Power Rank - IEM Katowice 2023 - Page 3

On February 09 2023 06:14 Itsxjoeyy wrote:

Regardless if GSL vs world is “lower teir” than code S, serral dominated all the best code S players in those tournaments. What’s the difference where he beat them? NO EXCUSES!

On February 09 2023 06:22 JJH777 wrote:


The difference is the amount of events he's won with the majority of top players present. Rogue and Maru have both won over 10 events that had the vast majority of top Pros at the time of the event present. Maru also had 3 amazing proleague seasons. For Serral the only events he's won that had the large majority of the top 20 present were Blizzcon, IEM, GSL vs the World x2, and TSL. Unless I'm forgetting something the rest of his wins are either HSC, only had 6 Koreans present or were straight up region locked and didn't allow any Koreans.

On February 09 2023 06:27 Itsxjoeyy wrote:

I mean how many times do you need to see it? How many examples do we need to see serral is superior? He’s routinely played the top players in Korea and the world for the past 4-5 years.

On February 09 2023 06:33 JJH777 wrote:


To be the goat he has to win a higher number of events with the large majority (say at least 70-80%) of top pros present than Rogue/Maru have. His number of events with that level of top competition present is still lower than them.

On February 09 2023 06:36 Itsxjoeyy wrote:

But when he plays tournaments with all the top players…he beats them? I mean by those standards there are still players from WoL with more event wins with top tier players than serral. Like I said, regardless, no one can deny that serral beats every other top player more often than not. He’s got the record for longest time being #1 aligulac. There’s really nothing anyone can say.

On February 09 2023 06:41 JJH777 wrote:


If you want to use aligulac as your criteria go ahead. In my opinion quantity of event wins that have the majority of the top players present at the time of the event are the most important criteria. Moreso than current skill level. In my opinion if a player had won 1-2 events a year from 2010 forward and were never actually the clear best at any point in time they would still be the goat due to accumulating the most trophies. I think trophies > all was pretty commonly accepted before people started calling Serral the goat off nothing but his 2018 run but I could be wrong.

On February 09 2023 06:14 Itsxjoeyy wrote:

Regardless if GSL vs world is “lower tier” than code S, serral dominated all the best code S players in those tournaments. What’s the difference where he beat them? NO EXCUSES!

On February 09 2023 07:26 TossHeroes wrote:



Just Let the Korean fan boys cope with that and hold onto any excuses they can find

The general consensus and majority of the fan base acknowledged Serral has 2 GSL wins. It’s just the minority trying to discredit Serral achievement.

Funnily Serral path to victory on those 2 GSLs are harder than any of Maru’s GSL. Maru has barely any noticeable achievement outside of Korea

Only Rogue can compete with Serral for the GOAT title which is already cemented

On February 09 2023 07:37 ZeroByte13 wrote:
The general consensus and majority of the fan base acknowledged Serral has 2 GSL wins.

I wanted to say "you can't be serious, right?"... but unfortunately, knowing you a bit - it is serious, and this is just... sad.

The general consensus and majority of the fan base acknowledges that there's a big difference between
GSL Code S - which is what people mean when they say "GSL" in 95% cases
GSL ST - same players, much lower stakes and prestige
GSL vs. the World - good prize pool but this was an invitational tournament, no WCS points

GSL vs the World 2019 had Elazer and Neeb in top 4, for fook's sake.

On February 09 2023 00:32 Poopi wrote:
It’s not like other terrans showed up at WC anyways so I don’t see why everyone is talking about jet lag for Maru. He might be more sensitive to international travel but that’s not the main issue that plagued his runs

On February 09 2023 07:54 TossHeroes wrote:
The golden standard since 2018 is whichever tournament Serral attend instantly becomes S tier

On February 09 2023 06:14 Itsxjoeyy wrote:

Regardless if GSL vs world is “lower tier” than code S, serral dominated all the best code S players in those tournaments. What’s the difference where he beat them? NO EXCUSES!

On February 09 2023 08:29 tlnetuser108 wrote:


The difference is that preparation based tournaments outweigh weekenders. I would argue that due to format, GSL Code S is more prestigious than IEM Katowice/Blizzcon/WCS Global Finals. Prep based tourneys generally require more skill not only mechanically but strategically as well.

On February 08 2023 17:19 dbRic1203 wrote:
If jetlag realy was this big of a factor, don t you think players would just go there a few days earlier? 3 more nights in a hotel cost like 100 bucks, if that could double or tripple your price money earnings that easily, they would all be in europe 1 week early.
I traveled around the globe (form Europe to North America, Southeast Asia and Australia) for sport competitions in the past and never realy felt any impact on my performance because of jetlag.

On February 09 2023 09:54 johnnyh123 wrote:
Let's not use your personal experience. When you competed in sport competitions in the past, you were not competing in the Olympics (correct me if I am wrong here), however, IEM Katowice for Starcraft II is the equivalent of the Olympics in eSports. Go watch some ex-NBA player playing against NCAA/semi-pro hooper videos - Brian Scalabrine vs Regular people challenge. TLDR, he went 1v3, one of them was a professional overseas, but Scalabrine absolutely destroyed them. My point here is: the sports competitions you were in, slight changes in circadian rhythm doesn't matter, but it does matter for world's top players in sports. There, all of them devoted tens of thousands of hours in a game, the slightest change in lifestyle/physical-conditions could have significant impact.