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Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 06:33:25
May 24 2014 09:12 GMT
#5881
Thanks for all the help everyone!

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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 10:51:50
May 24 2014 10:43 GMT
#5882
I'd spend money on a monitor that would be relevant with such GPU horsepower behind it.

$4k to play with? Hell, here's what I would do: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3PV6e

overclocked 4690k on a GA Z87X D3H board. (not out yet)
2x4 gb of speedy RAM
x2 780 Ti SLI
a single 1440p ROG SWIFT PG278Q (not out yet)
switch 820 for case
strider plus 850w fully modular PSU (might need more power for 780 ti sli?)

that puts me at $3k

which leaves $1k for two custom water loops, one for the CPU, one for the GPUs


hmm yeah that's what i would get

E: yes i'm a greedy fuck. i want nvidia gysnc, 1440p AND 120 hz.

E: not sure if getting a 4790k is better than 4690k in this build. with such budget you'd be able to stream 1080p60 at very least, I know hyperthreading would help here, not sure if it's worth it though since it adds heat. I can stream decently with a 4670 at stock clocks, at 1080p60. however I do notice the drop in performance. i imagine that an OC'd 4690k would do well in the set up I have right here, but would it stream 1080p60 while also running high-end games (think arma III) at 1440p120ish ?
yeah i think the 4790k might be slightly better then. $100 though
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
May 24 2014 14:56 GMT
#5883
On May 24 2014 19:43 Incognoto wrote:
I'd spend money on a monitor that would be relevant with such GPU horsepower behind it.

$4k to play with? Hell, here's what I would do: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3PV6e

overclocked 4690k on a GA Z87X D3H board. (not out yet)
2x4 gb of speedy RAM
x2 780 Ti SLI
a single 1440p ROG SWIFT PG278Q (not out yet)
switch 820 for case
strider plus 850w fully modular PSU (might need more power for 780 ti sli?)

that puts me at $3k

which leaves $1k for two custom water loops, one for the CPU, one for the GPUs


hmm yeah that's what i would get

E: yes i'm a greedy fuck. i want nvidia gysnc, 1440p AND 120 hz.

E: not sure if getting a 4790k is better than 4690k in this build. with such budget you'd be able to stream 1080p60 at very least, I know hyperthreading would help here, not sure if it's worth it though since it adds heat. I can stream decently with a 4670 at stock clocks, at 1080p60. however I do notice the drop in performance. i imagine that an OC'd 4690k would do well in the set up I have right here, but would it stream 1080p60 while also running high-end games (think arma III) at 1440p120ish ?
yeah i think the 4790k might be slightly better then. $100 though


CPU limited games that don't benefit from more than 4 threads often run the same on a $700 build as a $4000 build in terms of FPS

pretty much that, but z97 needed (and z97+new refreshed i5 is a week away from launch, maybe not even launched then), there are some legit reasons for wanting >8gb of RAM (though that's more than enough for most people) and some won't want to bother with custom water stuff
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
May 24 2014 14:57 GMT
#5884
On May 24 2014 18:12 Alabasern wrote:
Thanks for all the help everyone!

https://imgur.com/a/2PEsQ#0

Please visit /r/battlestations and upvote my post!
http://www.reddit.com/r/battlestations/comments/26d8of/the_highwind/


Gj!
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
May 24 2014 14:59 GMT
#5885
3840x2160 or GTFO at this price tag. Get 2x 6GB 780Ti's and call it a day.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 24 2014 15:09 GMT
#5886
I don't think 3840x2160 is anything special compared to 2560x1440 @ 120Hz for someone that ridiculously overkills everytime for the computer. I would hope he already has a 2560x1440 x3 (or better) setup.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 15:34:51
May 24 2014 15:28 GMT
#5887
Its me again. Trying one more time.

I went for the "typical professional" sample size

The store i am buying from did not have all the pieces. Buying all pieces from the same store.
I tried to do my homework but its still hard as hell for me.

The computer is used for gaming and editing.
First piece is the:
Kingston 16GB (2x8GB) CL11 2400Mhz XMP Beast Series $194
The ram works with overclocking?
It works all around good with the computer?
Any other RAM with better price available or anything like that?




The next one is:
Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H ATX $196
This motherboard can last for future upgrades?
This motherboard is good for its price?
Any other motherboard that i should get instead?



Last piece


ASUS Radeon R9 280X 3GB DirectCUII TOP+ 3 st spel (GOLD) $354
It gives me three free games. Thats what the last words are. Dunno what the TOP means, maybe something along with that to do. The gold word is not important, it is the mark for 3games only. Bronze is 1game.

I figured i didnt need the high end graphic card that was on the sample size.
This card is good for its cost?
It will work well in gaming->high setting? Good overall for gaming?
What about editor and stuff like that, its potentially solid in that regard to?

One last thing about the graphic card. I prioritise silence cards. This card is good in the silence department?


EDIT:
My budget has alot of variation. So i dont have one exactly but i wanna try and stay within these types of money.
However, if a card is $50-100 more expensive but it just pays off in the long run or something and u recommend it i would probably buy it.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 24 2014 15:35 GMT
#5888
oh that was a typo cyro, i totally meant Z97X D3H. I mean, that would be enough for SLI and I want to SLI 780 Tis. I guess you could run this on air but that's a lot of heat if you're overclocking it all, no? I'd also water cool for fun. ;p that rig i posted wasn't a recommendation for the guy requesting a build, though it's what I would build around though.

My idea of a dream set up is based around one, big, sexy monitor instead of several smaller ones.

I'd play Arma 3 on the $4k rig imo, that game looks friggin' gorgeous. It's obviously a stupidly overkill set up for SC2 and such but I wouldn't build such a thing for SC2. 120 Hz might be nice to have for RTS/mobas/fps, but you can do that with a 4690k + 750 Ti.. so.


I'm not sure what's better though, in terms of a realistic build: 1440p60 or 1080p120 w/ g-sync? I'd center the build around a single, very high end GPU (780 Ti) and obviously the i5 4690k, probably both on air to keep the costs OK.
maru lover forever
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 15:37:30
May 24 2014 15:37 GMT
#5889
@Foxxan:

If you want something for future upgrades, get a Z97 board. They should already be available. The new CPUs that will be released in a few weeks already won't work in Z87.

You really don't need such an expensive motherboard unless it has features that you need like Thunderbolt or WiFi. You will feel absolutely no difference between something expensive and something for $130 or so (actually probably same with something below $100).

There should be cheaper RAM, but I can't really say because comparing US $ is confusing because of European taxes and stuff. Just look around and buy the cheapest, also look at other speeds like 2133 MHz.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 24 2014 15:40 GMT
#5890
UD4H is only good for its price if you are actually going to use its features and overclock seriously. For most folks, the answer would be no... and for most individuals that ask, the answer would also be no.

Not sure what you mean for future upgrades. If you want to do Crossfire than yes but there are less expensive boards that are Crossfire capable as well. If you mean CPU upgrade than no... Z87 is approaching end of life and LGA1150 only has another year. Most folks do not spend $200 on a processor and than spend another $200 within a year to get a 5% or so increase in performance. Z97 is basically just a Z87 with guaranteed Broadwell support so it won't last you any longer unless you're willing to spend $200 within a year or two for a minor upgrade.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 18:17:22
May 24 2014 17:58 GMT
#5891
@Ropid
I removed the taxes and stuff. So it would be around 25% more expensive than what i gave.
When i look at the build sample i see that memory card has 2400 mhz and 1.65 voltage.
Isnt this important?

I also noticed some comments that said it wasnt certain some memory cards could fit nicely if u had a heatsink. Cuz of the length of the memory card. Is this something to fear or does that case in the sample size work wonder so its no problem in those regards?
This comment was actually on the RAM card i picked...Hmm.


Replaced the motherboard with:
Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H
The total price for me is $160. Divide it with 25% and its $129.
I take this one unless someone has anything bad to say about it


About future upgrades. Like say i need 32GB RAM later, then i buy an additional 2x8 in the future. I guess i mean also if i want my computer to work with some...great editor program..heavy stuff
Iam really noob at computers. Does this computer already cover heavy programs. Wanna make models for video games and stuff(?)





Corsair AX 760W 80+ Platinum Modulär
Is this the same powersupply as in the sample size? It cost $10 more only when i divided it.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 18:12:08
May 24 2014 18:11 GMT
#5892
Noctua NH-U14S's fan will hang over the first DIMM slot on most motherboards so it won't be a problem if you are using two modules as you can just use slots 2 and 4 but if you want to use all four slots than you'll need to mount the fan as exhaust or use memory with low-profile heatspreaders. If you want to use all four modules and mount the fan as exhaust than you are limited to 41mm modules iirc, eg. G.Skill Ripjaws which are 40mm in height. Kingston Hyper Beast and Corsair Vengeance are modules with ridiculously tall heatspreaders, like 47mm, so you should probably avoid them unless they're cheap or you want the bling.

There are a lot of excellent power supplies, you don't need to necessarily get the one listed in the sample build. XFX XTR, Seasonic X, Superflower Golden Green, Antec Edge, etc.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
May 24 2014 19:19 GMT
#5893
I would avoid those if i could but the site doesnt offer very many ram memories.

Those words are so hard for me to understand. Exhaust and bling, what does those mean?
I take it as its possible now with those 47mm if i use the noctua nh-u1 right?
If it works with those and if i wanna add another two in the future, is it possible if i buy those new ones if they are under 41mm without me doing the exahaust thing.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 24 2014 19:31 GMT
#5894
[image loading]

That would be the traditional / desired fan mounting, as intake sucking air from the front of case and pushing it through the heatsink. Mounting it as exhaust would mean mounting it on the other side, so sucking air through the heatsink and pushing it out through the back of the case.

Bling means flashy, look good? Some people buy stuff simply because it looks nice.

You can mix and match in the future yes.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 19:41:40
May 24 2014 19:38 GMT
#5895
That GA-Z97-D3H board you looked at can't do SLI. I'm not a fan of SLI and think it's suspicious technology, but you should know that. If you want the option, for Gigabyte it's on the boards that have an "X" added like GA-Z97X-UD3H.

Here's a comparison picture about memory sticks: http://i.imgur.com/dQGF0qT.jpg

The ones on the right are special low-profile sticks and they work totally fine without any heat-sink. The ones on the left aren't even that large. Something like Corsair Vengeance for example looks ridiculous and the heat-sink has barely any use.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Brettatron
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada159 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 20:51:47
May 24 2014 20:37 GMT
#5896
Hey guys. I built myself a nice rig about 3 years ago now, and I think now is a good time for some upgrades.

What is your current build?

Intel Core I5 2400
ASRock H67M B3 mATX motherboard
MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr
Mushkin Enhanced Silverline Stiletto 2x2GB PC3-10666 DDR3-1333 memory
Antec Neo Eco 450c Power Supply
Western Digital Caviar Black 640 GB Sata3 7200RPM hard drive
Intel SSD (having trouble remembering which one exactly... possibly 330 series 120 GB)
Avermedia Live Gamer HD capture card
Coolermaster HAF 912 Black mid tower


What is your monitor's native resolution?

Primary: 1920x1080
Secondary: Something less than that =P Its an oldish samsung synchmaster...

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?

Honestly, because I'm itchin to get some better parts. Pretty poor reason, I know.

I want to start overclocking. Both my CPU and GPU. Neither is at the moment (CPU for obvious reasons). Mostly just to say I do.
I intend to start streaming again. I did for ~6 months and then life got the better of me. In any event, I hope to stream semi regularly again.
I haven't really noticed a lack of performance with my current rig, but maybe I don't know what I'm missing?

What is your budget?

For this upgrade I'd be receptive to around $500 - $600 CAD.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
CanadiaLand

If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.

Nope.

Basically, what is the biggest bang for my buck I can get right now? Or in a couple weeks. I hear a new processor is coming out soon?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 24 2014 20:58 GMT
#5897
GTX 760 is about ~$250, it'd be a pretty noticeable upgrade from a GTX 560 Ti.

If you want a new processor than you'll need a new motherboard. The Core i5 4690k should be out soon and it'll be around ~$270, probably closer to $300 though, and a Z97 motherboard will be somewhere around $130? Plus you'll need an aftermarket heatsink which is another $30 to $70.

So budget of $600 is not big enough to do both upgrades at once. If you are playing CPU intensive games than go for a new CPU and motherboard, otherwise get a new GPU for graphic intensive games.

A new monitor may also be a very good option if you are not noticing any lack of performance with your current setup.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 21:01:18
May 24 2014 20:58 GMT
#5898
On May 25 2014 05:37 Brettatron wrote:
Hey guys. I built myself a nice rig about 3 years ago now, and I think now is a good time for some upgrades.

What is your current build?

Intel Core I5 2400
ASRock H67M B3 mATX motherboard
MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr
Mushkin Enhanced Silverline Stiletto 2x2GB PC3-10666 DDR3-1333 memory
Antec Neo Eco 450c Power Supply
Western Digital Caviar Black 640 GB Sata3 7200RPM hard drive
Intel SSD (having trouble remembering which one exactly... possibly 330 series 120 GB)
Avermedia Live Gamer HD capture card
Coolermaster HAF 912 Black mid tower


What is your monitor's native resolution?

Primary: 1920x1080
Secondary: Something less than that =P Its an oldish samsung synchmaster...

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?

Honestly, because I'm itchin to get some better parts. Pretty poor reason, I know.

I want to start overclocking. Both my CPU and GPU. Neither is at the moment (CPU for obvious reasons). Mostly just to say I do.
I intend to start streaming again. I did for ~6 months and then life got the better of me. In any event, I hope to stream semi regularly again.
I haven't really noticed a lack of performance with my current rig, but maybe I don't know what I'm missing?

What is your budget?

For this upgrade I'd be receptive to around $500 - $600 CAD.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
CanadiaLand

If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.

Nope.

Basically, what is the biggest bang for my buck I can get right now? Or in a couple weeks. I hear a new processor is coming out soon?



The refreshed Haswell processors are supposed to be out June 2'nd (not solid date) and it could be worth getting one of those if you wanted to go from the i5 2400's 3.2ghz under 4-core load to say 4.5ghz. That'd be like >1.6x faster for video encoding* - the question is, does it matter?

For CPU upgrading, we're getting new platform and architecture around late 2015, Skylake with DDR4 RAM. You might want to wait until then, unless you want a CPU upgrade now and want to overclock.

For GPU's, we're still using the same tech for everything you would "upgrade" to aside from the 780/290+ as we were in the first months of 2012, but expecting new stuff soon(tm) (second half of 2014, maybe a little later)


*If i5-2400 can encode a certain video @100fps @3.2ghz, you'd expect a 4670k to manage about 120 - but clocked @4.5ghz (1.40625x as high, that's 120*1.4 for ~168.75% performance)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 21:33:32
May 24 2014 21:09 GMT
#5899
Never knew you could mount the fan like that. My fan right now are mounted with the back to the processor so it blows to the side of the computer. Is that weird?
Anyway, not important.

Iam not much into how it looks. So ye.


You mean those cards work WITH any heatsink, right? A typo from you?
Or did i misunderstand?


I will assume now if i put those big cards on part 2 and 4, it will work just fine. If iam wrong please say so.


Ah right, i totally forgot about that.
Gigabyte GA-Z97-D3H
I think i take this. I switch my radeon graphic card to a nividia and my future is bright. This is correct, right?
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 21:26:00
May 24 2014 21:23 GMT
#5900
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