EPTOn August 25 2026 00:36 Duplicity85 wrote:
Is there a reason why you are giving some players an unfair tournament advantage over the other participants? You are choosing to make it so a select few players(8?) have an easier time landing prize. It's a competitive game based on skill, shouldn't they have to earn their wins like everyone else? Are you trying to make friends with them by giving them free wins or an easier time at winning money or something? Did someone else put you up to it? You do realize that rigging a paid tournament bracket via "seeding" to favor certain individuals is the opposite of competitive integrity right?
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On August 24 2026 23:31 StarcraftHistorian wrote:
Nerd St operates the venue that I am renting. I am the sole proprietor of SC4ALL. So no, any and all points related to Nerd St. are not valid.
The invited players will be seeded into group stage 2 based on Aligulac rankings.
On August 24 2026 23:04 Duplicity85 wrote:
Excuse me, "Local host - Philadelphia Location". Multiple companies all under the same umbrella. I suppose it would technically mean that nerdstreet IS paying around 15k to run the tournament at their venue. It's all coming from the same place - VC raised by nerdstreet from the series c round in 2024. All the prize pay outs and cost to run the event are still indeed considered an expense. My previous statements from my other posts are still valid here.
Are you involved in running the tournament? Would you be able to answer my question about seeding?
On August 24 2026 22:40 StarcraftHistorian wrote:
The “LAN Center” is not the host. The “LAN Center” isn’t spending anything.
On August 24 2026 22:22 Duplicity85 wrote:
Lets look at some of the math. 10k base prize pool + 50% of tournament player entrant fees added to the pool. Plus there is the cost of flights for the 8 invites + hotel/accomodation(assuming that's covered, if not then knock of AT LEAST 5k from the initial 20k estimate. 64 players at $65 a piece is just over 4,100 with 50% going back into the prize pool. That's just over 12k in prize that will be paid out with about 2k in-take that isn't being spent out. Just based on this, The host is spending 12k to bring in 2k in earnings. With a full 64 player bracket, the organizer/venue will need over 300 spectators to break even - not including labor costs for staff, flights for the invites, hotel for the invites etc. Now if the organizer/venue is paying for flights/hotel/appearance fees, that's thousands of dollars more that need to be factored in and also recouped.
Another thing to take into consideration is the lan center's building firecode, Does the building's firecode permit over 350 people being in the lan center? If the limit is low, this would certainly impact the ability to sell enough spectator tickets just to break even or even become profitable.
I didn't factor in the other 2 tournaments that will pay out another 3k or more.
I'm seeing a lan venue spend at least 15k in budget to bring in substantially less while reaching a maximum marketing outreach of say 2,500 people(twitch stream viewers + spectators + competitors). Most of that 2,500 person estimate also won't be anywhere local to the Philadelphia location which means chances of them becoming a future patron of the business is also extremely low. So from a marketing perspective and a business perspective, How do you plan on keeping the lights on so to speak, ya know?
But yeah, These were some thoughts in my mind about how this is going to be profitable for the lan center/host.
Question for the tournament operator - Is there going to be "seeding" for this event or will it have competitive integrity? Like are the established names going to be intentionally NOT paired against eachother early on to make it easier for them to advance to the later stages of the bracket to land in the money or will the entire tournament bracket be generated completely at random using a random bracket generator to ensure competitive integrity and fairness for all participants?
On August 24 2026 21:36 StarcraftHistorian wrote:
Your understanding of almost all of this is incorrect.
On August 24 2026 19:37 Duplicity85 wrote:
Odd to see someone call me(a person who plays starcraft) a starcraft detractor because I had a thought about whether or not an event is profitable. I did some brainstorming. The sunken cost for the event is probably going to be upwards of 20k as half the entry fees are getting added back into the pool + airfares for the invitees + hotel/accomodations + staff etc. Marketing budgets for small businesses(the lan center) are generally used with an expectation of a return of investment. I just don't see how flying over people from outside the country would generate profit, like, they are unlikely to come back to the lan center unless they get the same accomodations. Some quick math and crowd estimations + a full 64 person bracket suggests that the venue is paying about 300 dollars per person(assuming somewhere between 135-150 total) to be there according to sunken cost estimations. The math just doesn't add up for profitability.
Like, What exactly is the business model here? A lan center spends around 20grand on a tournament for a maximum of 200 bodies + a stream of a thousand viewers, maybe 1500? That wouldn't make sense from a marketing spend and twitches ad revenue share and/or youtube ad revenue share wouldn't make up the difference either.
You don't have to feel threatened for starcraft when others have a thought or attempt to paint them as a detractor.
It's just kind crazy from a business perspective to see a local lan center in the us drop this kind of money and pretty much be guaranteed to be in the red.
On a side note, Is there going to be "seeding" for this event or will it have competitive integrity? Like are the established names going to be intentionally NOT paired against eachother early on to make it easier for them to advance to the later stages of the bracket to land in the money or will the entire tournament bracket be generated completely at random to ensure competitive integrity and fairness for all participants?
On August 22 2026 19:19 Mizenhauer wrote:
I don't understand how some people can't enjoy an event with some of the best players of all time because they're too busy being a StarCraft detractor and counting other people's money.
On August 22 2026 17:43 Duplicity85 wrote:
I don't understand how nerdstreet or the venue is going to make any money off this event.
I don't understand how nerdstreet or the venue is going to make any money off this event.
I don't understand how some people can't enjoy an event with some of the best players of all time because they're too busy being a StarCraft detractor and counting other people's money.
Odd to see someone call me(a person who plays starcraft) a starcraft detractor because I had a thought about whether or not an event is profitable. I did some brainstorming. The sunken cost for the event is probably going to be upwards of 20k as half the entry fees are getting added back into the pool + airfares for the invitees + hotel/accomodations + staff etc. Marketing budgets for small businesses(the lan center) are generally used with an expectation of a return of investment. I just don't see how flying over people from outside the country would generate profit, like, they are unlikely to come back to the lan center unless they get the same accomodations. Some quick math and crowd estimations + a full 64 person bracket suggests that the venue is paying about 300 dollars per person(assuming somewhere between 135-150 total) to be there according to sunken cost estimations. The math just doesn't add up for profitability.
Like, What exactly is the business model here? A lan center spends around 20grand on a tournament for a maximum of 200 bodies + a stream of a thousand viewers, maybe 1500? That wouldn't make sense from a marketing spend and twitches ad revenue share and/or youtube ad revenue share wouldn't make up the difference either.
You don't have to feel threatened for starcraft when others have a thought or attempt to paint them as a detractor.
It's just kind crazy from a business perspective to see a local lan center in the us drop this kind of money and pretty much be guaranteed to be in the red.
On a side note, Is there going to be "seeding" for this event or will it have competitive integrity? Like are the established names going to be intentionally NOT paired against eachother early on to make it easier for them to advance to the later stages of the bracket to land in the money or will the entire tournament bracket be generated completely at random to ensure competitive integrity and fairness for all participants?
Your understanding of almost all of this is incorrect.
Lets look at some of the math. 10k base prize pool + 50% of tournament player entrant fees added to the pool. Plus there is the cost of flights for the 8 invites + hotel/accomodation(assuming that's covered, if not then knock of AT LEAST 5k from the initial 20k estimate. 64 players at $65 a piece is just over 4,100 with 50% going back into the prize pool. That's just over 12k in prize that will be paid out with about 2k in-take that isn't being spent out. Just based on this, The host is spending 12k to bring in 2k in earnings. With a full 64 player bracket, the organizer/venue will need over 300 spectators to break even - not including labor costs for staff, flights for the invites, hotel for the invites etc. Now if the organizer/venue is paying for flights/hotel/appearance fees, that's thousands of dollars more that need to be factored in and also recouped.
Another thing to take into consideration is the lan center's building firecode, Does the building's firecode permit over 350 people being in the lan center? If the limit is low, this would certainly impact the ability to sell enough spectator tickets just to break even or even become profitable.
I didn't factor in the other 2 tournaments that will pay out another 3k or more.
I'm seeing a lan venue spend at least 15k in budget to bring in substantially less while reaching a maximum marketing outreach of say 2,500 people(twitch stream viewers + spectators + competitors). Most of that 2,500 person estimate also won't be anywhere local to the Philadelphia location which means chances of them becoming a future patron of the business is also extremely low. So from a marketing perspective and a business perspective, How do you plan on keeping the lights on so to speak, ya know?
But yeah, These were some thoughts in my mind about how this is going to be profitable for the lan center/host.
Question for the tournament operator - Is there going to be "seeding" for this event or will it have competitive integrity? Like are the established names going to be intentionally NOT paired against eachother early on to make it easier for them to advance to the later stages of the bracket to land in the money or will the entire tournament bracket be generated completely at random using a random bracket generator to ensure competitive integrity and fairness for all participants?
The “LAN Center” is not the host. The “LAN Center” isn’t spending anything.
Excuse me, "Local host - Philadelphia Location". Multiple companies all under the same umbrella. I suppose it would technically mean that nerdstreet IS paying around 15k to run the tournament at their venue. It's all coming from the same place - VC raised by nerdstreet from the series c round in 2024. All the prize pay outs and cost to run the event are still indeed considered an expense. My previous statements from my other posts are still valid here.
Are you involved in running the tournament? Would you be able to answer my question about seeding?
Nerd St operates the venue that I am renting. I am the sole proprietor of SC4ALL. So no, any and all points related to Nerd St. are not valid.
The invited players will be seeded into group stage 2 based on Aligulac rankings.
Is there a reason why you are giving some players an unfair tournament advantage over the other participants? You are choosing to make it so a select few players(8?) have an easier time landing prize. It's a competitive game based on skill, shouldn't they have to earn their wins like everyone else? Are you trying to make friends with them by giving them free wins or an easier time at winning money or something? Did someone else put you up to it? You do realize that rigging a paid tournament bracket via "seeding" to favor certain individuals is the opposite of competitive integrity right?
You're exactly correct, I've been found out! I was worried Maru would be eliminated by local NA talent, so I conspired to rig the tournament so he could pull off the miracle of making it to group stage 2 at my event.
I hate competitive integrity, just ruins my day to even think about it.
