion says he needs a Vanguard because he's tired of dying. No wards, no support items, just tries his very best to take free farm...
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On May 20 2013 20:06 skirmisheR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 19:32 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 20 2013 19:30 skirmisheR wrote:On May 20 2013 19:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 20 2013 18:42 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 20 2013 07:58 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 21:24 Zealos wrote:On May 19 2013 11:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 02:16 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 19 2013 02:01 TheSubtleArt wrote:
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I find going mid in general a horrible experience without a stack. Lane feeds? "gg mid didnt gank enough" I've been playing pretty much exclusive clockwerk while chat banned. I just ping around and if people don't follow me then oh fuckin well. I'm the team fight starter and if they wanna blame me for jumping in then I'll be glad to take it. Being chat banned honestly only stops me from flaming them making bad plays. U sound like an awesome teammate and its a huge mystery why youre chat banned What else can he do? Flaming people for misplays is the douchiest thing u can do next to intentional griefing It seems your reading comprehension is bad. It's not flaming for misplays. It's telling people how to play better and they get defensive while doing the dumbest shit you can possibly do. Building stats and jinada first on BH for example. I try to tell him that's a bad build and what he should do instead. Instead of listening they tell you to fuck off and call you bad. Of course I'm going to flame the fuck out of him when he continues to go 0-15. If you're going to ruin dota games expect to get flamed. Other people play to enjoy the game, not so that you can feed and the other team can just walk all over you. Telling people how to play better is fine, if you do it properly. Make it sound like you're trying to help and if they get defensive, ignore them. Whining won't make them play correctly, flaming them when they do bad because of their bad play will just make them angrier. It's not helping you (you just get chat banned) and it's not helping them (because they are too dumb to realize they need help), so just don't do it. Just go "Your build is pretty weak, I recommend going like this instead." and if they answer "stfu" or something just /ignore. Once their KDA is shit and they lost their lane, write "I told you the build was weak" and keep them on ignore, because their response is irrelevant. I would rather flame the fuck out of that person to make that person realize that what he/she is doing something wrong and hopefully change his/her mind before it's too late. Saying "your build is bad" wont change an angry stubborn person and they will blame the team, the hero composition or something else instead of realizing the build is the problem. Like that shadow fiend earlier in the thread who didnt go raze build, and then when someone told him that was bad he went one point in raze and ran 1v5 in and died and said that "raze is useless, see". Ppl are super stubborn and the only reason to change them is to be loud about it, otherwise they go "lol u are noob" and continue to be retarded. So you really think flaming them will make them realise that they were in the wrong? Pretty naive to believe so. Laughing at them for doing stupid shit helps much more than saying "your build is bad" one time and then expecting them to be openminded and figure the rest out by themselves. Call it naive but being manner to russians who only say "stupid noob cyka" in chat doesnt help at all, you really have to make them realize that they are doing something wrong. And no im not talking out of my ass, this is based on a ton of experiences in game where ppl actually change their build Because you were loud about it
Insulting people in the hopes that they play better to seek your approval is not really a way to make your games better. Maybe some people listen, but you run an equal chance of ruining the game for yourself and other players. The idea does not meet with the "board game rule", which is: If you were sitting next to the person playing a board game and did the same thing, would it be effective or acceptable.
The answer is: not really.
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On May 20 2013 20:08 Maindi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 19:30 skirmisheR wrote:On May 20 2013 19:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 20 2013 18:42 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 20 2013 07:58 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 21:24 Zealos wrote:On May 19 2013 11:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 02:16 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 19 2013 02:01 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 00:36 Zealos wrote:
Am I the only one that feels it is fucking completely pointless solo or dual queuing when you're chat banned? It literally involves being able to coordinate nothing all fucking game, then getting whined at by dumb pieces of shit when you try to gank a lane and they do literally nothing because you couldn't ask them to move their fat asses to help the gank? I find going mid in general a horrible experience without a stack. Lane feeds? "gg mid didnt gank enough" I've been playing pretty much exclusive clockwerk while chat banned. I just ping around and if people don't follow me then oh fuckin well. I'm the team fight starter and if they wanna blame me for jumping in then I'll be glad to take it. Being chat banned honestly only stops me from flaming them making bad plays. U sound like an awesome teammate and its a huge mystery why youre chat banned What else can he do? Flaming people for misplays is the douchiest thing u can do next to intentional griefing It seems your reading comprehension is bad. It's not flaming for misplays. It's telling people how to play better and they get defensive while doing the dumbest shit you can possibly do. Building stats and jinada first on BH for example. I try to tell him that's a bad build and what he should do instead. Instead of listening they tell you to fuck off and call you bad. Of course I'm going to flame the fuck out of him when he continues to go 0-15. If you're going to ruin dota games expect to get flamed. Other people play to enjoy the game, not so that you can feed and the other team can just walk all over you. Telling people how to play better is fine, if you do it properly. Make it sound like you're trying to help and if they get defensive, ignore them. Whining won't make them play correctly, flaming them when they do bad because of their bad play will just make them angrier. It's not helping you (you just get chat banned) and it's not helping them (because they are too dumb to realize they need help), so just don't do it. Just go "Your build is pretty weak, I recommend going like this instead." and if they answer "stfu" or something just /ignore. Once their KDA is shit and they lost their lane, write "I told you the build was weak" and keep them on ignore, because their response is irrelevant. I would rather flame the fuck out of that person to make that person realize that what he/she is doing something wrong and hopefully change his/her mind before it's too late. Saying "your build is bad" wont change an angry stubborn person and they will blame the team, the hero composition or something else instead of realizing the build is the problem. Like that shadow fiend earlier in the thread who didnt go raze build, and then when someone told him that was bad he went one point in raze and ran 1v5 in and died and said that "raze is useless, see". Ppl are super stubborn and the only reason to change them is to be loud about it, otherwise they go "lol u are noob" and continue to be retarded. Flaming people like that will only make it worse, trust me. I've tried being an ass (flaming) and being rather polite and it is way more effective to try to be nice.
The first time you say something you are polite, but if they answer "fuck you noob" there is NO way they will change their mind if uou continue to be polite about it. Either you dont say anything more or you write a ton about it (not necessarily flaming) and they wilm change their minds. Saying "your build is bad" will never change that type of person, ever. Sure you can be polite about it at first but if it doesnt work there is no point in continuing to be super chill about what you mean, then you should just spare the effort and not talk anymore about it.
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On May 20 2013 21:16 skirmisheR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 20:08 Maindi wrote:On May 20 2013 19:30 skirmisheR wrote:On May 20 2013 19:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 20 2013 18:42 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 20 2013 07:58 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 21:24 Zealos wrote:On May 19 2013 11:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 02:16 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 19 2013 02:01 TheSubtleArt wrote:
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I find going mid in general a horrible experience without a stack. Lane feeds? "gg mid didnt gank enough" I've been playing pretty much exclusive clockwerk while chat banned. I just ping around and if people don't follow me then oh fuckin well. I'm the team fight starter and if they wanna blame me for jumping in then I'll be glad to take it. Being chat banned honestly only stops me from flaming them making bad plays. U sound like an awesome teammate and its a huge mystery why youre chat banned What else can he do? Flaming people for misplays is the douchiest thing u can do next to intentional griefing It seems your reading comprehension is bad. It's not flaming for misplays. It's telling people how to play better and they get defensive while doing the dumbest shit you can possibly do. Building stats and jinada first on BH for example. I try to tell him that's a bad build and what he should do instead. Instead of listening they tell you to fuck off and call you bad. Of course I'm going to flame the fuck out of him when he continues to go 0-15. If you're going to ruin dota games expect to get flamed. Other people play to enjoy the game, not so that you can feed and the other team can just walk all over you. Telling people how to play better is fine, if you do it properly. Make it sound like you're trying to help and if they get defensive, ignore them. Whining won't make them play correctly, flaming them when they do bad because of their bad play will just make them angrier. It's not helping you (you just get chat banned) and it's not helping them (because they are too dumb to realize they need help), so just don't do it. Just go "Your build is pretty weak, I recommend going like this instead." and if they answer "stfu" or something just /ignore. Once their KDA is shit and they lost their lane, write "I told you the build was weak" and keep them on ignore, because their response is irrelevant. I would rather flame the fuck out of that person to make that person realize that what he/she is doing something wrong and hopefully change his/her mind before it's too late. Saying "your build is bad" wont change an angry stubborn person and they will blame the team, the hero composition or something else instead of realizing the build is the problem. Like that shadow fiend earlier in the thread who didnt go raze build, and then when someone told him that was bad he went one point in raze and ran 1v5 in and died and said that "raze is useless, see". Ppl are super stubborn and the only reason to change them is to be loud about it, otherwise they go "lol u are noob" and continue to be retarded. Flaming people like that will only make it worse, trust me. I've tried being an ass (flaming) and being rather polite and it is way more effective to try to be nice. The first time you say something you are polite, but if they answer "fuck you noob" there is NO way they will change their mind if uou continue to be polite about it. Either you dont say anything more or you write a ton about it (not necessarily flaming) and they wilm change their minds. Saying "your build is bad" will never change that type of person, ever. Sure you can be polite about it at first but if it doesnt work there is no point in continuing to be super chill about what you mean, then you should just spare the effort and not talk anymore about it.
By all means stop talking to them about it and spare the effort. What we're saying is that flaming them back in hopes that they will change their point of view due to your flame is ridiculous and naive.
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If someone is polite to me and gives suggestions politely I'll at least say why I'm going to ignore them. If they start being rude I will politely explain to them that it is a game that I am playing for fun and that their rudeness is unwelcome and not appreciated. If they continue to be a dick though then I'll adapt my play as much as possible to spite them without losing us the game. Sometimes I'll get it wrong and lose us the game. Such is life.
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On May 20 2013 21:18 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 21:16 skirmisheR wrote:On May 20 2013 20:08 Maindi wrote:On May 20 2013 19:30 skirmisheR wrote:On May 20 2013 19:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 20 2013 18:42 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 20 2013 07:58 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 21:24 Zealos wrote:On May 19 2013 11:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 02:16 Infernal_dream wrote:
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I've been playing pretty much exclusive clockwerk while chat banned. I just ping around and if people don't follow me then oh fuckin well. I'm the team fight starter and if they wanna blame me for jumping in then I'll be glad to take it. Being chat banned honestly only stops me from flaming them making bad plays. U sound like an awesome teammate and its a huge mystery why youre chat banned What else can he do? Flaming people for misplays is the douchiest thing u can do next to intentional griefing It seems your reading comprehension is bad. It's not flaming for misplays. It's telling people how to play better and they get defensive while doing the dumbest shit you can possibly do. Building stats and jinada first on BH for example. I try to tell him that's a bad build and what he should do instead. Instead of listening they tell you to fuck off and call you bad. Of course I'm going to flame the fuck out of him when he continues to go 0-15. If you're going to ruin dota games expect to get flamed. Other people play to enjoy the game, not so that you can feed and the other team can just walk all over you. Telling people how to play better is fine, if you do it properly. Make it sound like you're trying to help and if they get defensive, ignore them. Whining won't make them play correctly, flaming them when they do bad because of their bad play will just make them angrier. It's not helping you (you just get chat banned) and it's not helping them (because they are too dumb to realize they need help), so just don't do it. Just go "Your build is pretty weak, I recommend going like this instead." and if they answer "stfu" or something just /ignore. Once their KDA is shit and they lost their lane, write "I told you the build was weak" and keep them on ignore, because their response is irrelevant. I would rather flame the fuck out of that person to make that person realize that what he/she is doing something wrong and hopefully change his/her mind before it's too late. Saying "your build is bad" wont change an angry stubborn person and they will blame the team, the hero composition or something else instead of realizing the build is the problem. Like that shadow fiend earlier in the thread who didnt go raze build, and then when someone told him that was bad he went one point in raze and ran 1v5 in and died and said that "raze is useless, see". Ppl are super stubborn and the only reason to change them is to be loud about it, otherwise they go "lol u are noob" and continue to be retarded. Flaming people like that will only make it worse, trust me. I've tried being an ass (flaming) and being rather polite and it is way more effective to try to be nice. The first time you say something you are polite, but if they answer "fuck you noob" there is NO way they will change their mind if uou continue to be polite about it. Either you dont say anything more or you write a ton about it (not necessarily flaming) and they wilm change their minds. Saying "your build is bad" will never change that type of person, ever. Sure you can be polite about it at first but if it doesnt work there is no point in continuing to be super chill about what you mean, then you should just spare the effort and not talk anymore about it. By all means stop talking to them about it and spare the effort. What we're saying is that flaming them back in hopes that they will change their point of view due to your flame is ridiculous and naive.
Except it has for me worked hundreds of times and I can see the other person actually listening and changing their skill build/item builds. This has never been the case when I say "You should go this skill instead of this". But I guess I'm ridiculous and naive, because why not
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On May 20 2013 21:53 KwarK wrote:
If someone is polite to me and gives suggestions politely I'll at least say why I'm going to ignore them. If they start being rude I will politely explain to them that it is a game that I am playing for fun and that their rudeness is unwelcome and not appreciated. If they continue to be a dick though then I'll adapt my play as much as possible to spite them without losing us the game. Sometimes I'll get it wrong and lose us the game. Such is life.
I'm sure you're just the most lovely team-mate, ignoring people who give you polite suggestions and trolling anyone who gets annoyed when you ignore them.
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Another lost game due to people arguing who's the worst. We were actually winning, game was equal with spectre on our side.
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On May 20 2013 22:04 oGsTrueSmug wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 21:53 KwarK wrote:
If someone is polite to me and gives suggestions politely I'll at least say why I'm going to ignore them. If they start being rude I will politely explain to them that it is a game that I am playing for fun and that their rudeness is unwelcome and not appreciated. If they continue to be a dick though then I'll adapt my play as much as possible to spite them without losing us the game. Sometimes I'll get it wrong and lose us the game. Such is life. I'm sure you're just the most lovely team-mate, ignoring people who give you polite suggestions and trolling anyone who gets annoyed when you ignore them.
As in if they're polite I'll either accept their suggestion or respond to say why I don't intend to take their advice. I'm a very reasonable, very polite, wonderful teammate to have. Even when they get mad I still don't flame them back.
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On May 20 2013 22:02 skirmisheR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 21:18 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 20 2013 21:16 skirmisheR wrote:On May 20 2013 20:08 Maindi wrote:On May 20 2013 19:30 skirmisheR wrote:On May 20 2013 19:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 20 2013 18:42 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 20 2013 07:58 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 21:24 Zealos wrote:On May 19 2013 11:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:
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U sound like an awesome teammate and its a huge mystery why youre chat banned What else can he do? Flaming people for misplays is the douchiest thing u can do next to intentional griefing It seems your reading comprehension is bad. It's not flaming for misplays. It's telling people how to play better and they get defensive while doing the dumbest shit you can possibly do. Building stats and jinada first on BH for example. I try to tell him that's a bad build and what he should do instead. Instead of listening they tell you to fuck off and call you bad. Of course I'm going to flame the fuck out of him when he continues to go 0-15. If you're going to ruin dota games expect to get flamed. Other people play to enjoy the game, not so that you can feed and the other team can just walk all over you. Telling people how to play better is fine, if you do it properly. Make it sound like you're trying to help and if they get defensive, ignore them. Whining won't make them play correctly, flaming them when they do bad because of their bad play will just make them angrier. It's not helping you (you just get chat banned) and it's not helping them (because they are too dumb to realize they need help), so just don't do it. Just go "Your build is pretty weak, I recommend going like this instead." and if they answer "stfu" or something just /ignore. Once their KDA is shit and they lost their lane, write "I told you the build was weak" and keep them on ignore, because their response is irrelevant. I would rather flame the fuck out of that person to make that person realize that what he/she is doing something wrong and hopefully change his/her mind before it's too late. Saying "your build is bad" wont change an angry stubborn person and they will blame the team, the hero composition or something else instead of realizing the build is the problem. Like that shadow fiend earlier in the thread who didnt go raze build, and then when someone told him that was bad he went one point in raze and ran 1v5 in and died and said that "raze is useless, see". Ppl are super stubborn and the only reason to change them is to be loud about it, otherwise they go "lol u are noob" and continue to be retarded. Flaming people like that will only make it worse, trust me. I've tried being an ass (flaming) and being rather polite and it is way more effective to try to be nice. The first time you say something you are polite, but if they answer "fuck you noob" there is NO way they will change their mind if uou continue to be polite about it. Either you dont say anything more or you write a ton about it (not necessarily flaming) and they wilm change their minds. Saying "your build is bad" will never change that type of person, ever. Sure you can be polite about it at first but if it doesnt work there is no point in continuing to be super chill about what you mean, then you should just spare the effort and not talk anymore about it. By all means stop talking to them about it and spare the effort. What we're saying is that flaming them back in hopes that they will change their point of view due to your flame is ridiculous and naive. Except it has for me worked hundreds of times and I can see the other person actually listening and changing their skill build/item builds. This has never been the case when I say "You should go this skill instead of this". But I guess I'm ridiculous and naive, because why not
I have never once been in a game when one guy flaming another has resulted in anything other than shitflinging. I agree with your ridiculous and naive theory.
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On May 20 2013 22:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:02 skirmisheR wrote:On May 20 2013 21:18 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 20 2013 21:16 skirmisheR wrote:On May 20 2013 20:08 Maindi wrote:On May 20 2013 19:30 skirmisheR wrote:On May 20 2013 19:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 20 2013 18:42 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 20 2013 07:58 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2013 21:24 Zealos wrote:
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What else can he do? Flaming people for misplays is the douchiest thing u can do next to intentional griefing It seems your reading comprehension is bad. It's not flaming for misplays. It's telling people how to play better and they get defensive while doing the dumbest shit you can possibly do. Building stats and jinada first on BH for example. I try to tell him that's a bad build and what he should do instead. Instead of listening they tell you to fuck off and call you bad. Of course I'm going to flame the fuck out of him when he continues to go 0-15. If you're going to ruin dota games expect to get flamed. Other people play to enjoy the game, not so that you can feed and the other team can just walk all over you. Telling people how to play better is fine, if you do it properly. Make it sound like you're trying to help and if they get defensive, ignore them. Whining won't make them play correctly, flaming them when they do bad because of their bad play will just make them angrier. It's not helping you (you just get chat banned) and it's not helping them (because they are too dumb to realize they need help), so just don't do it. Just go "Your build is pretty weak, I recommend going like this instead." and if they answer "stfu" or something just /ignore. Once their KDA is shit and they lost their lane, write "I told you the build was weak" and keep them on ignore, because their response is irrelevant. I would rather flame the fuck out of that person to make that person realize that what he/she is doing something wrong and hopefully change his/her mind before it's too late. Saying "your build is bad" wont change an angry stubborn person and they will blame the team, the hero composition or something else instead of realizing the build is the problem. Like that shadow fiend earlier in the thread who didnt go raze build, and then when someone told him that was bad he went one point in raze and ran 1v5 in and died and said that "raze is useless, see". Ppl are super stubborn and the only reason to change them is to be loud about it, otherwise they go "lol u are noob" and continue to be retarded. Flaming people like that will only make it worse, trust me. I've tried being an ass (flaming) and being rather polite and it is way more effective to try to be nice. The first time you say something you are polite, but if they answer "fuck you noob" there is NO way they will change their mind if uou continue to be polite about it. Either you dont say anything more or you write a ton about it (not necessarily flaming) and they wilm change their minds. Saying "your build is bad" will never change that type of person, ever. Sure you can be polite about it at first but if it doesnt work there is no point in continuing to be super chill about what you mean, then you should just spare the effort and not talk anymore about it. By all means stop talking to them about it and spare the effort. What we're saying is that flaming them back in hopes that they will change their point of view due to your flame is ridiculous and naive. Except it has for me worked hundreds of times and I can see the other person actually listening and changing their skill build/item builds. This has never been the case when I say "You should go this skill instead of this". But I guess I'm ridiculous and naive, because why not I have never once been in a game when one guy flaming another has resulted in anything other than shitflinging. I agree with your ridiculous and naive theory.
Sick argument
Anyway, it's not so much about being a flamer, it's more about being very active about changing the persons way of playing and maybe even ridiculing it, if you just say "please go this item instead" you won't change anything, I don't believe anybody can ever believe that will ever work if you are talking to a person who's standard response is "stfu noob".
But I guess we're a little bit off topic, sorry about the slight derailment
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