EPTIEM Katowice: Schedule, Replacements, COVID Rules - Page 2
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honorablemacroterran
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
Considering starcraft isn't played "over the board" like chess I think a work around that lets COVID positive players play is easily possible though. I can understand the staff working the event not wanting to come into contact with players with COVID, but some isolated "COVID booth" somewhere in the studio is feasible, even if it would necessarily be less well equipped for broadcasting. Lower production quality because one player is in some dingy corner of the studio would suck, but I think viewers would object more to top contenders not being able to play. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
I mean surely one could play on a laptop from their hotel room across the street? I feel like 2 years into this thing we would have figured it out. That or it will be like the Olympic where no one has Covid all of the sudden by magic. Maybe there's some legal stuff barring them for doing so IDK. On another note, Time and Cyan are coming, yay!! | ||
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
I agree with the consensus in here that it would be dumb to DQ someone who made it to Poland. If they get COVID before that and can't travel then they obviously need to be DQ'd unfortunately but if they are in the same city surely there is a different solution. What if someone gets COVID after winning their group? Are they really going to be DQ'D? | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4300 Posts
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vyzion
308 Posts
On that note, I think they are doing a good job and I'm very grateful that the event is happening. Extra grateful that Cyan and Time can make it too! Now if only MaxPax didn't decline...that'd be the cherry on top. | ||
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Haighstrom
United Kingdom216 Posts
I guess Sunday should be 4ish latest based on Finals starting at 2:15 but I can't see what rounds are played on Friday vs Saturday. | ||
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Drfilip
Sweden592 Posts
On February 18 2022 04:39 Haighstrom wrote: Does anyone know approx what the end time of the shows should be? I'd like to watch the full SC2 events but I'm trying to organise a social engagement around it. I guess Sunday should be 4ish latest based on Finals starting at 2:15 but I can't see what rounds are played on Friday vs Saturday. Friday, 25th, has got the end of group stages. Saturday, 26th, has got ro12 and ro8. That is 4+4 matches of first to 3 wins. The picture has that explicitly written out, the written schedule also says that. I guess your brain derped while reading. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33712 Posts
On February 18 2022 04:39 Haighstrom wrote: Does anyone know approx what the end time of the shows should be? I'd like to watch the full SC2 events but I'm trying to organise a social engagement around it. I guess Sunday should be 4ish latest based on Finals starting at 2:15 but I can't see what rounds are played on Friday vs Saturday. going by previous tournaments, I'd say all the days before the finals will be like 8~10 hour affairs maybe some ppl forgot during the online era, but live SC2 events have LOOONG days | ||
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geokilla
Canada8255 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33712 Posts
On February 18 2022 05:52 geokilla wrote: I think a lot of Korean players are going to be forced to drop out. Korea is exploding with COVID right now. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of players are asymptomatic. I know this is happening with CS:GO. Yeah, the league of legends circuit is being hit HARD. But mind you, they live together in team-houses and in generally more populated environments. Hopefully, if pros are being cautious, they should be able to self-quarantine and minimize their risk ahead of travel (though obv the airport/plane portion of travel itself is a risk). | ||
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geokilla
Canada8255 Posts
On February 18 2022 06:20 Waxangel wrote: Yeah, the league of legends circuit is being hit HARD. But mind you, they live together in team-houses and in generally more populated environments. Hopefully, if pros are being cautious, they should be able to self-quarantine and minimize their risk ahead of travel (though obv the airport/plane portion of travel itself is a risk). I don't think it'll go as smoothly as youthink. Just look at CS:GO. Hey guys, Please see our COVID19 processes and protocols regarding IEM Katowice article which we released before the tournament. For clarification on the topic of ropz vs Boombl4 COVID19 case. Every player is required to provide a negative PCR test before arriving in the player hotel. Ropz tested positive on the pre-arrival PCR test, whilst boombl4 tested negative which meant he could enter the ESL group. All players and staff whilst on site with us have the right to request additional testing should they have concerns or feel unwell. Boombl4 requested this, and the result came back positive. As he is already within the ESL group, he is now isolated in a single room which is connected to our tournament set up meaning the player can continue to play in the tournament. How is this fair? Ropz is unable to play while Boombl4 is. What if we had players like Maru or Rogue testing positive prior to boarding the plane but then HeroMarine is positive only after he arrives at IEM. Maru and Rogue are automatically disqualified while HeroMarine isn't, assuming they all recover before Katowice starts. My understanding is if you are COVID positive, you'll test positive on PCR for a long time after: Because the PCR test is so sensitive, it can detect very small amounts of virus material. This means that the test can continue to detect fragments of SARS-CoV-2 virus even after you’ve recovered from COVID-19 and are no longer contagious. So you may continue to test positive if you've had COVID-19 in the distant past, even though you can’t spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus to others. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
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Goma
Germany15 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33712 Posts
On February 18 2022 06:38 geokilla wrote: I don't think it'll go as smoothly as youthink. Just look at CS:GO. How is this fair? Ropz is unable to play while Boombl4 is. What if we had players like Maru or Rogue testing positive prior to boarding the plane but then HeroMarine is positive only after he arrives at IEM. Maru and Rogue are automatically disqualified while HeroMarine isn't, assuming they all recover before Katowice starts. My understanding is if you are COVID positive, you'll test positive on PCR for a long time after: Because the PCR test is so sensitive, it can detect very small amounts of virus material. This means that the test can continue to detect fragments of SARS-CoV-2 virus even after you’ve recovered from COVID-19 and are no longer contagious. So you may continue to test positive if you've had COVID-19 in the distant past, even though you can’t spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus to others. By my reading of the CSGO rules, IEM only allowed this exception in CSGO for play-in and group stage. For the playoffs, all positive players cannot play. From my reading of the SC2 rules, any positive test is a DQ, regardless of timing (check the CSGO page vs the SC2 page). Yes, this raises another series of questions. | ||
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Also agree that if they get sick during the competition, especially during playoffs, that they should be able to play from their hotel room or from a special Covid room or something. Why can't ESL set up the latter? | ||
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tigera6
3516 Posts
Hopefully I am not jinxing it, but I am really concerned right now. | ||
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Tommy131313
Germany157 Posts
On February 18 2022 11:30 tigera6 wrote: ... The whole positive testing and 7-days isolation is great at the beginning when there were not a lot of vaccination option. Now with most of the population vaccinated, this becomes obsolete and redundant, especially when they can create a semi-bubble for the players, let them stay away from the crowd and other personnel during the event, its totally do-able if you put effort into it. ... Maybe you don't know it: Poland has an alarmingly low vaccination rate. Just little more than 50% of the population is fully vaccinated. Additionally Poland has overcrowded hospitals and ICUs. So an offline tourney in Kattowice is quite questionable for itself. It might have been a lot wiser to do it elsewhere - bit now it is as it is, even if DQing is necessary to obey to polish rules for sports events. | ||
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