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On March 28 2013 08:45 SKYFISH_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:23 hooahah wrote:
Furi is a pubstomper in the sense that he's mostly independent of the rest of the team earlygame. Unless you're being purposefully ganked (doubt it), you should be able to get your midas at a reasonable time - moreso if you gank well, which shouldn't be too hard in pubs.
So I guess you could say that Furion is consistent moreso than a pubstomper ala SS or TA.
I dunno, I personally cant pubstom with Furi - either my team feeds/has a hard time with a solo offlaner or I end up being the only hero on our team with farm when Furi is far from being the hardest carry around that being said, its easier for me to pubstom with a jungling Naix - gets the midas roughly at the same time, has the same ganking potential and absolutely rapes in the midgame. :p
Same here. My Furion is terrible but if I can get a Naix I just straight up carry the game most of the time unless they deliberately shut me down. Midas and then just farm like crazy. Its so much fun to just hitch a ride with a creep wave and then pop out with "SURPRISE!" and kill two opponents before they can even react.
But seriously, you don't want to see my Nature's Prophet. >_>
On March 28 2013 12:33 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 08:21 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On March 28 2013 06:35 Lightspeaker wrote:
This game...
My team:
Venomancer: 3-15
Sven: 4-10
Tusk: 2-10
Drow: 7-12
Other team:
Faceless Void: 17-2
Rest pretty much irrelevant. A 17 kill Void. I mean DAMN.
I was Antimage (3-4 by the end). I can't compete with that level of feed. Especially when I get little early farm because Venomancer is too busy stacking the jungle and pulling while I'm getting my head torn off by Witch Doctor babysitting Void. -_-
Drow also berated me about twenty minutes to half an hour into the game for not getting Vanguard. i had pretty much the same game. i was antimage and had 4-3-2 or something at the end. the rest of my team did not have a !single! herokill... and of course who is to blame? the antimage who basically killed a 3man gank squad early on and was the only one winning his lane where did u get ur assists then ;p
Kills on heroes by Towers/Creeps can get you assists.
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Fuck Russians, genuinly just fuck em and their obnoxius mentality in Dota 2. Give me ability to block whole eastern block IP for which i will willingly pay you so i won't need to watch cyrilic spam bullshit from some of the worst players in the universe every fucking time i queqe on EU West with English language selected.
Fucking cockroaches.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On March 28 2013 22:47 hooahah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 21:27 Jalle wrote:
Two games in a row I end up with one of my teammates instantly picking Drow, then as soon as things do not quite go as he's planned (Drow means insta-win right?!?!?!), proceeds to flame the whole team for the rest of the game in every way imaginable. Dear lord, why does it always have to be the Drows? :/ it's people that are looking for insta-wins, they tend to be douchebags. If he's good then he rises in the matchmaking until he reaches a level where people know how to deal with Drow and he can't keep doing his bullshit. If he's bad then he'll blame his teammates for his losses since Drow has 99% winrate. If someone happens to pick Drow via random though - oh boy, you're in for a pounding Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 22:41 Benjef wrote:I'm 4-16 in my past 20 games. I want to cry. 3 of those 4 wins were in 5 stacks and the other 1 was in a solo queue where I went mid and just stomped.... What the fuck dotaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Just looked back further in my dotabuff Before this loss streak I was 17 wins and 6 losses.... Why can't dota be consistent  . statistics bro - each game is independent of the previous one. Just because you won a game doesn't mean that the next one will be a loss, and vice versa.
Lol....bro, each game is not independent of the previous one :D. Your logic is flawed...Anyway, there is a serious flaw in the MM system in DOTA imo. I know it sounds like whining, but I actually stopped playing because it is just very obviously there. When compared to SC2 the matchmaking system is seriously flawed.
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No, it isn't.
It's just that Dota can easily snowball on early advantages and if you play 5on5 there is a big chance that a few players screw up early and the game then looks like a totally unbalanced rapefest.
+Not everyone is playing "serious" (Dagon riki ftw!)
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On March 28 2013 23:46 Domus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 22:47 hooahah wrote:On March 28 2013 21:27 Jalle wrote:
Two games in a row I end up with one of my teammates instantly picking Drow, then as soon as things do not quite go as he's planned (Drow means insta-win right?!?!?!), proceeds to flame the whole team for the rest of the game in every way imaginable. Dear lord, why does it always have to be the Drows? :/ it's people that are looking for insta-wins, they tend to be douchebags. If he's good then he rises in the matchmaking until he reaches a level where people know how to deal with Drow and he can't keep doing his bullshit. If he's bad then he'll blame his teammates for his losses since Drow has 99% winrate. If someone happens to pick Drow via random though - oh boy, you're in for a pounding On March 28 2013 22:41 Benjef wrote:I'm 4-16 in my past 20 games. I want to cry. 3 of those 4 wins were in 5 stacks and the other 1 was in a solo queue where I went mid and just stomped.... What the fuck dotaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Just looked back further in my dotabuff Before this loss streak I was 17 wins and 6 losses.... Why can't dota be consistent . statistics bro - each game is independent of the previous one. Just because you won a game doesn't mean that the next one will be a loss, and vice versa. Lol....bro, each game is not independent of the previous one :D. Your logic is flawed...Anyway, there is a serious flaw in the MM system in DOTA imo. I know it sounds like whining, but I actually stopped playing because it is just very obviously there. When compared to SC2 the matchmaking system is seriously flawed.
Every game is independent, outside of your regular MMR gain/loss. There is no 'this guy just won a game, we are going to deliberately put him in a team of 4 idiots so he loses the next game,' at all. Any claims otherwise are just delusional and easy excuses.
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On March 28 2013 23:58 Velr wrote:
No, it isn't.
It's just that Dota can easily snowball on early advantages and if you play 5on5 there is a big chance that a few players screw up early and the game then looks like a totally unbalanced rapefest.
+Not everyone is playing "serious" (Dagon riki ftw!)
Oh no, that is not what I am talking about. A game snowballing does not happen all that often when team picks are balanced. But you can pretty much tell from the attitudes of the players what your win chance is. When you get to some higher level games the players start to get nicer and better and know certain things. Simple examples are buying a courier, upgrading it, multiple people placing wards, lane control, teleporting for defense or ganks, ability to last hit, no more than 2 carries, people that want to communicate.
What usually happens for me is that I get a lot of these games in a row for a night. Then I log in the next day and I don't know what changed, but all of a sudden I will get the complete opposite. So what I will get people picking gankers only (I sometimes have riki, drow, clinkz, bounty hunter pick in one team), no communication (or russian), no courier for 20 mins unless I buy it, no wards, no tp, I have seen the most terrible last hitting to the point it was just depressing to support because you know you will be stuck with an idiot that can't carry for the next 40 minutes.
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On March 29 2013 00:04 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 23:46 Domus wrote:On March 28 2013 22:47 hooahah wrote:On March 28 2013 21:27 Jalle wrote:
Two games in a row I end up with one of my teammates instantly picking Drow, then as soon as things do not quite go as he's planned (Drow means insta-win right?!?!?!), proceeds to flame the whole team for the rest of the game in every way imaginable. Dear lord, why does it always have to be the Drows? :/ it's people that are looking for insta-wins, they tend to be douchebags. If he's good then he rises in the matchmaking until he reaches a level where people know how to deal with Drow and he can't keep doing his bullshit. If he's bad then he'll blame his teammates for his losses since Drow has 99% winrate. If someone happens to pick Drow via random though - oh boy, you're in for a pounding On March 28 2013 22:41 Benjef wrote:I'm 4-16 in my past 20 games. I want to cry. 3 of those 4 wins were in 5 stacks and the other 1 was in a solo queue where I went mid and just stomped.... What the fuck dotaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Just looked back further in my dotabuff Before this loss streak I was 17 wins and 6 losses.... Why can't dota be consistent . statistics bro - each game is independent of the previous one. Just because you won a game doesn't mean that the next one will be a loss, and vice versa. Lol....bro, each game is not independent of the previous one :D. Your logic is flawed...Anyway, there is a serious flaw in the MM system in DOTA imo. I know it sounds like whining, but I actually stopped playing because it is just very obviously there. When compared to SC2 the matchmaking system is seriously flawed. Every game is independent, outside of your regular MMR gain/loss. There is no 'this guy just won a game, we are going to deliberately put him in a team of 4 idiots so he loses the next game,' at all. Any claims otherwise are just delusional and easy excuses.
your MMR makes it dependent though. I am not saying that it is a deliberate fuck you to the players, but the system is poor at measuring player performance to say the least.
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On March 29 2013 00:12 Domus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 00:04 Firebolt145 wrote:On March 28 2013 23:46 Domus wrote:On March 28 2013 22:47 hooahah wrote:On March 28 2013 21:27 Jalle wrote:
Two games in a row I end up with one of my teammates instantly picking Drow, then as soon as things do not quite go as he's planned (Drow means insta-win right?!?!?!), proceeds to flame the whole team for the rest of the game in every way imaginable. Dear lord, why does it always have to be the Drows? :/ it's people that are looking for insta-wins, they tend to be douchebags. If he's good then he rises in the matchmaking until he reaches a level where people know how to deal with Drow and he can't keep doing his bullshit. If he's bad then he'll blame his teammates for his losses since Drow has 99% winrate. If someone happens to pick Drow via random though - oh boy, you're in for a pounding On March 28 2013 22:41 Benjef wrote:I'm 4-16 in my past 20 games. I want to cry. 3 of those 4 wins were in 5 stacks and the other 1 was in a solo queue where I went mid and just stomped.... What the fuck dotaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Just looked back further in my dotabuff Before this loss streak I was 17 wins and 6 losses.... Why can't dota be consistent . statistics bro - each game is independent of the previous one. Just because you won a game doesn't mean that the next one will be a loss, and vice versa. Lol....bro, each game is not independent of the previous one :D. Your logic is flawed...Anyway, there is a serious flaw in the MM system in DOTA imo. I know it sounds like whining, but I actually stopped playing because it is just very obviously there. When compared to SC2 the matchmaking system is seriously flawed. Every game is independent, outside of your regular MMR gain/loss. There is no 'this guy just won a game, we are going to deliberately put him in a team of 4 idiots so he loses the next game,' at all. Any claims otherwise are just delusional and easy excuses. your MMR makes it dependent though.
Yes it does. But most people who claim 'omg I was on a winstreak then MM made me lose' are claiming that the system actively places them in a team of people worse than them to destroy their winstreak. If that was not what you meant, then you're right and fair enough, it's not completely independent.
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On March 29 2013 00:14 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 00:12 Domus wrote:On March 29 2013 00:04 Firebolt145 wrote:On March 28 2013 23:46 Domus wrote:On March 28 2013 22:47 hooahah wrote:On March 28 2013 21:27 Jalle wrote:
Two games in a row I end up with one of my teammates instantly picking Drow, then as soon as things do not quite go as he's planned (Drow means insta-win right?!?!?!), proceeds to flame the whole team for the rest of the game in every way imaginable. Dear lord, why does it always have to be the Drows? :/ it's people that are looking for insta-wins, they tend to be douchebags. If he's good then he rises in the matchmaking until he reaches a level where people know how to deal with Drow and he can't keep doing his bullshit. If he's bad then he'll blame his teammates for his losses since Drow has 99% winrate. If someone happens to pick Drow via random though - oh boy, you're in for a pounding On March 28 2013 22:41 Benjef wrote:I'm 4-16 in my past 20 games. I want to cry. 3 of those 4 wins were in 5 stacks and the other 1 was in a solo queue where I went mid and just stomped.... What the fuck dotaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Just looked back further in my dotabuff Before this loss streak I was 17 wins and 6 losses.... Why can't dota be consistent . statistics bro - each game is independent of the previous one. Just because you won a game doesn't mean that the next one will be a loss, and vice versa. Lol....bro, each game is not independent of the previous one :D. Your logic is flawed...Anyway, there is a serious flaw in the MM system in DOTA imo. I know it sounds like whining, but I actually stopped playing because it is just very obviously there. When compared to SC2 the matchmaking system is seriously flawed. Every game is independent, outside of your regular MMR gain/loss. There is no 'this guy just won a game, we are going to deliberately put him in a team of 4 idiots so he loses the next game,' at all. Any claims otherwise are just delusional and easy excuses. your MMR makes it dependent though. Yes it does. But most people who claim 'omg I was on a winstreak then MM made me lose' are claiming that the system actively places them in a team of people worse than them to destroy their winstreak. If that was not what you meant, then you're right and fair enough, it's not completely independent.
I think the MMR system might be measuring the wrong things. If maybe Valve would have some automatic system to analyze a replay it would give a better measure of the individual players abilities than, for example, just looking at someones xpm/gpm and win/loss/assist. I am not sure how the MMR system works, I am sure that is not open to the public. At the moment I do think the players ability I get matched up with is all over the place. I am not saying I am great, just that sometimes I play with way better players, and sometimes with way worse players and the difference is very noticeable.
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My worst memory of my ~~1800games played is a tinker who instapicked and screamed: "JUNGLE!!". He was lvl 1 after 16 minutes and had 0-0-0. Then.. At 18min and foward he died 12 times before reaching 30 minutes.. We lost.. He finished the game with 0-16-1
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On March 29 2013 00:33 413X wrote:
My worst memory of my ~~1800games played is a tinker who instapicked and screamed: "JUNGLE!!". He was lvl 1 after 16 minutes and had 0-0-0. Then.. At 18min and foward he died 12 times before reaching 30 minutes.. We lost.. He finished the game with 0-16-1
I gotta give him props for not dying at all even though he was lvl 1 at 16 minutes. The other team must have completely forgotten about him.
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Dat feel when the enemy steals all your stacks... T_T
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This game is becoming worse than fucking league of legends i swear. Playing random riki, end up being offlane solo vs 3. My roaming VS support goes into their jungle and feeds them twice. Giving both leshrac and lion boots before i have. I then proceeded to get dived at my tier 2 tower without single tp support. I end up somehow getting two kills before tower goes down. Im then bottom with our PA who decides to try and defend a tower vs 4 people and they dive him, i smoke and do what little i can do but ofc it doesnt really do anything. I then get moaned at for "no smoke" when i cast it. Our mid SF then decides to suicide into 4 players and once again i get blamed for "no smoke" when i DID cast it. Seriously, shut the fuck up if youre not fucking watching the game. Sick of this shit. Actually abandoned because im not going to stick around and get moaned at for your fucking incompetence, fuck this game, i want russians again, at least i cant fucking understand what theyre saying. QQ
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I dont understand people complaining about teams, its a teamgame get a team or deal with the fact that public sucks.
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On March 29 2013 02:47 Eiskaffee wrote:
I dont understand people complaining about teams, its a teamgame get a team or deal with the fact that public sucks.
what? no, fuck that mentality. Just play solo, if your team is bad then try to make the most out of a bad situation.
as for the riki dude - just mute them, honestly. It works wonders.
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On March 29 2013 00:17 Domus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 00:14 Firebolt145 wrote:On March 29 2013 00:12 Domus wrote:On March 29 2013 00:04 Firebolt145 wrote:On March 28 2013 23:46 Domus wrote:On March 28 2013 22:47 hooahah wrote:On March 28 2013 21:27 Jalle wrote:
Two games in a row I end up with one of my teammates instantly picking Drow, then as soon as things do not quite go as he's planned (Drow means insta-win right?!?!?!), proceeds to flame the whole team for the rest of the game in every way imaginable. Dear lord, why does it always have to be the Drows? :/ it's people that are looking for insta-wins, they tend to be douchebags. If he's good then he rises in the matchmaking until he reaches a level where people know how to deal with Drow and he can't keep doing his bullshit. If he's bad then he'll blame his teammates for his losses since Drow has 99% winrate. If someone happens to pick Drow via random though - oh boy, you're in for a pounding On March 28 2013 22:41 Benjef wrote:I'm 4-16 in my past 20 games. I want to cry. 3 of those 4 wins were in 5 stacks and the other 1 was in a solo queue where I went mid and just stomped.... What the fuck dotaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Just looked back further in my dotabuff Before this loss streak I was 17 wins and 6 losses.... Why can't dota be consistent . statistics bro - each game is independent of the previous one. Just because you won a game doesn't mean that the next one will be a loss, and vice versa. Lol....bro, each game is not independent of the previous one :D. Your logic is flawed...Anyway, there is a serious flaw in the MM system in DOTA imo. I know it sounds like whining, but I actually stopped playing because it is just very obviously there. When compared to SC2 the matchmaking system is seriously flawed. Every game is independent, outside of your regular MMR gain/loss. There is no 'this guy just won a game, we are going to deliberately put him in a team of 4 idiots so he loses the next game,' at all. Any claims otherwise are just delusional and easy excuses. your MMR makes it dependent though. Yes it does. But most people who claim 'omg I was on a winstreak then MM made me lose' are claiming that the system actively places them in a team of people worse than them to destroy their winstreak. If that was not what you meant, then you're right and fair enough, it's not completely independent. I think the MMR system might be measuring the wrong things. If maybe Valve would have some automatic system to analyze a replay it would give a better measure of the individual players abilities than, for example, just looking at someones xpm/gpm and win/loss/assist. I am not sure how the MMR system works, I am sure that is not open to the public. At the moment I do think the players ability I get matched up with is all over the place. I am not saying I am great, just that sometimes I play with way better players, and sometimes with way worse players and the difference is very noticeable.
The MMR is simple : you win and you gain points, you lose and you lose point. It's official and public .It's just that sometimes you random your favorite heroe, sometimes not, you can have good synergy with another player but playing this same heroe combo with another will utterly fail. There are many factors but XPM & GPM are terrible to determine MMR, Roaming supprots win tons of games with shitty xpm/gpm. Sometimes one furion wins the game splitpushing all day but it was maybe the right choice & has poor KDA. And to be honest when I have huge winstreaks and end up mid I'm completely outplayed by the other mid player during laning phase. I think MMR is fine, pubs are random & you have to deal with it. And I'm saying this with a 3 wins on my match history first page.
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I am in my first 20 games of dota 2 at presumably rock bottom MMR. The game was not as fun a year ago and I ended up playing many LoL games to stick around with my friends, though I am more of a solitary gamer.
I'm glad i've come back to some DotA 2 and a completely new learning experience, I haven't had any serious problem teams yet---all relatively supportive of me not knowing what heroes are all about, and realizing that there's a lot of options in-game. I'm about 48-4 in the last two games and where i've really tried getting to know the game (the game before those was a 7-6 timbersaw game which doesn't at all illustrate how horrible it must've looked.. to see a timbersaw ally start by throwing their chains directly at heroes and playing passive in lane)..
But these are just flukes of games where I have a lot of freedom compared to higher level ones.
Free farm PA past 15 minutes, a mid slark with easy early snowball kills, etc.
I'm pretty sad because i'm just bad, LOL. I love all the options of the game and the feature of hotkeys (control groups included) in really anything, but mine are binded horribly and it shows (i've had four or 5 different active items at one time on "support" disrupter, and that was a nightmare). Watching myself play is disappointing, especially since i have an idea of what's possible in the level of control in this game.
I'm going to watch pro-games and pick out many small details for myself, if possible. I won't complain to my teammates such that they've had patience with me--nor do i have a reason to.
I'm terrified deep down that i've tried so hard, and have seemingly gotten so far [by knowing nothing], but in the end i'm going to get pubstomped hard the next time i queue, guaranteed, LOL.
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On March 29 2013 04:02 nanaoei wrote:
I'm pretty sad because i'm just bad, LOL. I love all the options of the game and the feature of hotkeys (control groups included) in really anything, but mine are binded horribly and it shows (i've had four or 5 different active items at one time on "support" disrupter, and that was a nightmare). Watching myself play is disappointing, especially since i have an idea of what's possible in the level of control in this game.
don't worry about it, we've all been there. You'll get better the more you play, have fun! good to see a new player with a good mentality 
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Play SD.
Drowranger got locked at 0:59 but ok. Then visage got locked soon after.
Dominate a whole game with ursa, after me + 2 others having a good conversation about how and what to pick for our team.
BH offlane, ursa woods, zeus mid and said drow+visage bot.
Up against doom, venge, silencer, wr and rubick.
As said, dominating hard after the initial stages of the game. Game goes well, decent communication all around.
Come late game, we should push, I made a poor decision and becaus of that we have a teamwipe. Not that big of a deal at that stage but bad play from me. It came down to me farming while team was pushing.
So next time, Im there and we should push to win, right?
Nope, drow ranger decides to do the same trick I did. Sure enough, 4 dead again. This time, its a lot worse though and I could see us get raxed because of it. Fortunately, didnt happen.
Then ANOTHER fight where drow is solo and initiates on a rubick who OFCOURSE just lifst and his team insta-arrives to pick off drow. Meanwhile we try to rescue him but nope, all dead. I rebuy, pick off a silencer and hold off the attack, no rax down.
At this point, I could see us losing if we dont act fast, so again we want to push mid. I see an opening on rubick (he tried to bait with gem) its pretty obvious but with our nukes we should be able to pick him off and win the teamfight.
nope, drow ranger decided to move on to the top lane and leave us to die.
Raxes down, GG 1 min later.
Turns out our little friend was russian and started to yell at me after I called him out on his mistake (so did he with mine earlier)
I just asked to please report our russian game throwing friend. big mistake. I should really learn that in a game where 80% of the players are russian, I cant start to yell at russians because no matter how bad they are, they will defend.
Leave game, 10 hour low prio. GG NO RE. I just shouldn't talk anymore I guess. Protip: Praise russians and never call them bad, or low prio is your destination.
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