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Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States462 Posts
9 hours ago
#21
As someone who enjoyed hots and still yearn for that kind of game I just don't think changing eco and balance at this stage is what we want. I'd rather just refine the current lotv and be able to play when I get the itch.

If I believed this new direction could be fleshed out and given the care it needs then maybe but we all know that's not the case.
ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States444 Posts
2 hours ago
#22
Balance changes are whatever, this radical of a change is going to take some serious tweaking, and 3 weeks of PTR isn't going to be enough play testing to really understand the game.

Far as the ECO changes are concerned, literally is what the game needs. LOTV eco changes were by far the worst thing they could have ever done to the game, so I'm happier than a pig in shit to see the game go back to the ceiling in terms of skill.
BaiZhuZhu
Profile Joined March 2026
18 Posts
4 minutes ago
#23
total crap lol. slowing down an already boring early game, WHY?!?!
BaiZhuZhu
Profile Joined March 2026
18 Posts
3 minutes ago
#24
On May 30 2026 19:48 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2026 19:25 Agh wrote:
Should just implement everything stormgate had going for it. (Mainly referring to control group binds. Eg. Being able to set up customizable selection/be able to omit things from it. )... But might as well go further and do the whole command card automation. Hell do the right click and drag spread/arc thing too. Think it's wild that you can't remove an overseer/observer/medivac/etc from all army selection in 2026. Also make the rapid fire keybind setup a default option for the game.

Idea to change economy at this point is beyond half baked. I will be extremely surprised if it results in anything other than games averaging 1-2 extra minutes.
Don't think this will entice any new player into trying it out, and for every potential returning player this might appeal to, an equal or greater amount will probably be irked and demotivated.


Even with all that said it's unfortunate that any change is a positive one because the game is in such a piss poor state. (Right now Probably 3rd all time right behind WoL launch and the final form broodlord infestor era)

Very disappointed this is the 'phase 1 feeler' patch they came up with

Implementing the UI tweaks Stormgate and other modern RTS games have made is a no-brainer for me, presuming it’s non-trivial to do

Lemme customise unit priority dagbabbit!


HAHA THE OLD FANS OF SC2 WILL NEVER ALLOW ANY CHANGES LIKE THAT
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