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Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain886 Posts
February 25 2022 16:53 GMT
#841
Imagine only Maru or only Serral would be in the RO12. And second-liners as Creator or Hurricane would be taking the spots of Dark, Rogue, Cure or Clem. There would be riots all over TL and Reddit.
But as it is Protoss, it is their fault. If you select Protoss as race it is because you secretly will be bad when it matters.
But of course, as Lambo insists, nerf carriers "and start from there".
This is killing the joy of SC2 for me... I need someone to cheer for, or I just prefer watching other things, like it sadly will happen this weekend.
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4141 Posts
February 25 2022 16:53 GMT
#842
its highly unlikely to have a protoss even in the round of 8 imo xD
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
479 Posts
February 25 2022 17:44 GMT
#843
But so far one toss have advanced, this is a huge success!
TheCheapSkate
Profile Joined August 2011
Slovenia317 Posts
February 25 2022 19:42 GMT
#844
Looking like the playoffs are gonna be another zvz fest so exciting!
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 26 2022 12:28 GMT
#845
Looking like a firm "no," lol
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
327 Posts
February 26 2022 13:18 GMT
#846
Hey protoss took a full map in the ro12!
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 26 2022 13:20 GMT
#847
On February 26 2022 22:18 angry_maia wrote:
Hey protoss took a full map in the ro12!


Sounds like Protoss could use a few nerfs tbh
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
February 26 2022 13:30 GMT
#848
Protoss does look pretty pathetic against Zerg. At this point Protoss can be even on army supply with Zerg and somehow still trade badly.

Probably time for Queens to get yet another nerf, they just seem way too hardy and versatile for costing only minerals. The amount of game ending pressure that they can put onto a Protoss player so early on just seems a bit broken.

Thankfully I think the Queen is so versatile and strong that even with a nerf it would probably still be a good unit and there is probably a host of good ways to nerf the unit while still keeping it viable.

-Transfuse nerf
-Armored or light tag added
-Damage or HP nerf

Not sure, but something probably needs to be done via a patch at this point, Protoss just looking anemic. No bite in their ground play anymore and Stargate play looks more or less completely figured out at this point, not sure a meta shift is going to be too helpful.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
February 26 2022 13:31 GMT
#849
The saddest thing is that a large portion of the SC2 community still think Protoss needs to be nerfed due to their personal ladder experience even after abysmal results like this.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 26 2022 13:38 GMT
#850
On February 26 2022 22:31 JJH777 wrote:
The saddest thing is that a large portion of the SC2 community still think Protoss needs to be nerfed due to their personal ladder experience even after abysmal results like this.


I dunno man Maru is the ultimate pinnacle of SC2 and Zoun beat him in a Bo3, Im pretty certain that means Protoss is overpowered.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 26 2022 13:41 GMT
#851
The only hopes are a patch after Katowice and a better set of maps.
DrunkenJedi
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany175 Posts
February 26 2022 14:26 GMT
#852
IEM Katowice just says NO.
"Don't worry, I use Special Tactics this time, no problem."
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12417 Posts
February 26 2022 16:54 GMT
#853
Who could have predicted this?

(It's me, I could have predicted this :D)
No will to live, no wish to die
CaRn1FeX
Profile Joined January 2003
Germany203 Posts
February 26 2022 20:37 GMT
#854
Is there any hint that a balance patch is indeed considered? My understanding was that Blizzard does not patch SC2 any more
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
479 Posts
February 26 2022 20:40 GMT
#855
0 toss in ro8. And now Trap and Zest is gone.
Looks good! sc2 is now T and Z.
Elantris
Profile Joined June 2018
66 Posts
February 26 2022 21:10 GMT
#856
On February 27 2022 05:37 CaRn1FeX wrote:
Is there any hint that a balance patch is indeed considered? My understanding was that Blizzard does not patch SC2 any more


You think you want patch now but as a protoss fan you actually don't since 100% patch would have just a couple of nerfs for toss because it would be based on a results and meta from first half of 2021 or even late 2020.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 26 2022 21:59 GMT
#857
Ironic that eventually there will be no more Pro Toss.

Get it? Pro Toss? Protoss? Me neither
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Phattyasmo
Profile Joined October 2011
United States69 Posts
February 26 2022 22:11 GMT
#858
Lol; it's one tournament. Yeah, Zest and Trap lost; boohoo. Understand that Zest is going into military, as is Parting and maybe another one or two are leaving as well or something, Idk. Maybe wait and see some other major tourney results before complaining. Keep in mind, there has been a toss in the finals for the last 3 times in a row...
CaRn1FeX
Profile Joined January 2003
Germany203 Posts
February 26 2022 22:19 GMT
#859
On February 27 2022 07:11 Phattyasmo wrote:
Lol; it's one tournament. Yeah, Zest and Trap lost; boohoo. Understand that Zest is going into military, as is Parting and maybe another one or two are leaving as well or something, Idk. Maybe wait and see some other major tourney results before complaining. Keep in mind, there has been a toss in the finals for the last 3 times in a row...


Remember that single super tournament after that toss got nerfed into ground because of one good tourney?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 26 2022 22:34 GMT
#860
On February 27 2022 07:11 Phattyasmo wrote:
Lol; it's one tournament. Yeah, Zest and Trap lost; boohoo. Understand that Zest is going into military, as is Parting and maybe another one or two are leaving as well or something, Idk. Maybe wait and see some other major tourney results before complaining. Keep in mind, there has been a toss in the finals for the last 3 times in a row...


It's four months of absymal results.
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