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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4135 Posts
August 11 2015 14:56 GMT
#10441
According AsRock, I can use until 1866mhz Rams. http://www.asrock.com/mb/memory/870 Extreme3.pdf
Should I upgrade from 1333mhz to 1600 or 1866mhz? I think 40€ for 4GB (ddr3 is already >5 yrs old) is espensive.
I only play Blizzard games. I was thinking about to buy a new pc, but why if the current one works well?
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20300 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 16:02:35
August 11 2015 15:54 GMT
#10442
The cost to upgrade from slower RAM to faster is much greater than just buying faster RAM in the first place. Also, memory controller performance is improving constantly; on older CPU's it often makes less of a difference.

Some CPU's get way higher memory performance and memory performance gains from faster RAM than others. You can put the same RAM on an fx8350 and a 4570k and get ~1.5x (or even higher) memory speeds on the Haswell system. That plays a part in when memory speed helps and doesn't help - if the memory controller can't get much more performance out of it, there's nothing to gain.

Haswell and Skylake are excellent there, they can use very fast memory and benefit a lot from it
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4135 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 16:25:47
August 11 2015 16:22 GMT
#10443
I use AMD 1055T 2.8Ghz 6Cores. Go or No?
If yes, what about DS/SS or is useless?
Do I need some change at BIOS? My motherboard can use 8GB RAM too. Win7 64.

Sorry for noob questions.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20300 Posts
August 11 2015 16:33 GMT
#10444
I use AMD 1055T 2.8Ghz 6Cores. Go or No?


not worth replacing RAM just to get higher performance RAM

DS/SS?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4135 Posts
August 11 2015 17:14 GMT
#10445
ok thx.
No idea about DS/SS but it is showed in link.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 21:19:01
August 11 2015 17:14 GMT
#10446
I'm trying to help my mom with her wi-fi signal in her flat. Unfortunately, ISP router is too bad to cover ~15 metres. I think it is HUAWEI HG530 but not 100% sure. Between router and her laptop there is: door, corridor and her door. There is a cordless phone in the room of router, the flat is made of brick if that matters.

Anyway, I have come up with a random router (www.amazon.co.uk), but I'm not sure if it'll be enough. Ideally, I wouldn't like to spend more than 50 GBP. I've heard about Netgear Nighthawk x4, but it seems too expensive and probably too strong for that scenario anyway. I could also buy a router from here: http://most.bg/catalogsearch/result/?q=router (sorry it's in Bulgarian but models are listed in English) but Amazon and Scan UK are also an option. If you pick the Bulgarian website, price could be up to 138 which is equivalent to 50 GBP.

Edit 2: Ethernet cable should be avoided if possible. I know it's the best internet connection you can get, but it's not convenient in this case.

Edit 3: The router doesn't have to support speed more than 100 mbits. This should be enough for the time being.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
August 11 2015 22:03 GMT
#10447
Old buildings often have lead piping etc and can screw with your signal big time. My parents had the same issue and for them the solution was a second router at a different spot instead of a single stronger one.
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey779 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 22:10:56
August 11 2015 22:07 GMT
#10448
you can use wifi extenders (wifi to wifi) but they halve bandwidth. other than that you can use ethernet cable up to somewhere convenient and connect it a wifi access point.

a cheap aluminium foil can also be used to reflect wifi signal that's going opposite to your mom's room. my dormitory used them everywhere to redirect wifi from empty hallways into rooms.

a more exotic way is to use wall outlet routers, but they are expensive and often not reliable.

if your mom is using a cheap usb wifi receiver or laptop's internal wifi card, getting a better wifi card can help too. this may be the easiest and most effective solution.
Age of Mythology forever!
lovelyrose
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada160 Posts
August 11 2015 22:37 GMT
#10449
Hello guys,
I'm trying to help my friend with a new comp. Could you please comment on my idea for a pc and answer a few questions?

Budget etc:
+ Show Spoiler +

What is your budget?
$1000-$1500 pre tax/shipping

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1080p

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Ultra. Marvel Heroes for the main part

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Video Editing

Do you intend to overclock?
No

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Never

Do you need an operating system?
Yes

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
He's had problems with overheating in the past, and his room can get quite hot so I'm a bit worried about that.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
I'll be ordering everything through NCIX.


Build:
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/cZvdQ7

He currently uses Phenom II 955 with a GTX 660, no SSD.

I found it hard to find a nicely priced HSF on NCIX so ended up with the NH-D14, as heat's been a problem in the past I'd much rather have overkill than under. I'm wondering if it's still too much, and if case air flow might be a problem as I hear that style of GPU is quite dependent on it.

Also wondering if the parts and prices are fine, I'm underbudget but overspending is overspending. Any and all comments and criticisms are welcome.

Thanks
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 22:46:22
August 11 2015 22:45 GMT
#10450
On August 12 2015 07:03 B.I.G. wrote:
Old buildings often have lead piping etc and can screw with your signal big time. My parents had the same issue and for them the solution was a second router at a different spot instead of a single stronger one.


How easy is it to tell a second router to get internet from the first one? Do you just connect them by ethernet cable? Do non-ISP routers have some option which says 'act as a relay' or something? I've not used a second router before.

I suppose they're connected by ethernet, then the second router has an independent network which the laptop can connect to. Is that how it is supposed to work?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
August 11 2015 22:47 GMT
#10451
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.95 @ NCIX)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($98.38 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97M-HD3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.00 @ NCIX)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.98 @ NCIX)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($429.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Blackout ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit)
Total: $1370.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-11 18:38 EDT-0400

So, my initial thought is that the i5-4690 is a non-overclockable CPU. Although you might want a custom heatsink anyways, you probably want a cheaper one like a 212 evo or something. Spending $70 on a heatsink is something people do when they plan to overclock the CPU and get higher performance at the cost of more heat. The 4690K is great for this and is what I use at home. I was able to hit 4.2 effortlessly with it, and you can probably get higher with good stability if you're spending that much on a heatsink. I hit 4.2 with a 212 evo and suffer no heat issues.

I was gonna suggest you could ge the 970 for cheaper (it's like $350 here in the states) but it looks like it's hard to get in canada.

In terms of SSDs, I've found Intel SSDs to be reasonably fast and unfailingly reliable. Go with what works for you though.

8gb is enough for gaming, but it's possible 16 will be what you need for video editing. I am not familiar with video editing and the memory requirements.

No other comments.


When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 22:52:00
August 11 2015 22:51 GMT
#10452
Why not Skylake? Too expensive at the moment? Also why not i7-4790(K) instead?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20300 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 23:15:16
August 11 2015 22:55 GMT
#10453
Skylake only has 6600k/6700k and z170 available at the moment so you're paying higher prices, there is also no stock cooler

still maybe worth it for performance in the future if OC is possibility and you're buying a cooler anyway
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
lovelyrose
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada160 Posts
August 11 2015 23:18 GMT
#10454
On August 12 2015 07:55 Cyro wrote:
Skylake only has 6600k/6700k and z170 available at the moment so you're paying higher prices, there is also no stock cooler

still maybe worth it for performance in the future if OC is possibility and you're buying a cooler anyway


Hmm, I don't think he'd ever OC. Is there actually a pretty big performance gain with skylake? Seems to add a fair bit of costs with the CPU/z170 MB/DDR4 RAM, though I guess the RAM doesn't add much cost.

The cooler's mainly just because I'm worried about temps, I figure it's overkill but I generally tend to underdo the cooling. Maybe just a stock cooler and an extra couple case fans would be safe? Or maybe a lower end cooler like a hyper 212. His room can get pretty hot though.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20300 Posts
August 12 2015 00:32 GMT
#10455
Is there actually a pretty big performance gain with skylake?


~10%, would be more for OC capability and to have new platform instead of 26 month old stuff

Maybe just a stock cooler and an extra couple case fans would be safe?


case fans barely impact cpu temperatures with a weak cpu cooler unless you have something else heating up your case that isn't handled properly (like a high powered graphics card) - just a low end but better than stock cooler should be fine.

How hot is pretty hot? I've seen people with ambients everywhere from about 12c to 40c
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
lovelyrose
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada160 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-12 00:42:49
August 12 2015 00:42 GMT
#10456

Room temp prob get up around ~30c. Was more worried about case temps, wouldn't the GTX 970 heat up the case a fair bit too?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20300 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-12 00:43:48
August 12 2015 00:43 GMT
#10457
yea but not nearly as much as some higher end or less efficient gpu's (especially at oc's)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
lovelyrose
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada160 Posts
August 12 2015 00:51 GMT
#10458
Alright, think I'll go with the 212 evo like blazinghand said. Thanks for all the help everyone
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
August 12 2015 00:56 GMT
#10459
212 evo btw is a great heatsink for OCing if you want to go for a 4690K!
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20300 Posts
August 12 2015 01:00 GMT
#10460
no reason to take haswell over skylake if ocing
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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