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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 06:50:32
December 26 2011 06:49 GMT
#16601
On December 26 2011 15:44 Divinek wrote:
So what kind of 24" monitors are gonna be going for around 100~ on boxing day? I'm looking on ncix right now and nothings near that price yet, but is there anyway to know which ones are going to be dropping low?

And is the 500$ budget one from this thread

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=271861

most likely the best deal ill be able to get from canada? And will it most likely be even cheaper on boxing day?


Are you going to be lining up or what? There is a Samsung at NCIX store-only for $100. All the sub $100 ~24" monitors on NCIX already sold out. There's an Acer at CC for $110 (in-store only). There's a BenQ at ME for $100.

Pricing does not go down on boxing day. What you see is what you get. Stocks may get refreshed or new items may get added but pricing on the current sale never goes down, it can only go up.

The best monitor deal in Canada is the U2312HM at $200.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
December 26 2011 07:01 GMT
#16602
On December 26 2011 15:49 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2011 15:44 Divinek wrote:
So what kind of 24" monitors are gonna be going for around 100~ on boxing day? I'm looking on ncix right now and nothings near that price yet, but is there anyway to know which ones are going to be dropping low?

And is the 500$ budget one from this thread

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=271861

most likely the best deal ill be able to get from canada? And will it most likely be even cheaper on boxing day?


Are you going to be lining up or what? There is a Samsung at NCIX store-only for $100. All the sub $100 ~24" monitors on NCIX already sold out. There's an Acer at CC for $110 (in-store only). There's a BenQ at ME for $100.

Pricing does not go down on boxing day. What you see is what you get. Stocks may get refreshed or new items may get added but pricing on the current sale never goes down, it can only go up.

The best monitor deal in Canada is the U2312HM at $200.



Ah I see thanks, I'll go ahead with that 500$ build then throw in a reasonable monitor. I'm glad you mentioned the price matching for ncix I didn't know they did that, probably save myself some money.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 26 2011 07:20 GMT
#16603
All Canadian retailers offer pricematching. And following that $500 build to a tee is a bad idea since most of those components aren't even available in Canada.
Hammer442
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 07:45:26
December 26 2011 07:44 GMT
#16604
I would like to overclock on a i5-2500K setup i am just unsure on the motherboard.

CPU - Intel Core i5 2500K
HDD - Western Digital 1TB, Caviar Blue
RAM - G.Skill 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 Kit, PC-12800 (1600Mhz)
CASE - Cooler Master HAF 912 Advanced Case
GPU - Gigabyte Geforce GTX560 Ti Overclocked
HSF - Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler

Leaning towards an Asus motherboard but am unsure on what the differences are.

What does http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/41142-p8z68-v-pro offer that http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/42091-p8z68-v-lx doesn't, for overclocking on that setup.

Is there a better option?

I was also unsure on PSU as to how much power i would need, may upgrade to gtx 570 depending on what motherboard price range i get so taking that into account for PSU aswell..

Thanks.

skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 26 2011 07:51 GMT
#16605
If you can't tell what the difference is between the two boards than you don't need the more expensive board.

But for $139, the P8Z68-M Pro would be a better choice.

A quality 500w unit is fine for an overclocked 2500k and overclocked GTX 570.
Shiwoo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States25 Posts
December 26 2011 08:59 GMT
#16606
Hey guys. I am about to purchase my computer. I was wondering what the difference in these types of RAM were. I don't think there is a difference, but I was thinking that I might as well check. Thanks

1) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178333
2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422
3) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233192

The only difference I see in the first two is that one of them is PC3 10666 and the other is PC3 10600. Does this difference matter? Matter enough to care about? Thanks guys!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 26 2011 09:04 GMT
#16607
The only difference is brand. All of them are 1333MHz cas9 @ 1.5v.
Shiwoo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States25 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 09:16:53
December 26 2011 09:08 GMT
#16608
@skyR. Thanks man, that is kind of what I figured. I am assuming that brand doesn't matter too much when coming to RAM? Do you have a preference?

edit. Nevermind. I just read that you told someone else that getting the cheapest one works. Thanks again!
Shiwoo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States25 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 09:30:34
December 26 2011 09:29 GMT
#16609
+ Show Spoiler +
Totals to $628 before mail in rebates:

Intel Core i5 2400 @ $150
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354590

HIS Radeon HD6870 @ $160 ($140 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161389

Asrock H61M-VS @ $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241

PNY 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $32
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178333

Rosewill Capstone 450 @ $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

DVD Burner @ $16
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45244&promoid=1314

Bitfenix Merc Alpha @ $40
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63256&promoid=1314

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB @ $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185


I was wondering what settings this set up would run BF3 at and if there were things that I could do to upgrade this build. My budget is 600-700 dollars. Thanks!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 26 2011 10:14 GMT
#16610
It'll run reasonably well on high at 1080p. You can upgrade to a Radeon HD6950 1GB or GTX 560 Ti if you want.
wooscums
Profile Joined July 2011
United States13 Posts
December 26 2011 10:25 GMT
#16611
+ Show Spoiler +

Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 PRO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131771

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

GPU: Nvidia GTX 460GT 1GB
ALREADY HAVE

Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428

PSU: Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-620 620W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371048

Hard Drive: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&Tpk=Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB

Case: COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216

Heatsink: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

Disc Drive: LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106335&Tpk=Lite-On iHAS424-98

~$800


Hey guys so this is my first time putting together a computer, and I was wondering how this build would perform on SC2 at 1080p and high settings while streaming/recording, assuming that my internet can handle it. And is it price efficient? thanks! :D
Shiwoo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States25 Posts
December 26 2011 10:27 GMT
#16612
Will upgrading only the GPU allow me to run games at a higher quality? For instance, 2 years from now if I wanted to play BF4 (an example) on Ultra, could I upgrade just the GPU to do this? Or would it be a number of things? Or is not so black and white?

BTW: I appreciate what you do. Giving advice to people like me is really giving me an interest in computers and building them. It makes the experience a hundred times better and I thank you (and others).
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 10:47:35
December 26 2011 10:45 GMT
#16613
On December 26 2011 19:25 wooscums wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +

Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 PRO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131771

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

GPU: Nvidia GTX 460GT 1GB
ALREADY HAVE

Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428

PSU: Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-620 620W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371048

Hard Drive: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&Tpk=Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB

Case: COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216

Heatsink: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

Disc Drive: LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106335&Tpk=Lite-On iHAS424-98

~$800


Hey guys so this is my first time putting together a computer, and I was wondering how this build would perform on SC2 at 1080p and high settings while streaming/recording, assuming that my internet can handle it. And is it price efficient? thanks! :D


It's not price efficient but it'll do what you want reasonably well.

Just get the least expensive memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313086 If you have a brand preference than sure you can pay a few dollars extra for it. But paying $10 more for the same memory with a different name and heatspreader on it doesn't really make sense.

I assume you plan on doing SLI... but this isn't really price efficient since the GTX 460 is already pretty dated. You'll have a hard time finding them in stock (or be forced to buy off BST forums) and the 28nm Keplar will likely be very close to a GTX 460 SLI configuration but consume less power and produce less heat.

If you want to throw SLI out the window, I'd get the Asrock P67 Pro3 for $100: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230 and the Rosewill Capstone 450 for $65: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

DVD burner for $23 is expensive. Just get the least expensive one which is $16: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136240 or just salvage it from some other computer.

Coolermaster 690ii Advanced is a good case and a case is personal preference so if you like it than you can purchase it. If you don't care about the case than you can just get a Bitfenix Merc Alpha for $40: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63256&promoid=1301 or a Coolermaster HAf 912 for $50: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB isn't a good choice since it's $150. Seagate Barracudas and Western Digital Caviar Blues will be similar in performance but be less expensive. If you want to record, you'll want a secondary drive as well.


On December 26 2011 19:27 Shiwoo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Will upgrading only the GPU allow me to run games at a higher quality? For instance, 2 years from now if I wanted to play BF4 (an example) on Ultra, could I upgrade just the GPU to do this? Or would it be a number of things? Or is not so black and white?

BTW: I appreciate what you do. Giving advice to people like me is really giving me an interest in computers and building them. It makes the experience a hundred times better and I thank you (and others).


Most games are GPU bottlenecked so yes you'll be able to upgrade the GPU in three years and expect to play most of the latest games on reasonably high settings. Some games will be CPU bottlenecked - in which case, a GPU upgrade may improve performance slightly but to make the game truly playable, you'll really need a CPU upgrade (which requires a new motherboard).

The rest of the components don't matter. If you find yourself running out of memory than just add more memory. If you want faster load times than just add an SSD.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
December 26 2011 10:49 GMT
#16614
On December 26 2011 16:20 skyR wrote:
All Canadian retailers offer pricematching. And following that $500 build to a tee is a bad idea since most of those components aren't even available in Canada.


I found all but 2 of them in Canada, yay! And those were np np, but you are a saint for putting so much good advice into this thread skyr
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 26 2011 10:58 GMT
#16615
The Antec Neo Eco 520C, Xigmatek Asgard II, and Biostar H61MLC are all not available in Canada. You pay Newegg to ship all of this from state-side warehouses.

Generally, HIS cards in Canada aren't priced competitively enough to be an attractive option.
Shiwoo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States25 Posts
December 26 2011 10:59 GMT
#16616
@skyR

Thanks man. I hope you don't mind answering one more question. You have been a big help and this should be my last question hopefully! I am looking at cases because the one suggested in one of my first posts is 40 bucks, but with shipping is around 50. I found a couple of cases for 40 dollars, but some of them don't have a 2.5" drive bay. If I were to get a 2.5" SSD could I still use it with a case without a 2.5" drive bay? It seems like a rhetorical question, but I wanted to ask anyway. Thanks man!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 26 2011 11:03 GMT
#16617
NCIX has free shipping on orders over $50 and under 200lbs so if you purchase the Bitfenix Merc Alpha along with the DVD burner, the total will be over $50 so you will be getting free shipping.

Yes, you can still put an SSD into a case without a 2.5" drive bay. You can just purchase a 2.5" to 3.5" bay adapter or you can just tape it to your case / leave it hanging or resting on the bottom.
Shiwoo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States25 Posts
December 26 2011 11:08 GMT
#16618
Thanks man. You have been a great help.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
December 26 2011 11:24 GMT
#16619
On December 26 2011 19:58 skyR wrote:
The Antec Neo Eco 520C, Xigmatek Asgard II, and Biostar H61MLC are all not available in Canada. You pay Newegg to ship all of this from state-side warehouses.

Generally, HIS cards in Canada aren't priced competitively enough to be an attractive option.


Yeah I got a different case but the other two seemed cheap enough, I didn't realize canadian stores shipped it like that. But I did find that HIS card for 135~, and wtf ncix does free shipping over 50 dollars? Did I graze over that option because the cheapest one I saw for my order over 50 dollars was like 23~
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 11:44:52
December 26 2011 11:41 GMT
#16620
Only NCIX US offers free shipping on orders over x amount and under x weight. NCIX Canada does not have this offer though their sister companies does.

Canadian retailers ship from Canadian warehouses (usually located in BC or ON). Newegg is an American retailer which has a single warehouse in Canada, most of their items are shipped from state warehouses.

Antec Neo Eco on Newegg.ca is $65 + $10 shipping which equates to $75. This isn't cheap. Better or equivalent power supplies can be had for $60.

And a 6870 for $130 is definitely not available in Canada or even in the states =\
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