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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Impulsa
Profile Joined November 2010
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 22:26:52
May 02 2011 22:26 GMT
#4941
I'm having a hard time picking a power supply since Antec Truepower 650 is out of stock on amazon.

Any recommendations on any power supplies?

I'm planning to have a 560 ti.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 02 2011 22:28 GMT
#4942
On May 03 2011 07:26 Impulsa wrote:
I'm having a hard time picking a power supply since Antec Truepower 650 is out of stock on amazon.

Any recommendations on any power supplies?

I'm planning to have a 560 ti.


A single 560 Ti? Are you planning on running two at some point, or why would you be looking anywhere near 650W?

What else would this power supply be running? Do you need to buy from Amazon?
Impulsa
Profile Joined November 2010
United States122 Posts
May 02 2011 22:30 GMT
#4943
umm, i would plan to SLI in the future but if a lower watt power supply is able to handle the card plus the other parts then i'm fine with that.

yeah, amazon is my choice is buying the part.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 02 2011 22:35 GMT
#4944
Are you sure its out of stock? It shows in stock on my end: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001RTPMLK/?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 22:42:43
May 02 2011 22:42 GMT
#4945
That says ships in 1 to 3 weeks (at least for me), which implies currently out of stock.

Anyway, I'd just get the TruePower New 550W. That could handle SLI GTX 560 Ti unless you plan to overclock them and run them with an overclocked i7-9xx or Phenom II X6, and then try to max out the power consumption. It would work under normal gaming load with the above conditions. You would just need to use a couple molex to PCI-E power adapters whenever you get the second GTX 560 Ti, if that happens.

It's $60 on Amazon with $12 shipping, so a pretty good price for something of that caliber:
http://www.amazon.com/Antec-Truepower-TP-550-550-Watt-Certification/dp/B001RTPMLA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1304375795&sr=8-3
Impulsa
Profile Joined November 2010
United States122 Posts
May 03 2011 00:00 GMT
#4946
well, i'm planning to overclock a 2500k, would that still be fine with that power supply?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 00:14:50
May 03 2011 00:09 GMT
#4947
Yeah, at a overclock to something like 4.5 GHz, you're looking at maybe 40W extra power consumption over stock (depending on voltage used). And keep in mind that stock power consumption of a i5-2500k is like 65W full load when not using the integrated graphics. Overclocked power draw is still under a stock i7-9xx or Phenom II X6 by a good margin, not to mention those chips overclocked and all the power consumption of a X58 system or something like that.

You could overclock a i5-2500k and overclock two GTX 560 Ti and be fine on the TruePower New 550W. Just don't be unreasonable on the GPU overclocks, or also run like 8 HDDs in RAID or something like that. If you're doing stuff like that, then expect something like FurMark + LinX to make the PSU shut itself off harmlessly.

+ Show Spoiler [video] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA_OYYneNsU

Keep in mind that the above parts aren't overclocked and the test they're running isn't maxing out power draw, but you get the idea. I don't think you're going to be running a full synthetic load 24/7 either. The PSU has a 5 year warranty anyway.


edit: so 650W may be recommended for SLI GTX 560 Ti, but if you have a lower-power CPU like a i5-2500k and especially if you don't plan on overclocking the GPUs, you're good to go. You're especially fine on a good PSU like a TruePower New.
.Mystic
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada486 Posts
May 03 2011 00:22 GMT
#4948
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42745
Is this ram compatible with i5 2400 and Asrock H61 motherboard?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 03 2011 00:22 GMT
#4949
Yes, it will just downclock to 1333MHz
Tin_Foil
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States243 Posts
May 03 2011 05:52 GMT
#4950
Hey! Its finally time. For the 1st time, I'm going to try to build my own comp, any advice/help would be awesome! Big wall of text coming up.. Thanks if you help ahead of time.

I'm not all that tech savvy, but from what I've read I should be able to manage it... I hope.

I was also thinking of possibly buying from cyberpower, they seem to have crazy low prices, though seem to have some mix reviews. Any thoughts on buy/building?

I have keyboard/mouse/speakers, but need a monitor.

What is your budget?

I'd like to stick as close to 1000 total, but I'd be willing to go over with the monitor+OS. I want to get a quality machine that will last, but not go over board if an upgrade isn't to noticeable.

What is your resolution?

1920x1200

What are you using it for?

Mostly gaming, I'd like to be able to play on ultra, while streaming(if I get into that in the future). I'd also like to be able to handle future games.

What is your upgrade cycle?

2+ years. As long as I can go without, without going overboard on the spending.

When do you plan on building it?

I want to finish it by May 30th. Start building it asap.

Do you plan on overclocking?

I don't think so... I don't know too much about it. From what I've read it may not be worth the effort for me, plus, it seems a bit too tech savvy for me.

Do you need an Operating System?

Yes, but I don't want to add it in the initial budget.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

I wouldn't mind advice on this. Is it a good idea/worth it? Or is can one nice GPU cut it.

Where are you buying your parts from?

Tigerdirect or newegg. Any preferences on those? I keep seeing different things about them.



My preliminary build:

CPU- i5 2500k - 229.99

MB- MSI P67A-http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=40755&CatId=6978 -- I really don't know what I'm looking for with motherboards, I just matched the sockets and picked a mid price.

RAM- 4GB- single stick ~50-60 bucks

HD- http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7332879&CatId=2459 -500GB, 7200RPM- $40

Graphics card(I'm debating, not sure how much I need to spend)- Radeon HD 5850 Video Card - 139.99(after rebate)-- do I need more? Radeon vs EVGA geforce?

Case- I like the cooler masters, I wasn't sure if I would need a full tower, or one of the HAF 922 or 912 Mid towers would fit everything fine/keep it cool enough.

Monitor- I was think a nice big LED backlit. 21-23 inch. ~$200.

Power supply- I'm really not sure how much I need.. 500-750? ~$100



That's coming out around $900 I think+ the OS, which is good. So, good build, bad build?

Do you think this is more or less power than I'd want?

Thanks!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 03 2011 06:06 GMT
#4951
@Tin_Foil

Overclocking isn't that hard on the newer Intel processors but it will add a premium to your configuration as it can only be done with a core i5 2500k ($225) and a P67 motherboard (~$130).

SLI / CrossfireX is not worth it unless you plan on playing at a resolution higher than 1920x1200. In most cases, it is always better to get a single graphics card and upgrade to a newer generation of graphic cards. A classic example would be the 8800GT which was released three years ago at $200. Now we have the GTX 460 and 6850 for sub $200 prices and they outperform a 8800GT SLI setup and give off less noise and heat as well.

There is no point in paying for higher frequency RAM or tigher timings, there is a negligible increase in performance: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377 You should not be paying anymore than $42 for 4GB and no more than $82 for 8GB.

The below configuration is capable of streaming and playing most if not all current games at 1920x1080 on high settings. Total comes to $871 before mail in rebates:

Core i5 2400 @ $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074

Asrock H61M U3S3 @ $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236

Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB 1600MHz @ $75 (with promo code EMCKFHB23, ends May 4th)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145345

Gigabayte GTX 560 OC @ $245
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125369

XFX Core Edition Pro 450w @ $55 ($45 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

Windows 7 Home Premium @ $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

DVD Drive @ $21
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
JJGamer
Profile Joined May 2011
United States76 Posts
May 03 2011 06:19 GMT
#4952
What is your budget?

Looking to build one within a budget of $1000 - $1200 -- this is including a monitor as well.

What is your resolution?

Unsure but I'm looking at getting a monitor that is 23" or bigger. So any video graphic card that can support that in max resolution.

What are you using it for?

Mostly gaming but generally an overall good computer.

What is your upgrade cycle?

Probably 2 years so I'm looking at a computer than will last me quite a while.

When do you plan on building it?

Hopefully over this summer

Do you plan on overclocking?

I'm new to this whole building your own system thing so I'm not particularly comfortable in overclocking just yet, maybe in the future, so I will like to have the option to do so.

Do you need an Operating System?

I do but I might be able to get it for free. So please don't include it within the budget.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Most likely not, but I wouldn't mind having the the option to be able to do so.

Where are you buying your parts from?

I work at Microcenter so I'll most likely be getting the parts there. But newegg is a close alternative. I'm also open to suggestions.

Thanks in advance for your help! Hope you guys can build me a smexxy rig.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 06:26:35
May 03 2011 06:24 GMT
#4953
@Tin_Foil

You can save a little bit of money with an equivalent motherboard (maybe slightly better, as it's H67 and thus has native SATA3) in this combo with the i5-2400:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.638720

If you're not concerned with always playing all the latest games on highest or very high settings, or are willing to replace the GPU with something better down the line, I think the Sapphire HD 5850 Xtreme is the better deal, since it's only $140:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102932

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/295?vs=330 (but note that the Gigabyte card in question is overclocked by a lot, so it'd be maybe 15% better than what's shown here)

Personally I'd take a better monitor or an SSD over that difference in graphics power, but that's just me. The HD 5850 is already a little overkill for SC2 on ultra.

A decent SSD is a Crucial RealSSD C300 64GB, for $120 shipped ($15 cheaper than on newegg)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/742418-REG/Crucial_Technology_CTFDDAC064MAG_1G1_64GB_RealSSD_C300_2_5_.html


@JJGamer

Ask again closer to when you're buying. AMD's next-gen CPUs will be out by then, but we don't know specifics about their performance or pricing now. Prices change over time too. So what's good now might not be available or might not be the best pick later.
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
May 03 2011 09:26 GMT
#4954
Hey guys. I want my PC to have amazing sound. Is there any components that needs to be more specific if I want awesome sound?

Like do I need a specific motherboard or something?
Az0r_au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia385 Posts
May 03 2011 10:21 GMT
#4955
Just a warning to those building new pcs with non-modular PSUs, I just managed to create a short between an unused molex connector (on a cable that was not connected to any parts) and my PC case which caused the entire cable to melt within a few seconds of turning the PC on. Don't leave unused molex connections resting against metal parts of your case even though the female connector is insulated by a small amount of plastic it can still arc to your case.
FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
May 03 2011 11:10 GMT
#4956
On May 03 2011 18:26 TooN wrote:
Hey guys. I want my PC to have amazing sound. Is there any components that needs to be more specific if I want awesome sound?

Like do I need a specific motherboard or something?

Get Auzentech soundcard like X-Fi Forte with headphone amp or Asus Xonar.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 03 2011 11:56 GMT
#4957
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EALX 1TB 7200 RPM

Currently $60 on newegg with promo code EMCKEKG23.
marvin.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States469 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 12:49:28
May 03 2011 12:48 GMT
#4958
first of all I'd like to say that this thread is the shit and the amount of information in here is just amazing. I'm looking to build a budget computer to possibly stream on (is this even possible?). Regardless, it'd just be nice to play sc2 on medium or higher.

Initial Questions
+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
~$400

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
Mostly gaming, some programming related stuff including various IDEs, MATLAB as well, etc etc. Maybe streaming if my computer can support it.

What is your upgrade cycle?
I'm probably not going to upgrade this computer for a long, long time if at all seeing as how I dont plan on picking up any other games that tax the computer.

When do you plan on building it?
Sometime during the summer. In 1-2 months probably.

Do you plan on overclocking?
No

Do you need an Operating System?
No

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

Where are you buying your parts from?
Anywhere - I have access to a Frys




Basically, I have everything besides the actual PC itself. I'm thinking I'll need to buy a CPU, Motherboard, RAM, GPU, PSU, Case, HD. Is there anything else I'm missing like a wireless adapter? Standard ethernet connection for internet is included in the motherboard usually, right?

PCU/Motherboard
+ Show Spoiler +
I was looking into getting the Core i3 2100, but I'm not sure if that'll fit my budget.
I was looking into these bundle deals that include a Core i3 2100:

ASUS P8H67-M LX (REV 3.0) Micro ATX Intel Motherboard+CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.638749

GIGABYTE GA-H67MA-USB3-B3 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard+CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.638725

MSI H67MA-E35 (B3) Micro ATX Intel Motherboard+CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.638726

BIOSTAR H67MU3 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard+CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.638750

Are there really any huge differences? (They're all very similar in price)


Memory
+ Show Spoiler +
Not really sure about my choice in memory, I kind of looked for 4gb (2x2gb) ddr3's on newegg and sorted by price, this is what i found. seems to have good reviews too?
G.SKILL NS 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBNS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231396


GPU
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm a bit confused when it comes to the GPU. Why do you guys have it separated by resolution, and if I were to play the game with medium-high settings, what would I need? And would streaming also stress the GPU more or is that more of a CPU thing?

Would this be okay?
PowerColor AX5770 1GBD5-H Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131330&cm_re=5770-_-14-131-330-_-Product

I read that this would run sc2 very well at 1920x1080 at a176's thread @ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=207481


PSU
+ Show Spoiler +
Is this a good choice for power supply? Or is there anything else cheaper and still reliable?
Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033


Hard Drive
+ Show Spoiler +
Kind of arbitrarily picked this one based on price from newegg

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD2500AAKX 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136771


Case
+ Show Spoiler +
As far as a case goes, all the motherboards I linked in the combo deals said they were MicroATX motherboards. Does that mean I should filter for only the MicroATX Desktops/Midtowers/Minitowers etc on newegg when searching? Or do just regular ATX full/mid/mini towers still work?
And would this work?

APEVIA X-QBOII X-QBOII-NW-BK/500 Black SECC Steel MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144224
I see that this also comes with a power supply, but I'm not sure how reliable that would be. Any opinions?



~200 for mobo+cpu, 40 for memory, 115 for GPU, 40 for HD, 55 for case (25 after MIR)

47 for that PSU that i didn't need because of the bundle deal with the case.

If I use the power supply bundled with the case, my purchase comes out to be $455, $420 after MIR.

What do you guys think? I expect my build to be pretty bad, but I understand that the best way to build a budget computer is to buy things on sale and wait for nice slickdeals or combo deals to come along, so I hope to gain knowledge more than anything from your guys' thoughts. Thanks!
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 13:00:07
May 03 2011 12:57 GMT
#4959
@marvin: Do NOT use the bundled Apevia PSU. I've swapped out every single one I've ever seen a friend use for something that actually works within a month of them getting a PC.

You might be able to do some low-res streaming on an i3, but not entirely sure.

If you're using a1's guide, you're in fairly solid hands.

As for why people mention resolution when discussing GPU's, basically, the resolution is a number of pixels. Each pixel represents 32 bits of information (32 bit color). The higher the resolution, the more pixels the graphics card is providing data for, the more work it has to do per frame.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 14:16:58
May 03 2011 14:12 GMT
#4960
Hey guys, I know literally nothing about computers but would love to stream me and my friends playing some sc2. One of my friends who does know a lot more than I about computers recommended this computer (its a little over $900 which is my budget). He said I should stick with ibuypower.com because I cannot actually build the computer myself and this will come preassembled.

With the specs listed below will I be able to stream (on justin.tv pref) at a high quality?

Thanks in advance.

These are the specs I first looked at (Dual Monitor setup)

Case ( Azza Triton Gaming Case - Black )
Processor ( [= Quad Core =] AMD Phenom™ II X4 945 Quad-Core CPU )
Processor Cooling ( Liquid CPU Cooling System [AMD] - [Free Upgrade] Standard 120mm Fan )
Memory ( 4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - Corsair or Major Brand )
Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 - 1GB - Single Card )
Video Card Brand ( Major Brand Powered by ATI or NVIDIA )
Motherboard ( Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3 -- AMD 870 w/ 2x PCI-E 2.0 x16 )
Motherboard USB / SATA Interface ( Motherboard default USB / SATA Interface )
Power Supply ( 600 Watt -- Standard )
Primary Hard Drive ( 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive )
Optical Drive ( 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black )
Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )
Operating System ( None- Pre-formatted Hard Drive Only )
Keyboard ( iBUYPOWER USB Keyboard - **FREE Upgrade to Thermaltake eSPORTS CHALLENGER Gaming Keyboard** )
Monitor ( 22" LCD 1680x1050 -- Sceptre X220T-Naga )
2nd Monitor ( 19" LCD 1440x900 )
Warranty ( Standard Warranty Service - Standard 3-Year Limited
Warranty + Lifetime Technical Support )
Rush Service ( Rush Service Fee (not shipping fee) - No Rush Service, Estimate Ship Out in 5~10 Business Days )
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