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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 17 2017 19:54 GMT
#7121
On October 18 2017 01:12 RuiBarbO wrote:
You're a beast, Torte.


hey thanks man, I appreciate that!!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-19 07:28:16
October 19 2017 06:32 GMT
#7122
After 15 days (October 3 to October 18), we have risen from 267,238,638 to 271,285,269 combined subscriptions

A difference of 4,046,631
Average Subscribers per Guide is 1,761,592.66
Growth Percentage is 1.51%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Vengeful Spirit (Core) (562,701)
  2. Monkey King (Roamer) (463,988)
  3. Naga Siren (Support) (433,904)
  4. SirActionSlacks (354,696)
  5. Underlord (Core) (351,403)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Sven
  2. Phantom Assassin
  3. Juggernaut
  4. Faceless Void
  5. Slark


Newly Released Guides:




    Patreon.com/Torte, this project continues to be made possible by the contributions of:

    Alfred Vogl, Michael Carmody, Cam Connor, Thane Brimhall, Mathew Buhler, Sean McMurray, szymond70, James, Leonardo Lambertini, Sutas, Nicholas Chlumecky, Bartlomiej Jan Pasek, Jade Wardle, Dice, Vodka, Kilataco Andrew Krigline, Garbarise, Andrew Heckathorn, Demartan, Captain Marvelous, Christian Traeger, Katilyn McDougle, Benjamin Richter, dsrtfx_xx, Christopher 'HYphY' Horrall, Michael Kaeser, Lowe Schmidt, Tony Heugh, James Merrill, Guitaringegg, JimmaDaRustla, Daxdiv, Ryan Goss, Nate Hubbard, The WLD Crew, Matthew Nami, AD2L, LordDay, tale, Luke Mirman, Jose Cacho, Eric Barett, Cornelius Pfohl, JJ Sigler, Mr Magnificent, Ian Lunderskov, Unfun, Douglas Hitchcock, Kistaro Windrider, Nick Mayo, Paul Martindale, Liam Metzeling, Stefan Chladek, George Azarias, Julian Koniger, Christopher Dickson, S J, Tyler Reid, Hursha, Aaron Bell, Cooper Johnson, Samuel Enocsson, slashershot, Igor Dolgiy, Josh Laseter, Dylan Lauritsen, Gerald Callow, zyberspace, Kjetil Kultom, Steve, Genc Musliu, Joshua Rodman, Moe Foster

    Portions of their pledges will go to long-time community members, dedicated to providing feedback to keep this collection of hero builds accurate to current standards of play.



    This latest update and hero builds changes was made possible thanks to the feedback and knowledge of the following community members. Sincere thank you to: DocSawage, Buckyman
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    neozxa
    Profile Joined August 2011
    Indonesia545 Posts
    October 20 2017 01:40 GMT
    #7123
    witb the dueling fates update coming up i can imagine the pain you have to go through to revise and edit most of the heroes affected by the updates and how they interact with the two new heroes

    not to mention the chances of them introducing new mechanics and revamping the game is pretty damn big

    so yea best of luck to you there, unfortunately i cant help much (3k mmr and still a college student so no pledges)
    Keep moving forward
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    October 20 2017 05:49 GMT
    #7124
    On October 20 2017 10:40 neozxa wrote:
    witb the dueling fates update coming up i can imagine the pain you have to go through to revise and edit most of the heroes affected by the updates and how they interact with the two new heroes

    not to mention the chances of them introducing new mechanics and revamping the game is pretty damn big

    so yea best of luck to you there, unfortunately i cant help much (3k mmr and still a college student so no pledges)


    I welcome all feedback regardless of MMR.
    Thanks for the moral support <3
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    October 21 2017 09:13 GMT
    #7125
    Spirit Breaker
    New Talent Tree: 10 (+5 All Stats), 15 (+5 Armor), 20 (+120 Gold/Min), 25 (+500 Charge Speed)
    Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
    Added Clarity to Starting Items
    Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
    Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items
    Added Glimmer Cape to Extension Items
    Added Solar Cres to Extension Items
    Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
    Moved Magic Wand to Early Game
    Moved Blade Mail to Core Items
    Moved Shadow Blade to Situational Items
    Moved Heaven's Halbered to Extension Items
    Moved Crimson Guard to Extension Items
    Removed Stout Shield
    Removed Echo Sabre
    Removed Silver Edge
    Removed Assault Cuirass
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    October 21 2017 09:14 GMT
    #7126
    Publishing.
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    tehh4ck3r
    Profile Joined August 2013
    Magrathea7086 Posts
    October 21 2017 16:08 GMT
    #7127
    MK should have blight stone in early game items I think
    AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
    harodihg
    Profile Blog Joined November 2013
    Japan1344 Posts
    October 21 2017 19:52 GMT
    #7128
    A new guy I was helping teach dota is using your guides and they're helping him out tremendously, great stuff Turtleteeny
    Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
    Erasme
    Profile Blog Joined February 2011
    Bahamas15899 Posts
    October 22 2017 00:34 GMT
    #7129
    hey man i think you should add a second wraith band for early game on sniper
    also basher to situationnal
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2017-10-22 08:36:20
    October 22 2017 08:35 GMT
    #7130
    On October 22 2017 04:52 harodihg wrote:
    A new guy I was helping teach dota is using your guides and they're helping him out tremendously, great stuff Turtleteeny


    Glad to hear, thanks!

    On October 22 2017 01:08 tehh4ck3r wrote:
    MK should have blight stone in early game items I think


    Which build? We have OOV for both I believe and Deso is in Extension Items so that Blight Stone won't be upgraded until later.
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2017-10-22 08:46:37
    October 22 2017 08:39 GMT
    #7131
    On October 22 2017 09:34 Erasme wrote:
    hey man i think you should add a second wraith band for early game on sniper
    also basher to situationnal


    On June 05 2016 11:31 Erasme wrote:
    Ya i dont see where i was a dick but if you don't put veil as core in any skywrath build then your builds are shit. Like LMAO sure take the advices of 4ks players instead of mine
    I'm pretty sure if i had the time i would correct all of your builds but lets be honest, its not worth the time. Especially since you don't value my advices
    Show nested quote +
    On June 05 2016 07:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
    For Core - Skywrath. I do not see Veil consistently being bought first (see previous posts)

    Support - the most recent match was Veil, but I will continue looking. But I am not sure if it is consistently bought.




    I don't acknowledge suggestions given with the wrong attitude or tone.
    I get private messages from 6k-7k players who think their word is gospel or above everyone else's. Either they don't want to communicate their feedback publicly or want a private line with me where I just do what they say.

    That isn't what this project is and condescension is disliked.

    You are simply wrong.


    Welcome back.

    Can add second wraith band before Aquila.

    edit: done.
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    tehh4ck3r
    Profile Joined August 2013
    Magrathea7086 Posts
    October 22 2017 16:59 GMT
    #7132
    On October 22 2017 17:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On October 22 2017 04:52 harodihg wrote:
    A new guy I was helping teach dota is using your guides and they're helping him out tremendously, great stuff Turtleteeny


    Glad to hear, thanks!

    Show nested quote +
    On October 22 2017 01:08 tehh4ck3r wrote:
    MK should have blight stone in early game items I think


    Which build? We have OOV for both I believe and Deso is in Extension Items so that Blight Stone won't be upgraded until later.


    Roamer
    even if it doesn’t get upgraded it’s still value I think
    AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    October 22 2017 21:38 GMT
    #7133
    On October 23 2017 01:59 tehh4ck3r wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On October 22 2017 17:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
    On October 22 2017 04:52 harodihg wrote:
    A new guy I was helping teach dota is using your guides and they're helping him out tremendously, great stuff Turtleteeny


    Glad to hear, thanks!

    On October 22 2017 01:08 tehh4ck3r wrote:
    MK should have blight stone in early game items I think


    Which build? We have OOV for both I believe and Deso is in Extension Items so that Blight Stone won't be upgraded until later.


    Roamer
    even if it doesn’t get upgraded it’s still value I think

    Blight Stone AND OOV?

    Biggest issue is I can't find much roamer MK data - got an example?

    Lastly, thoughts on Bfury MK?
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    tehh4ck3r
    Profile Joined August 2013
    Magrathea7086 Posts
    October 22 2017 22:29 GMT
    #7134
    Nothing formal but based on quick glances at roamers here https://www.opendota.com/explorer?select=&hero=114&laneRole=&side=&result=&playerPurchased=&tier=premium&league=&player=&team=&organization=&minDate=&group=&region=&minPatch=7.06

    seems like most roamers are purchasing both
    haven't played core MK at all so i don't really have an opinion on bfury
    AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    October 25 2017 12:03 GMT
    #7135
    I can't seem to find it consistently for all roamers.
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2017-10-25 12:04:32
    October 25 2017 12:04 GMT
    #7136
    I'm now adding total changes made throughout the years.

    2013 was 4333 changes - we'll see what 2014-2016 were like.
    No longer making any more hero build changes until 7.07 - not sure if I will even do it until I know what my schedule is like.
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    October 26 2017 09:56 GMT
    #7137
    2013: (4333 total changes)
    2014: (4641 total changes)
    2015: (7759 total changes)
    2016: (4371 total changes)
    2017: --
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Buckyman
    Profile Joined May 2014
    1364 Posts
    October 27 2017 04:36 GMT
    #7138
    Regardless of what the browser version of Faceless Void shows, the in-game version is still showing Vlad's instead of MoM.

    Speaking of which, I feel like Iron Talon is no longer worthwhile with the MoM build.
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    October 27 2017 07:13 GMT
    #7139
    On October 27 2017 13:36 Buckyman wrote:
    Regardless of what the browser version of Faceless Void shows, the in-game version is still showing Vlad's instead of MoM.

    Speaking of which, I feel like Iron Talon is no longer worthwhile with the MoM build.


    Screenshot plz? I used the Void build today.
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Buckyman
    Profile Joined May 2014
    1364 Posts
    Last Edited: 2017-10-28 04:33:51
    October 27 2017 18:18 GMT
    #7140
    screenshot:
    + Show Spoiler +
    [image loading]


    Professional Faceless Void players seem to be building mainly Mask of Madness -> Shadow Blade right now.
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