EPTAnnual "is EPT/GSL over?" thread - (Answer: Yeah*) - Page 13
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Zzzapper
1798 Posts
On February 27 2025 23:25 Pandain wrote: Would we have had an ESL circuit if EWC had made clear from the beginning that there was no SC2 this year? Trying to figure out if SC2 was always dead this year or if EWC really has a significant blame Considering EWC is also run by ESL, I doubt it. I think ESL need Saudi money to run a circuit and they're not getting that if SC2 isn't at EWC. On the other hand, other organizers might have run tournaments; for example SCBoy explicitly stated that WTL was cancelled because of uncertainty about EWC/EPT. Maybe they would've at least given the team league a last hurrah if it was clear that there would be no circuit. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27402 Posts
On February 27 2025 23:43 Zzzapper wrote: Considering EWC is also run by ESL, I doubt it. I think ESL need Saudi money to run a circuit and they're not getting that if SC2 isn't at EWC. On the other hand, other organizers might have run tournaments; for example SCBoy explicitly stated that WTL was cancelled because of uncertainty about EWC/EPT. Maybe they would've at least given the team league a last hurrah if it was clear that there would be no circuit. IIRC SCBoy also said that singular orgs picking up players for the purpose of EWC points left it difficult to do a viable team league. | ||
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LaughNgamezSOOP
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Balnazza
Germany1361 Posts
On February 27 2025 22:57 Harris1st wrote: So we reached end of February and EWC just took down all countdown timers and replaced them with "Coming soon" TM Yet again a reminder that this is a tournament run by the biggest and oldest TO in the history of Esports, supported by a Foundation that has the infinite money glitch. How are they so unbelievably fucking terrible at this? | ||
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ZombieGrub
United States719 Posts
On February 28 2025 06:18 Balnazza wrote: Yet again a reminder that this is a tournament run by the biggest and oldest TO in the history of Esports, supported by a Foundation that has the infinite money glitch. How are they so unbelievably fucking terrible at this? If you believe the rumors, it's not ESL or EWC holding it up. It's Blizzard. Although that doesn't explain the second game, which is supposedly Tekken. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1361 Posts
On February 28 2025 10:29 ZombieGrub wrote: If you believe the rumors, it's not ESL or EWC holding it up. It's Blizzard. Although that doesn't explain the second game, which is supposedly Tekken. Doesn't feel particularly plausible to me tbh. Overwatch is already confirmed for EWC, so SC2 has to be the the only possible game. I atleast can't imagine they would go for WoW or Hearthstone instead (not to mention Heroes). But if it is SC2...why would Blizzard care? Especially after they already gave the Go for Overwatch, so there isn't any fundamental problem betweent the two I'm more worried that they only plan to unveil two more games, but there are still three missing from last year: SC2, Tekken and Fortnite. Though while Fortnite is probably the biggest of the three games, it is also the most redundant, with there being already three other games like it | ||
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ZombieGrub
United States719 Posts
On February 28 2025 11:01 Balnazza wrote: Doesn't feel particularly plausible to me tbh. Overwatch is already confirmed for EWC, so SC2 has to be the the only possible game. I atleast can't imagine they would go for WoW or Hearthstone instead (not to mention Heroes). But if it is SC2...why would Blizzard care? Especially after they already gave the Go for Overwatch, so there isn't any fundamental problem betweent the two I'm more worried that they only plan to unveil two more games, but there are still three missing from last year: SC2, Tekken and Fortnite. Though while Fortnite is probably the biggest of the three games, it is also the most redundant, with there being already three other games like it These are questions I ask myself, but the source for the rumor on my side is pretty credible. It matches with the WTL rumor, and a new development I was unaware of - Brood War ASL/SSL has also not gotten whatever permission they need to move forward with their tournaments. I have no idea why Blizzard would disrupt anything with StarCraft and we will probably never (publicly) know. At this point, however, I'm very much leaning to them being the issue. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7408 Posts
On February 28 2025 14:25 ZombieGrub wrote: These are questions I ask myself, but the source for the rumor on my side is pretty credible. It matches with the WTL rumor, and a new development I was unaware of - Brood War ASL/SSL has also not gotten whatever permission they need to move forward with their tournaments. I have no idea why Blizzard would disrupt anything with StarCraft and we will probably never (publicly) know. At this point, however, I'm very much leaning to them being the issue. Wouldn't that be rather a Microsoft issue than a Blizzard issues now? Which is very strange since supposedly Microsoft wanted to bring new life to the Starcraft IP... | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden992 Posts
On February 28 2025 14:25 ZombieGrub wrote: These are questions I ask myself, but the source for the rumor on my side is pretty credible. It matches with the WTL rumor, and a new development I was unaware of - Brood War ASL/SSL has also not gotten whatever permission they need to move forward with their tournaments. I have no idea why Blizzard would disrupt anything with StarCraft and we will probably never (publicly) know. At this point, however, I'm very much leaning to them being the issue. Hasnt SSL been confirmed now? So atleast broodwar is a go | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
Even with the EWC infinite money glitch, I imagine they would do a little bit to avoid unnecessary costs. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1992 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33701 Posts
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2275 Posts
I clearly remember GSL in 2012, where NaNiWa played against DongRaeGu, the TL thread was exploding at over 100 pages of entries, I still remember being super hyped in a train and reading along, as I could not watch... Feel free to remove this if it's too much off topic, I was just reminiscing about a time where a dearth of information like this would have been absolutely unthinkable. I'm grateful for all the great times we've had. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3516 Posts
On March 01 2025 06:05 SharkStarcraft wrote: From a strictly TL-perspective, to all of those who've been there for a long time, which period of time did you remember where this website was the most active? As in users interacting, commenting etc. Probably in 2010-11 when SC2 and Brood War were both peaking simultaneously and we had top notch OSL, MSL, ProLeague, GSL AND MLG and other non-Korean events popping off constantly. As soon as Kespa dissolved things starting declining, to various degrees. This is the lowest SC information period in the last 25y. Looking forward to Stormgate hopefully maybe rising to the occasion if SC were to 'die'. | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1559 Posts
On March 01 2025 01:08 Waxangel wrote: If ASL is actually getting blocked by Blizzard, I'd expect some kind of leak out of Korea at some point (which has been a reliable source for anti-Blizzard leaks since time immemorial). Considering Progamers leaked SSL qualifier date being delayed pretty fast on their streams accidentally while Blizzard interference only remained a rumor, you're probably right. Someone would have spilled the beans one way or another. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33701 Posts
On March 01 2025 06:05 SharkStarcraft wrote: Feel free to remove this if it's too much off topic, I was just reminiscing about a time where a dearth of information like this would have been absolutely unthinkable. I'm grateful for all the great times we've had. Well, regardless of activity on TL, I'm not sure what you're getting at when you say we would have had more information in the past? SC2 insiders/influencers have always been very good about going along with Blizz/organizers and not leaking anything—it's almost always been the Korean or Chinese scene that have given us meaningful leaks. It's not like back in 2011 that we were getting any info about MLG 2012 or WCS 2012 before the organizers wanted us to know. | ||
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LaughNgamezSOOP
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Harris1st
Germany7408 Posts
On March 01 2025 15:39 LaughNgamezSOOP wrote: I'll be honest I'm getting pretty sad at the delayed announcement/disclosure. It would be great if someone could give us a bread crumb to know if it's a go or not. If it's not a go I'd like to know so I could get over significant SC2 esports ending and move onto the new era. Then at least I could stop checking that f**king page every day! I feel you. Waiting for an incoming heartbreak is the worst feeling ever | ||
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acbet
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