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StarcraftHistorian
United States135 Posts
With all the angst around the lack of a 2025 Circuit Announcement from ESL, I wanted to put together a piece that talks about what's going on in the world of StarCraft. This is a totally new style of content for me, would love some feedback! My Full Catalog of Content: https://starcrafthistorian.com/ My Twitter: https://x.com/SC2Historian | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6916 Posts
Didn't wanna open a new thread for basically no info. EWC has announced most of their games including pricepool. Starcraft 2 is not yet mentioned. But we do have Chess https://esportsworldcup.com/en/chess-joins-ewc with Magnus Carlsen es E-Sport Chess Ambassador... There are still 8 games unannounced, so not all is over | ||
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StarcraftHistorian
United States135 Posts
On December 20 2024 17:31 Harris1st wrote: Some cool memory lane moments you got there Mr. Historian :D Didn't wanna open a new thread for basically no info. EWC has announced most of their games including pricepool. Starcraft 2 is not yet mentioned. But we do have Chess https://esportsworldcup.com/en/chess-joins-ewc with Magnus Carlsen es E-Sport Chess Ambassador... There are still 8 games unannounced, so not all is over I'm holding on to hope as well buddy, haha. Glad you enjoyed walking memory lane with me =D | ||
Waxangel
United States33360 Posts
On December 20 2024 17:31 Harris1st wrote: Some cool memory lane moments you got there Mr. Historian :D Didn't wanna open a new thread for basically no info. EWC has announced most of their games including pricepool. Starcraft 2 is not yet mentioned. But we do have Chess https://esportsworldcup.com/en/chess-joins-ewc with Magnus Carlsen es E-Sport Chess Ambassador... There are still 8 games unannounced, so not all is over The vibes I'm getting are that even ESL doesn't 100% know what's going on with SC2 yet. Otherwise why were they leading the balance/community council on a patch in November (three months after they last did any kind of SC2 esports), but still haven't been able to announce any information regarding the 2025 circuit? Hopefully, the uncertainty is about the size and scale of the circuit, not its actual existence. | ||
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States654 Posts
Fair enough, as zombiegrub pointed out. :D Well, my only main concern would just be in what scale would a company support the Esport scene, also the financial market just really not there for investment to happen. | ||
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ZombieGrub
United States699 Posts
On December 21 2024 12:27 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: I highly doubt Microsoft would have any strategy investment or interest to support Esport, that's not something Microsoft does on its own I feel like. And given the current financial climate. We can safely assume esport winter, no one is actually going to make the money from Esport besides the betting companies to be honest. No one pays for anything in Esport, I highly doubt in the current climate where layoffs are often and failed OWL, there's basically no one is actually thinking about E-Sports, as much as shit we gave Mr.Kotik and how "DEMONIC" the guy is, at least he was the one who came up with OWL and tried it out. Well, if anything, he tried more than most of us for Esports. F in the chat plz :D Okay, my take might be a bit hot take and edgy, but I think there's certain merit to it I suppose. I don't mean I know it all, the above is basically my best guess as "What would be reason they wouldn't invest in it". Not to mention they have way more fire to fight than "Esport" within MSFT gaming division, I can tell you for sure Xbox and the Gaming division is on fire. My cousin has worked on Xbox for over 20 years since the first model of xbox 360. Esports is probably the last thing they would think about. Kotick didn't come up with it. Nanzer did. Kotick was the reason they asked for the absurd $20mil buy-in for teams rather than a modest (although many still believed this to be unrealistic) $250k. Saying Kotick "tried more than most of us for esports" is so absurd and backwards I would erase that sentence from your post if I had the power. Go read "Play Nice" for some information, or any deep-dives from many journalists on the Blizzard/OWL/Activision/etc situation. Microsoft supports the AoE esports scene and continues the development of those games with expansions. They also just did the AoM Remaster which was successful. | ||
afreecaTV.Char
United States337 Posts
On December 21 2024 12:42 ZombieGrub wrote: Kotick didn't come up with it. Nanzer did. Kotick was the reason they asked for the absurd $20mil buy-in for teams rather than a modest (although many still believed this to be unrealistic) $250k. Saying Kotick "tried more than most of us for esports" is so absurd and backwards I would erase that sentence from your post if I had the power. Go read "Play Nice" for some information, or any deep-dives from many journalists on the Blizzard/OWL/Activision/etc situation. Microsoft supports the AoE esports scene and continues the development of those games with expansions. They also just did the AoM Remaster which was successful. The OWL was a very ambitious project with extremely high risks. I think asking for $20M buy-in with a three-year commitment was understandable from Blizzard's perspective. You also need to consider the environment at the time and the amount of VC money being thrown around with all of the promises of high-growth opportunities in esports. | ||
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States654 Posts
On December 21 2024 12:42 ZombieGrub wrote: Kotick didn't come up with it. Nanzer did. Kotick was the reason they asked for the absurd $20mil buy-in for teams rather than a modest (although many still believed this to be unrealistic) $250k. Saying Kotick "tried more than most of us for esports" is so absurd and backwards I would erase that sentence from your post if I had the power. Go read "Play Nice" for some information, or any deep-dives from many journalists on the Blizzard/OWL/Activision/etc situation. Microsoft supports the AoE esports scene and continues the development of those games with expansions. They also just did the AoM Remaster which was successful. I can get where you are coming from, and I don't doubt you and many others have tried a lot. But my point is not about you or anyone actively working in the industry. My point is the fans don't want to pay for anything. | ||
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lechatnoir
386 Posts
On December 21 2024 23:51 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: But my point is not about you or anyone actively working in the industry. My point is the fans don't want to pay for anything. I mean when stuff has been free to watch for more than a decade years it's not strange that people are averse to paying. People are creatures of habit and inertia. | ||
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States654 Posts
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afreecaTV.Char
United States337 Posts
On December 23 2024 13:17 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Honestly if I didn't remember wrong, I used to have subscription for GSL from GomTV with high res streaming, that must've been somewhat profitable at the time for them. I don't think the GSL was ever profitable under GOMTV, not even close. | ||
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LaughNgamezSOOP
60 Posts
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Antithesis
Germany1158 Posts
But yeah, I also really hope professional SC2 doesn't just quietly die by not being included in EWC in the next weeks. Of course, it has to end at some point, but it would be so much more worthy to have another premier tournament plus a clear concluding statement when and that it will not be featured anymore next time. | ||
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States654 Posts
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States654 Posts
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shikadisoda
15 Posts
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johnnyh123
110 Posts
On December 24 2024 06:49 LaughNgamezSOOP wrote: Next EWC announcements aren't for 2 weeks then 4 weeks so we'll have an answer within a month. Just checked the Esports World Cup website, I believe the last game will announce Jan 31st local time, with a total of 6 more unannounced games. Fingers crossed | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6916 Posts
On December 24 2024 06:49 LaughNgamezSOOP wrote: Next EWC announcements aren't for 2 weeks then 4 weeks so we'll have an answer within a month. EWC just changed all announcement dates.... Seems like even they don't know what is going on | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1147 Posts
On January 09 2025 23:15 Harris1st wrote: EWC just changed all announcement dates.... Seems like even they don't know what is going on Considering how pumpy these things went last year, I honestly wonder if the EWC Foundation is constantly underestimating that not everything can be bought. If I recall, last year they had huge problems with LoL, because Riot would not budge until the EWC got reduced to a better showmatch tournament. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6916 Posts
I'm afraid | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16694 Posts
On January 15 2025 18:58 Harris1st wrote: And know EWC has taken one announcement down. Previously there were 6 games TBA, now it's 5 ... I'm afraid Dude, the only thing Blizzard shares with what it was in 2009 is it's name. Blizzard died the day Kotick announced he was selling. Blizzard is an animated corpse thrashing about. | ||
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Creager
Germany1893 Posts
On December 24 2024 06:23 afreecaTV.Char wrote: I don't think the GSL was ever profitable under GOMTV, not even close. Ah, very interesting, I do remember that I found the subscription fee back in the day to be pretty steep for the time (one season HD, which was 720p, was like 25 EUR or something like that) and back then subsidies by Blizzard were probably not half-bad, so was it more an issue with paid viewership being too low or more that production costs were too high? | ||
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Waxangel
United States33360 Posts
On January 15 2025 22:21 Creager wrote: Ah, very interesting, I do remember that I found the subscription fee back in the day to be pretty steep for the time (one season HD, which was 720p, was like 25 EUR or something like that) and back then subsidies by Blizzard were probably not half-bad, so was it more an issue with paid viewership being too low or more that production costs were too high? I mean, probably not on ad-revenue and subscriptions, but the fee they received from Blizzard to run it must have been worth it for them to keep hosting it for a decade. And that money is 100% 'legit' from Gom/Afreeca's perspective, whether or not you think it was a waste for Blizzard. | ||
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afreecaTV.Char
United States337 Posts
On January 15 2025 22:21 Creager wrote: Ah, very interesting, I do remember that I found the subscription fee back in the day to be pretty steep for the time (one season HD, which was 720p, was like 25 EUR or something like that) and back then subsidies by Blizzard were probably not half-bad, so was it more an issue with paid viewership being too low or more that production costs were too high? The costs were simply too high. I don't know for sure if Blizzard was subsidizing GOMTV or not. Considering the aggressive pricing model GOMTV used, I might believe they weren't. Either way, they were losing enough money to try and sell it for at least two years before AfreecaTV bought it. One of GOMTV's biggest issues was that it was only using the venue space for the GSL and nothing else. | ||
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