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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
waffling1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
599 Posts
September 06 2013 16:26 GMT
#321
On September 06 2013 16:41 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
You need at least 16cm clearance for the NH-D14.


will they fit in this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146087

or this?
http://www.amazon.com/Nzxt-Technologies-Phantom-Green-Enthusiast/dp/B004WO17UC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346511049&sr=8-1&keywords=Green led computer cases
waffling1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 16:30:17
September 06 2013 16:29 GMT
#322
On September 07 2013 00:52 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 19:16 waffling1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On September 06 2013 14:06 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 10:50 waffling1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi, I'm putting a somewhat high end build. Any recommendations on power supplies?

Here is my build so far. Feel free to suggest changing any part with reasons.

[image loading]


What is your budget?
$1500 USD

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
sc2, best new release games. not necessarily Crysis. mostly strategy games.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
General use. Browsing the web. Music and movies.

Do you intend to overclock?
yes

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Maybe, if it's better than getting one strong card in terms of my usage, and in terms of performance/cost. enlighten me.

Do you need an operating system?
No.

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
U.S. California (i.e. microcenter available)

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
microcenter, newegg, tigerdirect, amazon



That case probably (certainly) doesn't have clearance for a NH-D14 since it has a side fan and isn't your typical 8" to 9" wide case. Also has molex fans, no routing holes, shit HDD cage, and so on. Getting a shitty case sort of defeats the purpose of getting a modular power supply?

Capstone is fine. If you want to do SLI/Crossfire than the Seasonic Platinum 760 is on sale right now for $140.


Thanks a bunch for your feedback.

The case is that one because this build is a for a friend, and he likes green/brown/white, and green has limited choices.

If I don't find a wide case, the U14S would work for most cases, correct?

are there any cheaper PSUs for multiGPU?
I was thinking of switching to non-modular PSU.

Can I get two graphics cards for around $300 that would perform better than the GTX 680?


M12II 750 is on sale for $80 ($60 after mail in rebate). And of course there's always Rosewill Capstone or Seasonic G for around $100-$120.

NH-U14S is actually taller than the NH-D14 so if the D14 doesn't fit than the U14S won't either.


would i need a 750W for just a single GTX 680?

would a capstone 450W work? I hear you want to be at around 50% of maximum wattage capacity. (i understand nominal wattage means nothing, but there is a difference between 750 and 450 when comparing quality PSUs right?)

skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 06 2013 16:44 GMT
#323
No you don't need 750w for a single GTX 680 and yes the Capstone 450 would work. There's a difference in wattage and price, not sure what other differences you had in mind.
Tivu
Profile Joined February 2012
United States244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 21:23:41
September 06 2013 20:45 GMT
#324
I plan on building my gaming pc here pretty soon and I was wondering if I should buy some different fans for the tower(Fractal Design Arc Midi R2.)?
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 20:55:17
September 06 2013 20:48 GMT
#325
On September 07 2013 01:26 waffling1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 16:41 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
You need at least 16cm clearance for the NH-D14.


will they fit in this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146087

or this?
http://www.amazon.com/Nzxt-Technologies-Phantom-Green-Enthusiast/dp/B004WO17UC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346511049&sr=8-1&keywords=Green led computer cases


Fits in both, I think you need to remove one side fan on the lower one.
e. I'm not even sure if there is a fan there by default.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 06 2013 21:05 GMT
#326
On September 07 2013 05:45 Tivu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I plan on building my gaming pc here pretty soon and I was wondering if I should buy some different for computer which has 3 140mm fans in it? The case is Fractal Design Arc Midi R2.

What?
Muecke
Profile Joined July 2013
Germany150 Posts
September 06 2013 21:09 GMT
#327
On September 07 2013 01:29 waffling1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 00:52 skyR wrote:
On September 06 2013 19:16 waffling1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On September 06 2013 14:06 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 10:50 waffling1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi, I'm putting a somewhat high end build. Any recommendations on power supplies?

Here is my build so far. Feel free to suggest changing any part with reasons.

[image loading]


What is your budget?
$1500 USD

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
sc2, best new release games. not necessarily Crysis. mostly strategy games.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
General use. Browsing the web. Music and movies.

Do you intend to overclock?
yes

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Maybe, if it's better than getting one strong card in terms of my usage, and in terms of performance/cost. enlighten me.

Do you need an operating system?
No.

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
U.S. California (i.e. microcenter available)

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
microcenter, newegg, tigerdirect, amazon



That case probably (certainly) doesn't have clearance for a NH-D14 since it has a side fan and isn't your typical 8" to 9" wide case. Also has molex fans, no routing holes, shit HDD cage, and so on. Getting a shitty case sort of defeats the purpose of getting a modular power supply?

Capstone is fine. If you want to do SLI/Crossfire than the Seasonic Platinum 760 is on sale right now for $140.


Thanks a bunch for your feedback.

The case is that one because this build is a for a friend, and he likes green/brown/white, and green has limited choices.

If I don't find a wide case, the U14S would work for most cases, correct?

are there any cheaper PSUs for multiGPU?
I was thinking of switching to non-modular PSU.

Can I get two graphics cards for around $300 that would perform better than the GTX 680?


M12II 750 is on sale for $80 ($60 after mail in rebate). And of course there's always Rosewill Capstone or Seasonic G for around $100-$120.

NH-U14S is actually taller than the NH-D14 so if the D14 doesn't fit than the U14S won't either.


would i need a 750W for just a single GTX 680?

would a capstone 450W work? I hear you want to be at around 50% of maximum wattage capacity. (i understand nominal wattage means nothing, but there is a difference between 750 and 450 when comparing quality PSUs right?)



500W (80+) is more than enough for any single-gpu combo. I always freak out when i see these builds with 750W+ PSUs.
Tivu
Profile Joined February 2012
United States244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 21:26:46
September 06 2013 21:21 GMT
#328
On September 07 2013 06:05 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 05:45 Tivu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I plan on building my gaming pc here pretty soon and I was wondering if I should buy some different fans for the tower(Fractal Design Arc Midi R2.)?

What?


I edited the last post. Sorry about that.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 06 2013 21:25 GMT
#329
On September 07 2013 06:21 Tivu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 06:05 skyR wrote:
On September 07 2013 05:45 Tivu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I plan on building my gaming pc here pretty soon and I was wondering if I should buy some different fans for the tower(Fractal Design Arc Midi R2.)?

What?


I edited the last post. Sorry about that.

You don't need to buy different fans. The included ones are quite good already and you can probably use the $40 or so to improve on other parts.
Tivu
Profile Joined February 2012
United States244 Posts
September 06 2013 21:42 GMT
#330
On September 07 2013 06:25 skyR wrote:
You don't need to buy different fans. The included ones are quite good already and you can probably use the $40 or so to improve on other parts.


That's what I thought too but I wasn't sure. Thanks for the help skyR!
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-07 00:03:39
September 06 2013 23:49 GMT
#331
Hi Hi
Rome Total War 2 reminded me that it might be about time to upgrade my PC/video card.

What is your current build?
I'm running i7-920, 6gb of RAM (3x2gb), and have a GTX 295. (+1000w psu, LGA-1366 mobo [GA-EX58-UD5])

What is your monitor's native resolution?

1920-1080

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?

Increase performance in games (RTW at ultra settings runs at 10-15 fps, would like to get 35-50 at least)

What is your budget?

up to $1000, but as little as possible, I'm assuming I won't have to buy that many parts.

What country will you be buying your parts in?

USA

If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.

Amazon/newegg

I'm guessing that my best bet is to upgrade the video card for now (plz lemme know if I'm wrong). Should I buy a second 295 (prolly used on ebay), or should I just go with a brand new card? How much difference could either make? I'm prepared to spend a lot for a video card if it will lead to significant improvement and will be future-proof. Did same with gtx295 four years ago, seems to have been worth it.
Also would getting 2x 4gb ram increase performance enough to justify the purchase?
Thanks in advance
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 07 2013 00:21 GMT
#332
On September 07 2013 08:49 iokke wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi Hi
Rome Total War 2 reminded me that it might be about time to upgrade my PC/video card.

What is your current build?
I'm running i7-920, 6gb of RAM (3x2gb), and have a GTX 295. (+1000w psu, LGA-1366 mobo [GA-EX58-UD5])

What is your monitor's native resolution?

1920-1080

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?

Increase performance in games (RTW at ultra settings runs at 10-15 fps, would like to get 35-50 at least)

What is your budget?

up to $1000, but as little as possible, I'm assuming I won't have to buy that many parts.

What country will you be buying your parts in?

USA

If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.

Amazon/newegg

I'm guessing that my best bet is to upgrade the video card for now (plz lemme know if I'm wrong). Should I buy a second 295 (prolly used on ebay), or should I just go with a brand new card? How much difference could either make? I'm prepared to spend a lot for a video card if it will lead to significant improvement and will be future-proof. Did same with gtx295 four years ago, seems to have been worth it.
Also would getting 2x 4gb ram increase performance enough to justify the purchase?
Thanks in advance


You need a strong CPU and GPU for Rome 2.

The game at this time doesn't have SLI support and quad-SLI support in general is crap so a second GTX 295 is a very bad idea unless it's free.
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-07 00:51:57
September 07 2013 00:51 GMT
#333
Thanks for the reply, so i7-920 isn't enough (Quad core at 2.67ghz)?
Ok no 2nd 295, and I guess even single 295 isn't working at full capacity since it's basically 2 cards in SLI in 1. Would upgrading to a better videocard alone provide a significant performance increase in Rome 2 and other games? Or is my entire system outdated, without a particular bottleneck?
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 07 2013 02:03 GMT
#334
Like Starcraft II, Rome 2 is CPU dependent. Upgrading the video card will provide a performance increase but you'd still drop to 10 FPS in the later stages of the game.
waffling1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
599 Posts
September 07 2013 05:07 GMT
#335
On September 07 2013 01:44 skyR wrote:
No you don't need 750w for a single GTX 680 and yes the Capstone 450 would work. There's a difference in wattage and price, not sure what other differences you had in mind.


i was thinking if 450W would be too close to the maximum, and if a higher wattage would result in the system using wattage closer to 50% (or whatever the optimum percentage is) of the maximum wattage
-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
September 07 2013 05:52 GMT
#336
Hey, wondering if I'll be able to support a second 21 inch monitor.

Currently running and i5 2400 and GTX 460 on a 430 watt PSU. I'm wondering if 430 watts will be enough.
3 Hatch Before Cool
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 07 2013 05:57 GMT
#337
On September 07 2013 14:07 waffling1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On September 07 2013 01:44 skyR wrote:
No you don't need 750w for a single GTX 680 and yes the Capstone 450 would work. There's a difference in wattage and price, not sure what other differences you had in mind.


i was thinking if 450W would be too close to the maximum, and if a higher wattage would result in the system using wattage closer to 50% (or whatever the optimum percentage is) of the maximum wattage


An i7 and GTX 680 is like 300w under load, a 450w is fine. If you are doing some more heavy overclocks and stressing both the CPU and GPU regularly than I guess a 550w would be more suited.

On September 07 2013 14:52 -Kaiser- wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey, wondering if I'll be able to support a second 21 inch monitor.

Currently running and i5 2400 and GTX 460 on a 430 watt PSU. I'm wondering if 430 watts will be enough.


Yes, a GTX 460 can support two monitors. The power supply doesn't provide power to monitors so that's irrelevant.
Hadronsbecrazy
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom551 Posts
September 07 2013 07:49 GMT
#338
This isnt really a an upgrade as such , just a general question. When looking to buy a fan cooler what should one look for? The theoretical heat dissipation it says? or whatever fits in the case you are looking to buy?
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
September 07 2013 09:45 GMT
#339
The theoretical heat dissipation it says?


I have no idea how this is actually measured. Heat plates? Either way it's irrelevant, because a hyper 212 could for example hold an fx-8350 pulling over 200 watts at 55c while a 4770k pulling 100 would go to 100c with it. You can't judge on such a value

You should be asking on forums etc for price vs performance and absolute performance, i would say look at reviews but very many reviews are really quite bad, especially from Tomshardware and Anandtech.

Just ask what you want to cool, say what you're looking to spend or ask what you should spend, people will help you out on sites like this or www.overclock.net
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-07 20:40:18
September 07 2013 20:18 GMT
#340
On September 07 2013 11:03 skyR wrote:
Like Starcraft II, Rome 2 is CPU dependent. Upgrading the video card will provide a performance increase but you'd still drop to 10 FPS in the later stages of the game.


I see, was hoping i7-920 was enough but after playing some more Rome i guess it isn't. Takes like a minute for each turn to end when Comp makes it's moves for example.

I can't afford to upgrade everything at once so decided to do it in parts. What would make sense to upgrade first?
Motherobard + cpu from i7920 to i7 4770k (or i5) and Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H
or GPU from gtx 295 to gtx 770 (780 for more future proof)?

Also a bigger question is, how much can I reasonably ask for my current system? i7-920 quadcore 2.67ghz, gtx-295, 6gb ram, 1tb hd, dvd-rw, 1000w psu that is 4 years old. Have a friend that needs a comp so if I can sell it to him I can build a full brand new comp, but I really have no idea what would be a fair price

Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
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