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Elenar
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden137 Posts
February 01 2013 21:31 GMT
#6621
A lot of people co,plain its not worth playing support but after playing random my first 100-150 games I started play Kotl only Going wards and courier at start, mek, hex etc. I started winning more then I lost and reached high mm where kotl is even better. Even every other game where u dominate you can go carry kotl with dagon, etc .

So just find your goto support hero and do your best and you will start winning. It sucks though when your team picks no carry and you cant finish .
RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 22:13:17
February 01 2013 22:00 GMT
#6622
On February 02 2013 06:31 Elenar wrote:
A lot of people co,plain its not worth playing support but after playing random my first 100-150 games I started play Kotl only Going wards and courier at start, mek, hex etc. I started winning more then I lost and reached high mm where kotl is even better. Even every other game where u dominate you can go carry kotl with dagon, etc .

So just find your goto support hero and do your best and you will start winning. It sucks though when your team picks no carry and you cant finish .


It's a bit more complex than that. It's not as simple as picking a support hero, and playing support will cause you to win games.

You winning games is mostly a factor of you playing better. Some people tend to find supports easier to play better, and by playing better, you enable your team to get more victories.


I think, probably the biggest increase to my skill came not when I decided to stick to my support role (kotl really is OP ), but when I started realizing all the different ways you can win a game, as a support. If you have a carry who can potentially out-carry their entire team, or at least stand toe-to-toe, buying wards/flying and grabbing a mek at some point is really good, because you enable your carries to farm, and your mid to gank. I call this type of support "enabling" support.

You can also shift to more of a "playmaker" role, if you don't trust your mid, or if they have a heavy carry line-up. This involved less buying wards, and more running around the map like a chicken with your head cut off, trying to force fights anyway possible where you will come out ahead.

I also like the "deal-with-me-or-die" support role which is just pushing all lanes, and the "carry from behind", where you slowly build up carry items, becoming more and more effective as the game progresses.

Having more ways to win a game underneath your belt is the most surefire way to win more (pub) games. This advice extends to carries and mid-laners, and all roles.


My QQ for the day: Nyx assasin. Why does this hero even exists? Its sole purpose is to troll supports. I haven't been in a game with Nyx that I honestly thought was a good game, because he ruins everything. I hope he gets nerfed again... 0 cd invis with a huge nuke/stun combo.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
February 01 2013 22:31 GMT
#6623
Lane these heroes:
Dark Seer, KotL, AM, Gyro and SF.


AM + Gyro safelane, SF and DS offlane and KotL mid. That's what our AM insisted on despite me arguing that SF should have been mid. This guy just HAD to go with his friend Gyro and apparently "DS and KoTL together is a bad idea, two supports in one lane."
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Elenar
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden137 Posts
February 01 2013 22:37 GMT
#6624
On February 02 2013 07:00 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 06:31 Elenar wrote:
A lot of people co,plain its not worth playing support but after playing random my first 100-150 games I started play Kotl only Going wards and courier at start, mek, hex etc. I started winning more then I lost and reached high mm where kotl is even better. Even every other game where u dominate you can go carry kotl with dagon, etc .

So just find your goto support hero and do your best and you will start winning. It sucks though when your team picks no carry and you cant finish .


It's a bit more complex than that. It's not as simple as picking a support hero, and playing support will cause you to win games.

You winning games is mostly a factor of you playing better. Some people tend to find supports easier to play better, and by playing better, you enable your team to get more victories.


I think, probably the biggest increase to my skill came not when I decided to stick to my support role (kotl really is OP ), but when I started realizing all the different ways you can win a game, as a support. If you have a carry who can potentially out-carry their entire team, or at least stand toe-to-toe, buying wards/flying and grabbing a mek at some point is really good, because you enable your carries to farm, and your mid to gank. I call this type of support "enabling" support.

You can also shift to more of a "playmaker" role, if you don't trust your mid, or if they have a heavy carry line-up. This involved less buying wards, and more running around the map like a chicken with your head cut off, trying to force fights anyway possible where you will come out ahead.

I also like the "deal-with-me-or-die" support role which is just pushing all lanes, and the "carry from behind", where you slowly build up carry items, becoming more and more effective as the game progresses.

Having more ways to win a game underneath your belt is the most surefire way to win more (pub) games. This advice extends to carries and mid-laners, and all roles.


My QQ for the day: Nyx assasin. Why does this hero even exists? Its sole purpose is to troll supports. I haven't been in a game with Nyx that I honestly thought was a good game, because he ruins everything. I hope he gets nerfed again... 0 cd invis with a huge nuke/stun combo.


What hero would you suggest to develop my gameplay, im good at supporting, ok at initiators and bad at carrying?
Elenar
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden137 Posts
February 01 2013 23:02 GMT
#6625
seriously russian naix vs sf mid......
Froob
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom342 Posts
February 01 2013 23:06 GMT
#6626
What hero would you suggest to develop my gameplay, im good at supporting, ok at initiators and bad at carrying?


Furion, his potential global presence will force you to improve your game sense

he is useful all game due to his pushing potential and can fill the late game carry role due to his ability to flash farm

he's also a glass cannon pretty much all game so your micro should improve
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hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 23:21:03
February 01 2013 23:14 GMT
#6627
teammates that insist on engaging without me (as the fed as fuck carry)

we had a huge HUUUUUUUGE lead and nearly threw it away after losing team fight after team fight

thankfully a maxed SF is fucking RRRAAAAAAAAPEEEEEE

and then I noticed that I'm about to reach my win streak

afraid to push the "find match" button now




as for a good basic 'support' hero, guess you can't go wrong with Lich. Lina is also a really nice, simple support that can mid&initiate ganks, I love AA because he has one of the best ultis in the game and he's only really got '1' skill (aka his other two skills are sorta mediocre) so you can focus on using only his Q and Ulti
RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
February 01 2013 23:31 GMT
#6628
On February 02 2013 08:06 Froob wrote:
Show nested quote +
What hero would you suggest to develop my gameplay, im good at supporting, ok at initiators and bad at carrying?


Furion, his potential global presence will force you to improve your game sense

he is useful all game due to his pushing potential and can fill the late game carry role due to his ability to flash farm

he's also a glass cannon pretty much all game so your micro should improve


Disagree, Furion puts your teammates at a net-loss for their gold compared to what it would be if furion wasn't in the game. This means you are forced to being an effective member of the team, or your team has to be able to overcome the handicap you gave them.

I suggest you vary your heroes and roles until you find a few roles you like. Some heroes are more versatile than others, and I like it when people trying to get better practice on those heroes.

What is really the best way to get better, though, is to get a gameplan in your head about how you want to win, then get mad when it doesn't work.

I propose three challenges to the dota 2 community to improve their breadth of gameplay:

Challenge 1: Try to pick VS or CM, and gank 2 lanes before 3 minutes, putting your team ahead for the rest of the game. Maintain the lead until you win.

Challenge 2: Defuse a strong carry starting to spiral out of control by leading team-ganks repeatedly on them

Challenge 3: Push in a lane to racks the enemy team before 20 minutes, before the other team can assemble to try to stop you
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
Enzymatic
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1301 Posts
February 02 2013 00:01 GMT
#6629
Random QQ...

I hate when fucking try-hards run shit like roaming VS in ap games.
"Who hired this awful fountain gunner? He can't hit shit." - Yiss
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
February 02 2013 00:41 GMT
#6630
Three games tonight. Three losses.

First one as above.

Second one Kunkka decides to go top with Troll. Between them they feed Luna about ten kills in fifteen minutes. GG. On the upside I did ok microing with Visage, I guess all that practicing with Meepo vs bots is paying off with my multitasking.

Third one. QoP manages to feed the hell out of Pudge mid who then goes roaming. Huskar got hooked by Pudge when he had hardly any life and then bitched at me (on Lich) because I didn't frost armour him despite the fact he was going to die ANYWAY and doing so would probably have slowed me enough for their other team members to get me. Only person on the whole team with a positive K/D was Doom (who had been laning with me). Just no chance.


Seriously, why are people SO BAD? Feeders, feeders everywhere. I wouldn't mind if they were dying on supports to save carries but they're not, they're just dying over and over and over.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
February 02 2013 02:00 GMT
#6631
On February 02 2013 09:41 Lightspeaker wrote:
Three games tonight. Three losses.

First one as above.

Second one Kunkka decides to go top with Troll. Between them they feed Luna about ten kills in fifteen minutes. GG. On the upside I did ok microing with Visage, I guess all that practicing with Meepo vs bots is paying off with my multitasking.

Third one. QoP manages to feed the hell out of Pudge mid who then goes roaming. Huskar got hooked by Pudge when he had hardly any life and then bitched at me (on Lich) because I didn't frost armour him despite the fact he was going to die ANYWAY and doing so would probably have slowed me enough for their other team members to get me. Only person on the whole team with a positive K/D was Doom (who had been laning with me). Just no chance.


Seriously, why are people SO BAD? Feeders, feeders everywhere. I wouldn't mind if they were dying on supports to save carries but they're not, they're just dying over and over and over.


Maybe they're not bad, but you're really quite good?
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
February 02 2013 03:09 GMT
#6632
On February 01 2013 07:24 Asha` wrote:
it is idiot day today in my bracket.

tide who builds treads into vlads.
venge who decides to play carry with 3 melee carries already in the line up and bitches at everyone else for wards
russian duo pair who whine incessantly over in game audio while being unusually awful (if you can't micro familiars, why not just don't pick visage rather than pick him and never take his ulti)

oh well


Hey, that used to be a totally legit build.... back when Visage had Manaburn, Frenzy and Blink.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Narw
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland884 Posts
February 02 2013 03:20 GMT
#6633
On February 02 2013 09:01 Enzymatic wrote:
Random QQ...

I hate when fucking try-hards run shit like roaming VS in ap games.


When i play Venge i always roam (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
February 02 2013 05:12 GMT
#6634
On February 02 2013 12:20 Narw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 09:01 Enzymatic wrote:
Random QQ...

I hate when fucking try-hards run shit like roaming VS in ap games.


When i play Venge i always roam (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((


roamer vs best vs!

on a related note, i am not sure why people expect mid to come gank sidelanes instead of sidelane helping mid actively so team can have easier game. I need to move to china.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
February 02 2013 05:46 GMT
#6635
Not a QQ on bad players, but just interesting situation. Friend and I queue with some random players, and have a great game. Everyone is friendly with each other etc. Next game, one of the guys on our team is now on the other team. We proceed to lose this game, but the same guy on our team last game proceeds to trash talk the shit out of our team. Dota players are such fickle people sometimes .
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
Kyrillion
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation748 Posts
February 02 2013 06:22 GMT
#6636
Third one. QoP manages to feed the hell out of Pudge mid who then goes roaming.



I've seen a lot of things in DOTA but I would never have imagined that happening. I take it nothing is impossible in that game. Literally nothing.
If you seek well, you shall find.
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
February 02 2013 12:55 GMT
#6637
Me and a friend queue together. We end up matched against a 5 man stack. Their lanes and picks?

PL/KotL safe lane, Silencer mid and a Sand King/Lina lane. How the heck are you supposed to win against this? We hold till mid game and take their outer towers, but then ultra farmed PL happens. You guys want to defend? LOL KOTL BLAST AND PL ILLUSIONS.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
February 02 2013 13:11 GMT
#6638
No treant furion best furion...

...

sigh
McTeazy
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada297 Posts
February 02 2013 14:41 GMT
#6639
playing a game with a 4 stack, starts off mostly ok, though i end up going Rubik mid after buying courier.

Then the stack proceeds too feed drow a mega kill. she finishes the game under 30 minutes 25-0.

next game i random brood and feed Naga+ lion lane
a person is smart, people are stupid
GentleDrill
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom672 Posts
February 02 2013 15:56 GMT
#6640
Apparently QoP is a support.
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